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Today's topics: * Discussion in Hindi - 2 messages, 2 authors http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/8216909c09309588 * Discussion on Naxalisam and its impact. - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/a044708275fc4bc8 * China juggles the urban and rural divide. - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/fe356b6788a824ce * Essential Tips for a Happy and Healthy India. - 2 messages, 2 authors http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/9879a2cf269a5184 * Climate scientists issue dire warning. - 2 messages, 2 authors http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/c86a561097e0892f * परिचय - 7 messages, 4 authors http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/590ade4d0b120632 ============================================================================== TOPIC: Discussion in Hindi http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/8216909c09309588 ============================================================================== == 1 of 2 == Date: Sat, Mar 4 2006 9:02 am From: "रजनीश मंगला" अंकुर साहब। आप ठीक कहते हैं। हम चर्चा के निचोड़ को हिन्दी में अनुवाद कर सकते हैं। मैं खुद अभी इस काबिल नहीं हूं क्योंकि मेरी भाषा पे पकड़ इतनी अच्छी नहीं है। लेकिन ये काम होना तो चाहिए। अगर आपके पास और सुझाव हों तो बताएं। आप अपने जवाब अंग्रेज़ी में दे सकते हैं। ज़रूरी नहीं कि हिन्दी का जवाब हिन्दी में ही देना है। == 2 of 2 == Date: Sat, Mar 4 2006 8:18 pm From: "Sivabalan Pandian" Hi Rajneesh, I have a request. How did you manage to write the below in hindi. I would greatly appreciate if there is similar software for tamil (my mother tongue) and other regional language. Just tat it helps to reach more people is a more attractive fashion. Hope to hear from you. Thanks in anticipation. Rgds, Sivabalan S. On 3/4/06, रजनीश मंगला <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > अंकुर साहब। आप ठीक कहते > हैं। हम चर्चा के निचोड़ को > हिन्दी में अनुवाद कर सकते > हैं। मैं खुद अभी इस काबिल > नहीं हूं क्योंकि मेरी भाषा > पे पकड़ इतनी अच्छी नहीं है। > लेकिन ये काम होना तो चाहिए। > अगर आपके पास और सुझाव हों > तो बताएं। आप अपने जवाब > अंग्रेज़ी में दे सकते हैं। > ज़रूरी नहीं कि हिन्दी का > जवाब हिन्दी में ही देना है। > > > -- Smile; Siva ############################# ***** "We have only one passion. - The rise of a Great Nation" ***** ############################# ============================================================================== TOPIC: Discussion on Naxalisam and its impact. http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/a044708275fc4bc8 ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Sat, Mar 4 2006 9:26 am From: "रजनीश मंगला" भानू प्रकाश जी, आपकी अंग्रेज़ी की कुछ ग़लतियों के कारण ठीक तरह से समझ नहीं आ रहा कि आप क्या कहना चाह रहे हैं। इस वाक्य का क्या मतलब है 'the poor who does not have any meanns of making good the loss due to exploitation'? दू्सरी बात ये कि इस समस्या से निबटा कैसे जा सकता है? ============================================================================== TOPIC: China juggles the urban and rural divide. http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/fe356b6788a824ce ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Sat, Mar 4 2006 9:50 am From: "रजनीश मंगला" चैटर्जी साहब, ख़बर को ज्यों का त्यों पोस्ट करने का क्या फ़ायदा? ख़बर तो हम आपके दिए हुए लिंक पर भी पढ़ सकते हैं। हमें चाहिए आपके तथा इस ग्रुप के अन्य सदस्यों के इस बारे में विचार? आप देख रहे हैं कि इस पोस्ट पर अभी तक कोई जवाब नहीं है। आईंदा, क्रुपया सिर्फ़ लिंक दिया करें तथा अपने कुछ विचार रखा करें तो बेहतर है। ============================================================================== TOPIC: Essential Tips for a Happy and Healthy India. http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/9879a2cf269a5184 ============================================================================== == 1 of 2 == Date: Sat, Mar 4 2006 9:57 am From: "रजनीश मंगला" चैटर्जी साहब, क्या आप इस 'holistic healing' के बारे में थोड़ा और प्रकाश डाल सकते हैं? और आपने सारे विषय एक ही पोस्ट में डाल दिए जिन पर सोचना तो क्या पढना भी मुश्किल है। क्रुपया एक एक करके सारे विषय सामने लाएं तथा अन्य सदस्यों के साथ विचार विमर्ष करें। मुझे उम्मीद है कि मेरी हिन्दी में पोस्ट डालने पर किसी को आपत्ती नहीं होगी। आप अपने जवाब अंग्रेज़ी में दे सकते हैं। == 2 of 2 == Date: Sat, Mar 4 2006 10:57 pm From: "Vikas Shaurya" Namaskar Mangla ji, I am Vikas Shaurya basically from Bihar but currently pursuing my BTech from Vellore TN. Just now i saw that you asked about holistic healing from Mr. Chatterji. So I thought that why not to share my views too. Actually I have some ideas and experience in this area. I have done Spiritual Healing elimentry course and Reiki upto karuna reiki. The basic theory with a scientific view behind all these are that, as we know that the nature is made up of energy( Quantum physics ), so the people who know these can use that perticular energy for healing purpose. lots of things are there which people hardly believe untill they feel. you can ask me further regarding these. I think currently you are in Germany. so if you are in germany then i think there are lots of work going on in this area there too. Jai Hind, Vikas ============================================================================== TOPIC: Climate scientists issue dire warning. http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/c86a561097e0892f ============================================================================== == 1 of 2 == Date: Sat, Mar 4 2006 10:09 am From: "रजनीश मंगला" चैटर्जी साहब, मैं भारतोदय की मेल्ज़ धीरे धीरे पढ़ रहा हूं। इस लिए अभी तो मुझे नहीं पता कि आपकी Health Policy Draft of BM के लिए क्या recommendations रहीं हैं लेकिन इतना तो साफ़ है कि आप सिर्फ़ लिंक व्गैरह देकर छोड़ देते हैं। उनपर अपने ख्यालात पेश नहीं करते। ये कहां की डिस्कशन हुई? आपकी तरह इस समूह के अन्य सदस्य भी काबिल इन्सान हैं। इस समूह का उद्देश्य है चर्चा करके किसी नतीजे पर पहुंचना,न कि एक लिंक या खबर देकर उसे वहीं छोड़ देना। == 2 of 2 == Date: Sun, Mar 5 2006 1:31 am From: "Dr. N.S. REDDY" Dear Mr. Jagannath ! All our aim is to Uplift our nation. May be the routes and way of thinking is different. GOOD LUCK... with best regards nsreddy. On 3/2/06, Jagannath Chatterjee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear Dr Reddy, > > Namaskar. I was invited into the group to highlight matters of health and > environment so that the same could be incorporated in the health and > environment policy of BM, if found suitable. I have been getting regular > off-group feedback from the policy makers seeking clarifications on the > points raised by me. I understand that my recommendations are now a part of > the Health Policy Draft of BM. > > Here is the latest communique: > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > I fully agree with shri. Jagannath ji. On the behalf of Bharat Uday > Mission(http://bharatudaymission.org ), I am preparing a draft of health > care > policies. I have included all these points in the proposal. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > I know my views are a bit out of the ordinary. I seek a relook at the > present health and environment condition and advocate returning to time > tested natural/indigenous methods. These are not just my own views. ALL > activists, all over the world, are clamouring for this since a very long > time. However it is only now that the lacunae in the present systems have > become very obvious that we are at last being heard. > > I am surprised how, as the moderator of this group, you are in dark about > this. > > Regards, > Jagannath. > > > *"Dr. N.S. REDDY" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > Dear Mr. Jagannath, > > There is no doubt of your ability or your Intensions. My