Hi Jonathan,
> On Jun 5, 2018, at 17:10, Jonathan Foulkes <j...@jonathanfoulkes.com> wrote: > > Jonathan, in the past the recommendation was for NOECN on egress if capacity > <4Mbps. Is that still the case in light of this? > > Thanks, > > Jonathan Foulkes > >> On Jun 4, 2018, at 5:36 PM, Jonathan Morton <chromati...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On 4 Jun, 2018, at 9:22 pm, Jonas Mårtensson <martensson.jo...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Speaking about systemd defaults, they just enabled ecn for outgoing >>> connections: >> >> That is also good news. With Apple *and* Ubuntu using it by default, we >> should finally get critical mass of ECN traffic and any remaining blackholes >> fixed, making it easy for everyone else to justify turning it on as well. The rationale for that decision still is valid, at low bandwidth every opportunity to send a packet matters and every packet being transferred will increase the queued packets delay by its serialization delay. The question IMHO is more is 4 Mbps a reasonable threshold to disable ECN or not. Here are the serialization delays for a few selected bandwidths: 1000*(1538*8)/(500*1000) = 24.61 ms 1000*(1538*8)/(1000*1000) = 12.30 ms 1000*(1538*8)/(2000*1000) = 6.15 ms 1000*(1538*8)/(4000*1000) = 3.08 ms 1000*(1538*8)/(8000*1000) = 1.54 ms 1000*(1538*8)/(10000*1000) = 1.23 ms 1000*(1538*8)/(12000*1000) = 1.03 ms Personally, I guess I sort of agree with the <= 4Mbps threshold, maybe 2Mbps, but at <=1Mbps the serialization delay gets painful. In sqm-scripts we currently unconditionally default to egress(ECN) off, which might be to pessimistic about the usual egress bandwidths. Best Regards >> >> - Jonathan Morton >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bloat mailing list >> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat _______________________________________________ Bloat mailing list Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat