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Today's topics: * reservations - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/c782d6a1ddd8eaaa * reservation - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/a480455fa1891a26 * 1 new message in 1 topic - digest - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/69f766495e132969 * Information in Hindi - 2 messages, 2 authors http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/16a12474ed5a5cbf * head of institute - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/6466d29a27c1e8e8 ============================================================================== TOPIC: reservations http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/c782d6a1ddd8eaaa ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Tues, Jan 3 2006 4:50 pm From: Harsha no bets! I'm not advocating reservations. now people are coming out loud and say they want reservations based on economic/financial background. it is much more detrimental than doing away with caste based system. the best reservation system or void of it should solely be based on meritocracy. this says those who are hardworking and capable should get a chance irrespective of their caste or financial background, which is real future investment that can reap huge benefits for the system in long run. (you know what is happening now, a doctor wants his children to become doctors, and they do become for the mere fact that they can afford, often i come across instances where capable reserved candidates fail to make it owing to their poor financial background, reservations didn't help them). here i must emphasize that only 50% of total seats are reserved, not more than that, some skew these figures with ladies reservations which applies equally in any bracket. ( that means 1/3 across all categories are reserved for ladies). i don't like to argue how politics/vote banks are linked to reservations, but if we can treat reservations itself as a separate class, we can derive more meaningful debate. I'm wondering how different the current system if the reservation is provided to unreserved class (OC: other castes) to the extent of their total population, say 20-25%. in this case, i fear I'll be out of race and so most of us. or as the case may be, what happens if no reservations are provided, my belief is that we will be heading to civil war because of social imbalance in the system. this somehow soothes the masses and keeps them in good humor. I have not paid much attention to private sector reservations till date as I felt a lot of resistance from the sector unless a legislation is passed which is highly likely now. at the first place, we have to measure the competence of reserved category in schools/public sectors to see where they stand with respect to open category. I've to study it's implications before making a comment further. but whether we like it or not, reservations are going to be there. ( I usually tend to see any problem from economics perspective, many times my convictions proved wrong in pure economics sense). Harsha Dear harsha, It is nice to see that you have done some research work while putting forward your views, as you say 54% of Indian population is OBC; this itself gives a clear picture what reservation is all about. Mondal commission submitted its report around 1971, till 1989 reservation was provided to those people who were residing in remote undeveloped area (SC and ST's)and the % was fair enough, implementation of mandal commissions report in 1989 was done only for vote, no political party in India is at all interested in uplifting the backward class, their only goal is to reserve their vote, you will also be surprised to know that in UP Mayawati introduced a new class "most backward class", 40 yrs after independence OBC was introduced 55 yrs after independence most backward class was introduced. Any guess why are we moving backwards? Reservation is nothing but a means to divide Indian society on the basis of class, so that there cannot be development and people in power remain in power, now government is also introducing reservation in private sector and it will be introduced in 9th scheduled so that it is immune legally, even though introduction of reservation in private sector will be a gross violation of section 19(i)(g) of the constitution. Pls understand this is not for upliftment of society but be keep them divided on some ground or other. 54% population is large enough to get any party in power. This new concept of reservation in private sector is also aimed at providing a break at the entrepreneur growth in India, it will simply mean that you cannot start your own organization till 50% of your friends do not belong to a certain cast. If 6 of you want to start a company then at least 1 should be OBC 1 SC and 1 ST. otherwise if this bill is also passed, you just cannot register your company. P.S: I will take my words back if proven wrong. (Which is not possible.try it ;) ) Regards Shashwat Pandey http://www.geocities.com/sha211_211 ============================================================================== TOPIC: reservation http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/a480455fa1891a26 ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Tues, Jan 3 2006 1:23 pm From: "Sidharth Shyamsukha" I fully agree with Shashwat. If at all any kind of reservations (actually not reservation) needs to me made, it should be for Economically backward people. I dont mean reservation in terms of Reserving seats, actully their seats should have a concesional fee. Instead of lowering the cost of application forms for ST/SC, rates should be less for poor peopple. ============================================================================== TOPIC: 1 new message in 1 topic - digest http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/69f766495e132969 ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Tues, Jan 3 2006 7:22 pm From: "abhay" i have one view on this topic. person who are given reservation in education should not be given rservation in jobs, as they are also getting the same quality of education. only person who donot get reservation in education should be given reservation in jobs. why i think this is that we Indians have a bad quality, untill we are not forced to do something for survival we do not do it. e.g before liberalisation we did not excel in anything but after 1991, we were forced to excel to compete with the whole world, you can see the tremendous success after that. ============================================================================== TOPIC: Information in Hindi http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/16a12474ed5a5cbf ============================================================================== == 1 of 2 == Date: Wed, Jan 4 2006 6:42 am From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Rajneesh.. Please let me know if u are using a software that can write half letters in hindi properly... and yes i agree that we need to have a hindi version of our website.. == 2 of 2 == Date: Wed, Jan 4 2006 12:40 pm From: Vinay Khaitan Dear People, Yes, I accept that Information of website must be also in hindi and at least one south Indian language. But that is not a priority currently. One more thing, to write hindi(in unicode), you dont need any software either in Windows or linux. ????? ?????? ?? enable ???? ?? ????? ?? ? On 04/01/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Dear Rajneesh.. > > Please let me know if u are using a software that can write half > letters in hindi properly... and yes i agree that we need to have a > hindi version of our website.. > > ============================================================================== TOPIC: head of institute http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/6466d29a27c1e8e8 ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Wed, Jan 4 2006 7:59 am From: anusheel bhai hi i want all the members to discuss that if a politician, having no knowledge about professional field should be made head of institutes like NITs etc? Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger.yahoo.com ============================================================================== You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BM_discussion" group. 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