concern is How > can those things will be relevant in the group. We started here as > DISCUSSION Group. You posted 19 mails here. I hardly see any one discussing > on your topics. I am a metallurgist and materials scientist by profession, > if I post about the POSCO Venture in Orissa, it would not be interesting to > you and others. > > For Example, caste System in India. definitely it is easy to understand > and discuss to all the people. Your topics are not like that. > > Apart from all, you are posting all your messages in many groups, I > request you please post your specific mails directly to BM_discussions. > > Not only me, most of the people are not having enough knowledge to take > part in discussions of your Topics. > > with best wishes > nsreddy.... > > > > > "Our ideal is not the spirituality that withdraws from life but the > conquest of life by the power of the spirit." - Aurobindo. > > ------------------------------ > Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus > scanning<http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/virusall/*http://communications.yahoo.com/features.php?page=221>helps > detect nasty viruses! > > -- Dr. N. Subba Reddy POSTECH, Pohang, KOREA Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 82-54-279-5215 Join us and be a part of the next Indian Revloution led by youth! www.bharatudaymission.org ============================================================================== TOPIC: परिचय http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/590ade4d0b120632 ============================================================================== == 1 of 7 == Date: Sat, Mar 4 2006 10:19 am From: "रजनीश मंगला" मेरा नाम रजनीश मंगला है, 34 वर्षिय, अपने छोटे से परिवार के साथ, मकैनिकल इंजिनियर की हैसियत से पिछले पांच साल से जर्मनी में रह रहा हूं। भारत में मैं पंजाब से हूं। हालांकि मैं इस समूह का कुछ हफ़्तों से सदस्य हूं लेकिन समय की कमीं के कारण कोई भी पोस्ट पढ़ नहीं पा रहा था। अब मैं धीरे धीरे भारतोदय में अपना योगदान देना चाहता हूं। मेरी सिर्फ़ एक ही ख़्वाहिश है कि मुझे अपने ख़्याल हिन्दी में पेश करने की अनुमती मिले। अगर आप इससे सहमत नहीं हैं तो बताएं, मैं उसी वक्त ये समूह छोड़ दूंगा। धन्यवाद। आपका == 2 of 7 == Date: Sat, Mar 4 2006 4:35 pm From: satya Rajneesh Ji, There are lot of mistakes in the font... its difficult to read it... If possible also give a transalation of what you say... so that the ppl from south also can read it.... Thats bcause just how you wouldnt be able to read any south indian script.. the same way 'most' of the south indians will not be able to read devnagri script. So if u can take the pain of translating it... that would be their first step towards learning it... On 04/03/06, रजनीश मंगला <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > मेरा नाम रजनीश मंगला है, 34 > वर्षिय, अपने छोटे से परिवार > के साथ, मकैनिकल इंजिनियर की > हैसियत से पिछले पांच साल से > जर्मनी में रह रहा हूं। भारत > में मैं पंजाब से हूं। > > हालांकि मैं इस समूह का कुछ > हफ़्तों से सदस्य हूं लेकिन > समय की कमीं के कारण कोई भी > पोस्ट पढ़ नहीं पा रहा था। अब > मैं धीरे धीरे भारतोदय में > अपना योगदान देना चाहता > हूं। मेरी सिर्फ़ एक ही > ख़्वाहिश है कि मुझे अपने > ख़्याल हिन्दी में पेश करने > की अनुमती मिले। अगर आप इससे > सहमत नहीं हैं तो बताएं, मैं > उसी वक्त ये समूह छोड़ दूंगा। > > > धन्यवाद। > आपका > > > -- "|| bRaHmAiVa sAtYaM ||" == 3 of 7 == Date: Sat, Mar 4 2006 12:54 pm From: "रजनीश मंगला" सत्या जी आपके जवाब के लिए धन्यवाद। एक तो आप कह रहे हैं कि फ़ौंट में गड़बड़ है। ये आप बिना समझे कैसे कह सकते हैं? बाकि मैं चाहता हूं एकता के चलते हमें एक और बहुत महत्वपूर्ण काम करना चाहिए। वो है एक दूसरे की भाषा सीखना। चलिए आप मुझे तमिल, तेलगू, मलयालम और कन्नड़ सिखाईए, मैं आपको हिन्दी और पंजाबी सिखाता हूं। dear mr. satya, thanks for your mail. it wonders me how could you point out the mistakes in font without understanding it. I just introduced myself as 34 years old mechanical engineer