Hi! I think you can build brltty for bsd. But i am not sure. And that requiers a braille display. /A > 16 mars 2017 kl. 21:57 skrev Eric Oyen <[email protected]>: > > and now we see the crux of the issue. its called a lack of proper attention > to the problem. > > this is the biggest holdup to a lot of us blind folks, lack of coherent > information. It's most telling in the local activities and events arena, but > it shows up in technology as well. SOunds like it's time to spread the news > on FB, swarm, snap chat, twitter, and any other social media outlet we can > find. I might even point this article at Theo De Raadt of OpenBSD and see if > he will actually consider it.. It would be nice to have a little support from > some of the big names behind alternative Operating systems (like the BSD > ecology or the Linux ecology). In fact, I will cc this missive to them. I > doubt it will get any sort of useful response, but there is no harm in trying. > > btw, I was involved in trying to get a screen reader working in OpenBSD. It > was speakeasy and it failed rather ignominiously. Since I am not a coder, I > didn't exactly have the tools required to properly port it. what I ended up > with only partially worked. Getting any help from the OpenBSD development > corps was a lost cause right from the outset. Here it is over 4 years later > and I have one since given up on ever getting some help from them. Perhaps > it's time that a bunch of us bug Theo directly. if he gets enough emails on > the subject, he might reconsider his position. His developer email is Theo de > Raadt <[email protected]> > > anyway, it also sounds like we need to get everyone else in the community of > the blind on board with this. that means hitting up the various lighthouse > organizations, the NFB, the ACB, and the AFB as well as the world blind > union. SInce I am also on a number of technology lists dedicated to blind > users and technology (including almost all of the mac lists for the blind), > it shouldn't be that hard to get this information out. perhaps partnering up > with a few of the bigger blindness blogs wouldn't hurt either. > > -eric > from the central office of the Technomage Guild, access technology division 6. > > On Mar 16, 2017, at 8:39 AM, John G Heim wrote: > >> It's funny you should say it's long overdue for there to be a blindness >> related non-profit. I was part of a group who created exactly that several >> years ago. After much discussion, we called ourselves The International >> Association Of Visually Impaired Technologists or IAVIT. See www.iavit.org. >> >> After creating the non-profit, the real problem has been lack of interest in >> using it's resources. We are incorporated as a 501c3 in the USA so we can >> legally accept donations. We have a lawyer, a bank account, a paypal account >> at the non-profit rates, donated server space, etc. The entire >> infrastructure is there. We're just waiting for people to say, "Hey, I could >> use this or that." >> >> On 03/16/2017 07:53 AM, Tony Baechler wrote: >>> Be warned that my comments are most likely unpopular and controversial. >>> See below. I'm not really interested in discussing this further, so >>> don't expect a response. >>> >>> On 3/15/2017 3:30 AM, Kyle wrote: >>>> Sonar merges with the Vinux Project. >>> >>> >>> Well, this is indeed unfortunate. First, it was never said what "common >>> goals" were discussed. Granted I don't closely follow either project, >>> but I'm disappointed and surprised to see Vinux heading towards a Fedora >>> base. Red Hat has stated many, even numerous times, both in their >>> inaction and in published docs on their sites, that they have no or very >>> little interest in core accessibility. Yes, I realize this list is >>> hosted by Red Hat, but honestly, anyone can host a mailing list >>> nowadays, so to me, that doesn't count. Look at groups.io, Yahoo Groups, >>> etc. Unlike Debian, Ubuntu and Slackware, to the best of my knowledge, >>> Fedora has never made their installer accessible out of the box. I >>> understand that now their installer talks with Orca, but I think that's >>> more by accident than anything. Fedora does claim to have accessibility >>> with the Gnome desktop though, but I don't think one can easily use >>> Speakup and a text console to do the install. I could very well be wrong >>> on this as I quit following Fedora years ago for the above reasons. >>> There were projects like Speakup Modified (now dead I think), but they >>> were community projects with no support from Fedora developers. >>> Presumably, since Sonar is being folded in, they will use a distro other >>> than Fedora. In the long term, I think Fedora would be a very bad idea >>> for many reasons which I won't go into here. >>> >>> I think it's a great idea for there to be an a11y, or even >>> blindness-specific nonprofit to be formed. I would even say it's very >>> long overdue. If Apache, Mozilla, the Linux kernel and many others can >>> do it, there is no reason why the blind community can't. I would even >>> suggest moving this and other Linux lists to that organization. Yes, I >>> realize that nonprofit and not-for-profit are different. I would push to >>> make it a U.S based nonprofit. Start a Kickstarter or other fundraising >>> compaign. I would donate to it. As much as Facebook doesn't support >>> accessibility and generally is against the open source spirit, a page on >>> there, Twitter, Tumblr, etc