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Today's topics: * reservations - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/c782d6a1ddd8eaaa * Reservation - 2 messages, 2 authors http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/385ccd7f9c2b3c6 * File - Gujarat Elections - Final List of Criminals.doc - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/ca74f0f877f6cd76 * Inspirational Sayings By Swami Vivekananda - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/9e5ece77e0e6c978 ============================================================================== TOPIC: reservations http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/c782d6a1ddd8eaaa ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Wed, Jan 4 2006 11:15 am From: "Sidharth Shyamsukha" Dear Harsha, I would like to explain how reservations are linked with politics. First a discimination is created, when people become more concerned about there caste, politicians will offer them reservations for votes, also would ecourage people to vote for people of their own caste. As the original purpose of caste system, division of labour is no more needed. The concept itself can be scraped. ============================================================================== TOPIC: Reservation http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/385ccd7f9c2b3c6 ============================================================================== == 1 of 2 == Date: Wed, Jan 4 2006 3:34 am From: shashwat pandey Dear Harsh The Point you are stressing is same as what i was saying, people don't want reservation, those people who have confidence in themselves don't want to be discriminated on the basis of cast, what happens is even if a deserving candidate from OBC or SC qualifies say civil services credit in society is not given to his hard work but to his cast (OOOOKK he is from reserved category!! ). moreover putting non-competent people in demanding position makes them loose whatever confidence they have, i was in GTER for some work and i sow one research scholar struggling hard, they are developing engine (called Kavari) for LCA (Light combat Aircraft) since last 25 yrs but till now even design is not ready, problem is same here most of the people in R&D did not had the competence level required to complete the task hence it is pending, again since HOD belongs to a certain cast he preferred people from his community which resulted > dev null. This is why I suggest that if there is any need for reservation at all, it should be given on the basis of domicile(passing +2), in this manner, under-developed areas will also be having successful people, who in turn will help in overall development of India, no state in India will be left unrepresented in developed India map. Regards Regards Shashwat Pandey http://www.geocities.com/sha211_211 __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com == 2 of 2 == Date: Wed, Jan 4 2006 1:41 pm From: "BharatMaata" Hi Harsha! Reservations are important to clear out the social and economic imbalances in a society. India needs to move away from agroeconomy to industrial society. This cannot happen unless upper castes(management communities) are forced to invest in education and private enterpreneurship like factories. So, when Govt. squeezes out jobs and brings out the cheap labour from farming, upper castes move out of villages into towns and thus the economy starts rolling in a new direction! This has happened in USA during its civil war. It happened in Russia in 1917. England and France long before that during their revolutions. For centuries, upper castes enjoyed the fruits of caste system and now they cannot enjoy it due to reservations and hence all the whining. But either it is upper caste men or lower castemen, in today's India, we need hardwork and aggression. Jai Hind!! Madhu Rayala ============================================================================== TOPIC: File - Gujarat Elections - Final List of Criminals.doc http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/ca74f0f877f6cd76 ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Wed, Jan 4 2006 10:54 pm From: shashwat pandey Dear Members The facts presented in the document are not surprising any more, this is a fact that we know and have adjusted ourself to live with it, I think there is plenty of space for a new political party to rise in India which can free its citizens from grip of criminals like the one mentioned in the doc. though this report is based only for Gujarat it is not required to mention that number rises drastically in states like UP, Bihar, MP etc mainly covering Hindi Hartland, developed states like Maharashtra, Karnataka etc are comparatively less criminalized though their corruption level are at par with national standered. A serious discussion is needed from Indian citizens about means to get rid of this kind of politics wherein election's can only be won either based on cast or muscle power, we need some suggestion about ways to free India (once again) and few dedicated people who can implement the agreed ideas. --- indianthinkers Moderator <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > File : Gujarat Elections - Final List of > Criminals.doc > Description : The Criminal Talents of Our 'Leads' > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Regards Shashwat Pandey http://www.geocities.com/sha211_211 __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ============================================================================== TOPIC: Inspirational Sayings By Swami Vivekananda http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/9e5ece77e0e6c978 ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Thurs, Jan 5 2006 8:37 am From: amit gers They alone live who live for others, the rest are more dead than alive. Whatever you think, that you will be. If you think yourself weak, weak you will be, if you think yourself strong, strong you will be. Faith in God, Faith and Faith in ourselves, this is the secret of greatness. How can we see eveil unless it is in us? Only those who want nothing are masters of Nature. You cannot believe in God, untill you belive in yourself. Everything can be sacrificed for truth, but truth cannot be sacrified for anything. Seek the science of the maker, and not that of the made. Work on with the intrepidity of a lion, but at the same time, with tenderness of love. Impure imagination is as bad as impure action. Truth must have no compromise. Thirst for name and fame is the worst filth. There is nothing holier in the world than to keep good company. What we want is neither happiness nor misery; If the mind is pleased with praise, it will be displease with blame. To work you have the right, but not to the result. The greatest sin is to think yourself weak. Dare to come to Truth even through hell. What we call nature, fate, is simply God's Will. Choose the highest ideal and live your life up to that. The whole ocean is present at the back of each wave. Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger.yahoo.com ============================================================================== You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BM_discussion" group. 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