from punjab living with a small family in germany for last five years. secondly i asked for the permission to post in hindi. if it is not granted, i will leave the group. but now i think i have to use blingual methd to post. in this post i raised the need for indians to learn each other's languages for the sake of national integration. which language do you speak? can you forward me some links to learn some basic language? i wish to contribute to bharatuday as much as i can. thanks rajneesh mangla www.rajneesh-mangla.de == 4 of 7 == Date: Sat, Mar 4 2006 6:50 pm From: satya Hey Rajneesh.... My mail was not meant to leave a bad taste....but extremely sorry if it did. and I no where mentioned I cudnt read Devnagri... I was simply elaborating on what u said regarding national integration... And this is what I was pointing to when I said some mistakes in the font के लिए , तमिल ,कि फ़ौंट , बिना...... I definitely want to see mails in Hindi as well as regional languages... for the better of our masses. To give more clarity I must state " Iam not against any language." And plz do not speak of leaving the group again... for theres a great need for ppl like you to lead the revolution that is BharathUday Mission... Truly ..Satya Jai Hind On 04/03/06, रजनीश मंगला <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > सत्या जी आपके जवाब के लिए > धन्यवाद। एक तो आप कह रहे > हैं कि फ़ौंट में गड़बड़ है। ये > आप बिना समझे कैसे कह सकते > हैं? बाकि मैं चाहता हूं > एकता के चलते हमें एक और > बहुत महत्वपूर्ण काम करना > चाहिए। वो है एक दूसरे की > भाषा सीखना। चलिए आप मुझे > तमिल, तेलगू, मलयालम और > कन्नड़ सिखाईए, मैं आपको > हिन्दी और पंजाबी सिखाता > हूं। > > dear mr. satya, thanks for your mail. it wonders me how could you point > out the mistakes in font without understanding it. I just introduced > myself as 34 years old mechanical engineer from punjab living with a > small family in germany for last five years. secondly i asked for the > permission to post in hindi. if it is not granted, i will leave the > group. but now i think i have to use blingual methd to post. > > in this post i raised the need for indians to learn each other's > languages for the sake of national integration. which language do you > speak? can you forward me some links to learn some basic language? > > i wish to contribute to bharatuday as much as i can. > thanks > rajneesh mangla > www.rajneesh-mangla.de > > > -- "|| bRaHmAiVa sAtYaM ||" == 5 of 7 == Date: Sat, Mar 4 2006 7:58 pm From: "Vinay Khaitan" Dear satyaji, Please north-south issue beech mein mat laie. You think that just like many people from north cant read sourth-india script, in the same way south indians cant read "north indian hindi". That is the root of the trouble. You are assuming that english is the language of all of us, but hindi is language of part of us. I beg to differ. At least english is NOT the langauge of most of us (forget even one side). So if we like one language for all of us to communicate, then we must take the most spoken language. fortunately, hindi is spoken by at least 50% os mass. Not any other language(including english) is spoken anywhere near it. So what would you think of the language of communication? English is not understood by common mass(some of them have some understanding of the language because of job realities, in the same way south indians too understand hindi). -Vinay Khaitan On 3/4/06, satya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey Rajneesh.... > My mail was not meant to leave a bad taste....but extremely sorry if it > did. > and I no where mentioned I cudnt read Devnagri... > I was simply elaborating on what u said regarding national integration... > And this is what I was pointing to when I said some mistakes in the font > के लिए , तमिल ,कि फ़ौंट , बिन>...... > I definitely want to see mails in Hindi as well as regional languages... > for the