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Today's topics: * Bm needs a platform for people interested for only social work in bm & not the political idealogy of BM - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/2e1dae034c0052c6 * u r fired as ur usefull to us no-more.. like a battery whos power is empty - 4 messages, 4 authors http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/8750eac6902ca28e * सच्च> भ>रतो&य - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/d3a1b64f84a087a * FW: [bm] corruption in passport office - 1 messages, 1 author http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/455d21c9dc10eba ============================================================================== TOPIC: Bm needs a platform for people interested for only social work in bm & not the political idealogy of BM http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/2e1dae034c0052c6 ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Sun, Apr 9 2006 2:26 am From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" i feel like being used like a banana as banana once used and then its thrown out,after working for past 10 months in bm mumbai..now the heirarchy of BM feels that now they are in comfortable position to fire or remove anyone in group. as i have been throwed out like a bateery whos charge is over, after me i dont know whos turn will be next..many have left and have been removed it could be your turn next,and plase use dont use harsh word s for hones workers of Bm amit chatterjee mumbai ============================================================================== TOPIC: u r fired as ur usefull to us no-more.. like a battery whos power is empty http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/8750eac6902ca28e ============================================================================== == 1 of 4 == Date: Sun, Apr 9 2006 2:50 am From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" bharatiya yodhao despite working for 10 months in Bm now i am facing an crisis that i joined RSS and sangh-parivaar a long time ago BM was formed and its not in my blood to betray anyone and the time i joined i didnt knew Bm had political ambitions and kept on working for its social work for so-much time and now when through my nd fellow mates hard work bM_mumbai is stable im being ordered to leave BM as im of other ideology.... so like a battery im being used and thrown.many have already left BM nd many have been removed just becuase they questioned some ideas and look what my days may be numbered but what bout you all .should one be thrown out just becuase they are from other ideaology or some space should be created for such patriots.. help me members tell ur concensious regards amit chatterjee mumbai == 2 of 4 == Date: Sun, Apr 9 2006 3:54 am From: "Sivabalan Pandian" Hi Y'll, I havent being active in this group coz I stay in seoul but was planning to immerse myself into the service of the country through this group once I was back in India. Now, I have my doubts about the functioning of this group. If people with different ideology (on other front) cannot coexist for the upliftment of our nation, then there is something seriously wrong about the very essence of the group. If our goal is still the fabled quote "The Rise of a great nation", then please rise above your petty designs and egos. The foremost question are - 1) Who decides the fate of other active member, based on what criteria? 2) How does once affiliation to other group affect his/her participation in this group? 3) Are we favouring democracy or autocracy ? As a member of this group, I render my humble apologise to Mr.Amit for all his hardship he has been put to. And hope active members get their due respect that their service demands. Jai Hind! -Siva On 4/9/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > bharatiya yodhao > despite working for 10 months in Bm now i am facing an crisis that i > joined RSS and sangh-parivaar a long time ago BM was formed and its not > in my blood to betray anyone and the time i joined i didnt knew Bm had > political ambitions and kept on working for its social work for so-much > time and now when through my nd fellow mates hard work bM_mumbai is > stable im being ordered to leave BM as im of other ideology.... > so like a battery im being used and thrown.many have already left BM nd > many have been removed just becuase they questioned some ideas and look > what > my days may be numbered but what bout you all .should one be thrown > out just becuase they are from other ideaology or some space should be > created for such patriots.. > help me members tell ur concensious > > > regards > amit chatterjee > mumbai > > > > > -- Smile; Siva ############################# ***** "We have only one passion. - The rise of a Great Nation" ***** ############################# == 3 of 4 == Date: Sun, Apr 9 2006 10:56 am From: "umrao" dear amit i think two things. first you should think that RSS and VHP etc hardliners are having some ideologies or not. ideologies are always human and positive. second it is not a matter of used or misused. you must have your own identity. if bm will throw me then i will not loose because i will evaluate myself if i will get myself honest and committed towards humanity then it will be better to leave an undemocratic organization but bm will loose a good thinker/ humanist/ activist, i have been working my own for last one decade. i am doing and i will be continue. please remember that if any organization will behave undemocratically then it will be refused by people because people have fed up these current ruling parties. the majority of voters are non technocrates, non iitians non iimians etc. for me if bm will say to leave i will leave immediately. organization is only tool for humanity. in my view organization should work with real democracy. with love vivek == 4 of 4 == Date: Sun, Apr 9 2006 10:41 pm From: "Vijay Mohan. D" Dear Amit, All that the Moderators were saying was that they are not willing to compromise on their ideals. The way they said it may have been wrong, but remember all of us are young people; they way we communicate may not be very polished all the time. Just do not take it to heart, and read the good thing in what they said, rather than in the negative things. BM does lot of social work also and there is nothing wrong in going to Politics. I agree with the moderators 100% on this. Even Hitler became the man of the year in the Time magazine once because once he got power; he was able to give jobs to every man and woman in Germany. Wages may have been low, but after a gap of many, many years every man; woman and child had food to eat, and a place to sleep in the night. Even though he was a despicable man, there are something's which we can learn even from an evil person. In his book Mein Kampf, he mentioned in detail, every single thing he would do after getting power - and he did exactly that only. Also, the Nazi party was able to completely replace the old German Govt, in every dept, because by the