Here is an old (2014) post on Stockholm to my class "textbook":
https://cis471.blogspot.com/2014/06/stockholm-19-years-of-municipal.html
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Stockholm: 19 years of municipal broadband success [1]
The Stokab report should be required reading for all local government
officials. Stockholm is one of the top Internet cities in the worl...
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From: Starlink <[email protected]> on behalf of
Sebastian Moeller via Starlink <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2023 2:11 PM
To: David Lang <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: [Starlink] [Bloat] On fiber as critical infrastructure
w/Comcast chat
Hi David,
On Mar 26, 2023, at 22:57, David Lang <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Mar 2023, Sebastian Moeller via Bloat wrote:
The point of the thread is that we still do not treat digital
communications infrastructure as life support critical.
Well, let's keep things in perspective, unlike power, water
(fresh and waste), and often gas, communications infrastructure is
mostly not critical yet. But I agree that we are clearly on a path in
that direction, so it is time to look at that from a different
perspective.
Personally, I am a big fan of putting the access network into
communal hands, as these guys already do a decent job with other
critical infrastructure (see list above, plus roads) and I see a PtP
fiber access network terminating in some CO-like locations a viable
way to allow ISPs to compete in the internet service field all the
while using the communally build access network for a few. IIRC this
is how Amsterdam organized its FTTH roll-out. Just as POTS wiring has
beed essentially unchanged for decades, I estimate that current fiber
access lines would also last for decades requiring no active component
changes in the field, making them candidates for communal management.
(With all my love for communal ownership and maintenance, these
typically are not very nimble and hence best when we talk about life
times of decades).
This is happening in some places (the town where I live is doing
such a rollout), but the incumbant ISPs are fighting this and in many
states have gotten laws created that prohibit towns from building such
systems.
A resistance that in the current system is understandable*...
btw, my point is not wanting to get rid of ISPs, I really just think
that the access network is more of a natural monopoly and if we want
actual ISP competition, the access network is the wrong place to
implement it... as it is unlikely that we will see multiple ISPs
running independent fibers to all/most dwelling units... There are two
ways I see to address this structural problem:
a) require ISPs to rent the access links to their competitors for
"reasonable" prices
b) as I proposed have some non-ISP entity build and maintain the
access network
None of these is terribly attractive to current ISPs, but we already
see how the economically more attractive PON approach throws a spanner
into a), on a PON the competitors might get bitstream access, but will
not be able to "light up" the fiber any way they see fit (as would be
possible in a PtP deployment, at least in theory). My subjective
preference is b) as I mentioned before, as I think that would offer a
level playing field for ISPs to compete doing what they do best, offer
internet access service while not pushing the cost of the access
network build-out to all-fiber onto the ISPs. This would allow a
fairer, less revenue driven approach to select which areas to convert
to FTTH first....
However this is pretty much orthogonal to Bob's idea, as I understand
it, as this subthread really is only about getting houses hooked up to
the internet and ignores his proposal how to do the in-house network
design in a future-proof way...
Regards
Sebastian
*) I am not saying such resistance is nice or the right thing, just
that I can see why it is happening.
David Lang
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