better of our masses. To give more clarity I must state " Iam not > against any language." > > And plz do not speak of leaving the group again... for theres a great need > for ppl like you to lead the revolution that is BharathUday Mission... > > Truly ..Satya > > Jai Hind > > > On 04/03/06, रजनीश मंगल> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > सत्य> जी आपके जव>ब के लिए > > धन्यव>&। एक तो आप कह रहे > > हैं कि फ़ौंट में गड़बड़ है। ये > > आप बिन> समझे कैसे कह सकते > > हैं? ब>कि मैं च>हत> हूं > > एकत> के चलते हमें एक और > > बहुत महत्वपूर्ण क>म करन> > > च>हिए। वो है एक &ूसरे की > > भ>ष> सीखन>। चलिए आप मुझे > > तमिल, तेलगू, मलय>लम और > > कन्नड़ सिख>ईए, मैं आपको > > हिन्&ी और पंज>बी सिख>त> > > हूं। > > > > dear mr. satya, thanks for your mail. it wonders me how could you point > > out the mistakes in font without understanding it. I just introduced > > myself as 34 years old mechanical engineer from punjab living with a > > small family in germany for last five years. secondly i asked for the > > permission to post in hindi. if it is not granted, i will leave the > > group. but now i think i have to use blingual methd to post. > > > > in this post i raised the need for indians to learn each other's > > languages for the sake of national integration. which language do you > > speak? can you forward me some links to learn some basic language? > > > > i wish to contribute to bharatuday as much as i can. > > thanks > > rajneesh mangla > > > > > > > > > -- > "|| bRaHmAiVa sAtYaM ||" > > > == 6 of 7 == Date: Sat, Mar 4 2006 11:11 pm From: "Ankur Gattani" Hi folks.. the point about being all inclusive needs us to try taking eveyrone's thoughts here.... and for that matter.. there's no need to bring in a divide in terms of the language.. as for your point about hindi being the language of understanding.. yes.. of course our public material has to be in an understandable language.. shree rajneesh, bharat uday mein aapka swaagat hai. ham bilkul chahenge ki aap apne vichaar jis bhi bhaasha mein vyakt karna chahte hain karen.. sift itni guzarish hai.. ki bhasha ko ek saadan ki tarah istemaal karen. language for us here.. at this point of time.. is only a medium to communicate ideas... let it not end up becoming a barrier to the same! i for that matter am pretty comfortable talking in english for these maisl and discussions.. would be happy talking in hindi with folks around.. and resort to my original mewari.. at home.. and in my village.. altogether.. i appreciate and respect languages as a form of identity.. but only as long as ppl dont' start using them to create idetity clashes! hope i've made myself clear nothing against anybody.. or against any language regards ankur On 3/4/06, Vinay Khaitan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear satyaji, > > Please north-south issue beech mein mat laie. > You think that just like many people from north cant read sourth-india > script, in the same way south indians cant read "north indian hindi". > That is the root of the trouble. You are assuming that english is the > language of all of us, but hindi is language of part of us. > I beg to differ. At least english is NOT the langauge of most of us > (forget even one side). So if we like one language for all of us to > communicate, then we must take the most spoken language. fortunately, > hindi is spoken by at least 50% os mass. Not any other > language(including english) is spoken anywhere near it. > > So what would you think of the language of communication? English is > not understood by common mass(some of them have some understanding of > the language because of job realities, in the same way south indians > too understand hindi). > > -Vinay Khaitan > > > On 3/4/06, satya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey Rajneesh.... > > My mail was not meant to leave a bad taste....but extremely sorry if