would be a very good idea. There needs to be >>> a strong publicity team to write articles for both the blindness >>> magazines (ACB Braille Forum, etc) and the mainstream Linux magazines >>> like LWN. Amazingly, there has been almost no mention of Speakup in the >>> mainstream Linux community at all. I think a fair number of companies >>> and developers don't take us seriously because they don't know we exist >>> and that blind people not only can and do use computers but in fact can >>> and do use Linux on a regular basis. I just got an email from someone >>> asking if I'm blind, how do I read and write? There is still a huge >>> amount of ignorance out there. I realize this isn't strictly a Linux >>> accessibility issue, but what leads to the next great breakthrough might >>> be started by a developer seeing that blind people want an accessible >>> desktop like everyone else. With an actual organization, KDE could be >>> pushed for accessibility and developers from the organization could >>> help. In other words, not only does it need to be a nonprofit a11y >>> organization who works with other developers and develops software, but >>> it also needs to be an advocacy and lobbyist group to demand big and >>> small companies make their software accessible. >>> >>> However, I see a huge flaw in the merger. I think we're going down the >>> same path as Windows screen readers. I'm not saying that Vinux would go >>> commercial. What I'm saying is I fear they would end up like a big >>> company who shall remain nameless. There are other screen readers out >>> there such as NVDA, but very few people take them seriously because this >>> big company has almost a monopoly. Granted, Linux is still far from >>> having a huge share of the market, but if it should reach the 90% or >>> even 50% point some day, it would be very unfortunate for rehab agencies >>> and employers to force people to use Vinux because that's the only >>> specialized distro for the blind. What would be much better is to work >>> with the mainstream distros like Debian and Ubuntu to fix accessibility >>> problems. Ubuntu is the most popular distro on the desktop. While >>> accessibility is good, it has problems. When 16.04 came out, Orca was >>> broken. I believe there are only a small number (no more than a few) >>> people on the accessibility team. Debian could also desperately use >>> help. It would look much better for the blind community if an >>> organization donated their time and talents to auditing the packages in >>> Debian and either fixing those with accessibility bugs which could >>> easily be fixed or working with the upstream developers, providing >>> patches and consulting with them to make their packages more accessible. >>> To me, it seems like a huge waste of time to put a ton of energy into >>> beating Fedora, Ubuntu or whatever distro into submission and slapping a >>> "Vinux" or "Sonar" label on it when that same upstream distro with very >>> few tweaks could be made that way out of the box. If you absolutely must >>> modify packages, desktop settings, etc from the upstream defaults, such >>> as for low vision users, create a Vinux repository instead or work with >>> the Ubuntu community to create an official Ubuntu flavor called Ubuntu >>> VI or something. There is already a Ubuntu MATE flavor, so why not work >>> with them directly? While we're at it, what about Orca? I see only one >>> main paid developer working on it. I'm sure she could use some help, not >>> to mention thorough testing. Getting back to the Windows screen readers, >>> I fear that blind people will not be given the choice of what distro >>> they want and will be locked out of mainstream use because there is >>> primarily one Vinux to rule them all. >>> >>> In conclusion, I will continue not recommending any specialized distro >>> to my clients and other people. I think they are almost always a >>> mistake. As we have seen yet again, it does lead to fragmentation and >>> generally bad luck for all concerned. I couldn't get any of them (Sonar, >>> Vinux or Talking Arch) to work reliably on my 2009 machine which runs XP >>> great and has a very old, well-supported standard sound card. I had to >>> invent my own live / rescue CD because there wasn't anything reliable. >>> Hopefully the official Debian rescue CD will have reliable speech soon. >>> Something like a Vinux rescue CD would be a great idea, but not a live >>> system with an unreliable graphical desktop, horrible speech (ESpeak) >>> and an unreliable infrastructure which crashes for no obvious reason >>> while the mainstream Debian and Ubuntu distros don't. All of that said, >>> I wish both teams the best of luck and I guess we'll see what happens. I >>> would only add that if you haven't taken the plunge and actually tried >>> Linux, give Ubuntu MATE a try. It's fast, works well and can be >>> installed independently by the blind in about an hour. It does, >>> unfortunately, still use ESpeak. Getting a commercial company to release >>> a decent synth as open source would be a great thing for a nonprofit to >>> do, even if it required buying the rights. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blinux-list mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blinux-list mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > [email protected] > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
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