Hi Rich,
> On Oct 17, 2023, at 14:39, Rich Brown via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
> wrote:
>
> I stayed in an Airbnb rental last week. It was nicely appointed with a very
> gracious host who lived in the other half of the home. They had decent
> internet from xfinity - I was getting 20mbps/5mpbs.
>
> But.. they have bad bufferbloat. I was on a Zoom call and occasionally people
> would sound like Darth Vader. I busted out a ping test to 8.8.8.8 and sure
> enough, latency spiked from a nominal 10-20 msec to 2500 msec and
> occasionally over 4000 msec.
[SM] Maybe good to occasionally get a dose of the "common" internet
experience to not forget how much we can achieve and how many networks are
still feeling/behaving worse than they need to.
> I had to check out before I had a chance to mention it to the Airbnb host.
> And I'll probably leave it alone. But I'm still wondering - if I wanted to
> evangelize:
>
> 1. What would I say? I know I don't want to blurt out, "your network has
> bufferbloat". That sounds worse than the cooties :-) I imagine that I'd
> mumble something about the Zoom call occasionally sounding like Darth Vader,
> and that I'm a network professional and recognize the symptom, and that
> there's a technical fix for it. I'd probably pause to see if their eyes lit
> up ("Oh, that happens to us all the time...") before proceeding. And then...
[SM] I am terrible at such things, as I am not a people person, but I
think that this approach, casual conversation touching a few topics and see
whether it touches any pain points is a good one. No matter how bad the network
if the users do not notice it will be a hard sell, especially with "strangers".
What might help is to have a travel router prepared that can be plugged in via
ethernet (and after a quick visit to the sqm-config) and used on the spot to
demonstrate things (even though doing a video conference on the spot or
trusting strangers to add gear to your network both seem awkward).
> 2. What would I recommend? Obviously, inserting something with cake into the
> mix would help a lot. Even if they were willing to let me examine their
> entire network (Comcast router, Apple Airport in our Airbnb unit, other
> router?) I have no idea what kind of tar baby I would be touching. I don't
> want to become their network admin for the rest of time.
[SM] This is why maybe a demo unit would be helpful, but then we would
need something with commercial grade support to point them at? Maybe
evenroute's IQrouter (I like their approach, but I never tested it).
> I know Dave Täht recommends that you help your local coffee shop debloat
> their network. But that's a place that you develop a personal relationship
> and you visit often enough to answer questions during a shake-down period.
> And they'll probably "let you in the back" to see what's there.
>
> Anyone have good ideas about handling this? Or should I give it up?Thanks!
[SM] Again, I do not, I even failed (yet, still working on it) to
convince my dad that his network could be improved.... (In his defense he
mostly operates well below capacity and at 50% utilization there simply is no
noticeable bufferbloat, remedies or no remedies ;) )
Regards
Sebastian
P.S.: In theory having a test bed that could e tested directly over the
internet could be convincing, if such a thing would not at the same time make
all alarm bells ring about trusting such a test as unbiased and objective.
>
> Rich
>
>
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