it > > did. > > and I no where mentioned I cudnt read Devnagri... > > I was simply elaborating on what u said regarding national > integration... > > And this is what I was pointing to when I said some mistakes in the > font > > के लिए , तमिल ,कि फ़ौंट , बिन>...... > > I definitely want to see mails in Hindi as well as regional > languages... > > for the better of our masses. To give more clarity I must state " Iam > not > > against any language." > > > > And plz do not speak of leaving the group again... for theres a great > need > > for ppl like you to lead the revolution that is BharathUday Mission... > > > > Truly ..Satya > > > > Jai Hind > > > > > > On 04/03/06, रजनीश मंगल> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > सत्य> जी आपके जव>ब के लिए > > > धन्यव>&। एक तो आप कह रहे > > > हैं कि फ़ौंट में गड़बड़ है। ये > > > आप बिन> समझे कैसे कह सकते > > > हैं? ब>कि मैं च>हत> हूं > > > एकत> के चलते हमें एक और > > > बहुत महत्वपूर्ण क>म करन> > > > च>हिए। वो है एक &ूसरे की > > > भ>ष> सीखन>। चलिए आप मुझे > > > तमिल, तेलगू, मलय>लम और > > > कन्नड़ सिख>ईए, मैं आपको > > > हिन्&ी और पंज>बी सिख>त> > > > हूं। > > > > > > dear mr. satya, thanks for your mail. it wonders me how could you > point > > > out the mistakes in font without understanding it. I just introduced > > > myself as 34 years old mechanical engineer from punjab living with a > > > small family in germany for last five years. secondly i asked for the > > > permission to post in hindi. if it is not granted, i will leave the > > > group. but now i think i have to use blingual methd to post. > > > > > > in this post i raised the need for indians to learn each other's > > > languages for the sake of national integration. which language do you > > > speak? can you forward me some links to learn some basic language? > > > > > > i wish to contribute to bharatuday as much as i can. > > > thanks > > > rajneesh mangla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > "|| bRaHmAiVa sAtYaM ||" > > > > > > > > > -- Ankur Gattani IIT Bombay 98692 52842 "A crucial task before us is to overcome the defeatist mentality that has crept into our intelligentsia and the powers-that-be, the fatalistic belief that Indians cannot do anything new in India." A.P.J.Abdul Kalam Join us and be a part of the next Indian Revloution led by youth! www.bharatudaymission.org == 7 of 7 == Date: Sat, Mar 4 2006 10:08 pm From: "रजनीश मंगला" सत्या साहब, आपके विचार पढ़कर अच्छा लगा। अंकुर साहब, जैसा आपने कहा कि भाषा को सिर्फ़ साधन के रूप में इस्तेमाल करना चाहिए, वो बिलकुल सही है। इसीलिए मैं दोनों भाषाओं में पोस्ट लिखा करूंगा (हिन्दी तथा अंग्रेज़ी)। भाषा को हम कोई मुद्दा नहीं बनाएंगे। मैं आपको अंकुर साहब कहूं या गत्तानी साहब? सत्या जी आप सत्या ज़्यादा पसंद करते हैं या सतय? खेतान साहब, भाषा को अभी कोई मुद्दा बनाने की ज़रूरत नहीं। हां इतना हम ज़रूर कर सकते हैं कि हम अपने विचारों को एक से ज़्यादा भाषाओं में प्रकट करें। एक बात और: अगर आपके कंप्यूटर में हिन्दी (या कोई भी भारतिय भाषा) ठीक नहीं दिखाई दे रही तो अपने ब्राउज़र के मेन्यू में जाएं: view -> coding -> unicode (UTF-8)। ये windows XP में सबसे ठीक दिखाई पड़तीं हैं। ----------------------- Dear Mr. Satya, I like your views, excuse me for mistakes, but people do a lot of mistakes in english too. Mr. Ankur, I agree with you that language should be used as means of expression, not as a means of divide. Infact my aim is to bring all indian people together on the basis of languages. we learn foreign languages like french, german etc. to be able to work, integrate with them. why can't we do the same with our own languages. I will never try to convince / force the need of anyone language. We will reach the optimum solution slowly, automatically. ============================================================================== You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BM_discussion" group. 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