time they took over, they had the corresponding departments in their party itself, with proper documents, and papers and proposals, which just needed to be passed in the parliament. I am not comparing BM with Nazi party, but just saying that it is only from the Govt that true change can be done. And for that, it is essential that BM go into politics. Even in the Bhagavad Gita Krishna tells Arjuna that he has to do his duty, and not worry that he is going to fight against other members of his family. Regards, Vijay "Join Bharat Uday Mission, the party for all new indians." http://www.bharatudaymission.org/ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 2:50 AM To: BM_discussion Subject: [BM_discussion] u r fired as ur usefull to us no-more.. like a battery whos power is empty bharatiya yodhao despite working for 10 months in Bm now i am facing an crisis that i joined RSS and sangh-parivaar a long time ago BM was formed and its not in my blood to betray anyone and the time i joined i didnt knew Bm had political ambitions and kept on working for its social work for so-much time and now when through my nd fellow mates hard work bM_mumbai is stable im being ordered to leave BM as im of other ideology.... so like a battery im being used and thrown.many have already left BM nd many have been removed just becuase they questioned some ideas and look what my days may be numbered but what bout you all .should one be thrown out just becuase they are from other ideaology or some space should be created for such patriots.. help me members tell ur concensious regards amit chatterjee mumbai ============================================================================== TOPIC: सच्च> भ>रतो&य http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/d3a1b64f84a087a ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Sun, Apr 9 2006 10:17 am From: "amritesh" Dear Rupesh ji, As I have proposed earlier of an e-newspaper( costing around Rs. 2), can some of us start it in hindi. Most of our people are concerned towards e-magzine keeping this proposal back in the queue, but I am sure that with same amont of resources this plan would be many times more fruitful. Just a team need to be formed and things will start going. RUPI wrote: > Dear Vinay, Amritesh, Rajnish: > Your suggestions are very good.. we should start moving to our > langueges.. > it will be good if we start tying in hindi. > Please guide me on how to move to Hindi > Rupesh ============================================================================== TOPIC: FW: [bm] corruption in passport office http://groups.google.com/group/BM_discussion/browse_thread/thread/455d21c9dc10eba ============================================================================== == 1 of 1 == Date: Sun, Apr 9 2006 10:44 pm From: "Vijay Mohan. D" Hi, I have gone through this email in detail and have been thinking for the past few days about how exactly to tackle this problem effectively. There maybe be literally hundreds of similar cases coming to these people every day or month. And if one Singh or Raju is removed, another will take his place, so any solution which the Govt may take will only remove the symptom, and not the disease. Here is what I propose after intense thought: 1. Improve the document - Add a table with serial number, divided into Name of the complainant, Passport officials, Police, and Middle man. In each case specify the amount of money given. 2. Total this at the bottom of the table. 3. Show two graphs - One a pie chart of number of people cheated w.r.t passport officials, police, and Middle man. 4. Second graph will be amount of money paid w.r.t passport officials, police and Middle man. 5. Obtain a document from main passport office showing number of passports processed in the previous year and current year. Use the above data to calculate, how much money must have been made by passport officials, police and middle man. Draw the pie chart for the same. 6. Show a line chart with numbers for the past 5 years indicating against the total number of passports issues how much each Govt dept has made out of the people. 7. Now, when you send the above documents, send a copy to the revenue dept also, so that they can enquire and check whether Mr Singh/Raju and party pay the proper taxes or not. If possible, try to see whether information can be got about the bank accounts and other property details of the accused. 8. Also, contact some final year law students in Kanpur, and ask them about the feasibility of filing a class action suit. I.e. People of Kanpur Vs Passport Dept and People of Kanpur Vs police dept. A class action is when many people have been wronged, and they come together to tackle the issue, and fine the pants out of the accused. 9. Finally, get together on a debate with all BM members in Kanpur to decide about what to do, to remove the disease rather than the symptom. Publicize the details of your investigation report in the papers, and a practical solution of how to improve the situation. Book an auditorium in Kanpur and invite students from all colleges for a debate on corruption in Govt offices. Then publicize the debate and get together to formulate plan of action, etc. Basically, what I am trying to say is that, let us do something different and thoughtful rather than something which every Tom, Dick and Harry does when faced with a similar problem. BM USA Members: If anyone can reply to this email with details about how passports are obtained in US, and have a talk with the officials there as to what and how their system and processes are which prevent corruption, we can send the same to BM India and they can use that as a sample to propose restructuring of the passport system in India. This is essential, because anyone can complain, but the real thing is in proposing a solution which works. Again, remember it does not matter whether anyone implements these things or not, but we can carefully prepare the plans so that when the day comes, we can directly implement these things from the parliament. Regards, Vijay "Join Bharat Uday Mission, the party for all new indians." <http://www.bharatudaymission.org/> http://www.bharatudaymission.org/ _____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gopal Krishna Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 8:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [bm] corruption in passport office Dear friends, Please find the report on corruption in passport office in attached file: We aim to submit it to the following with an application: (1) President office Govt. of India, India (2) Prime Minister office Govt. of India, India (3) Director of grievances, Joint Secretary, (CPV), Ministry of external affairs (4) Passport office lucknow (5) D.M. office Kanpur. (6) S.P. office Kanpur. (7) Head Post office Kanpur (8) Director Indian Institute of Technology, Kanpur. (9) Dean of Students Affairs IIT Kanpur (10) Press We have taken permission from central admin team for reporting to press: today, there was an article in Dainik Jagran on this, in 1-2 days, India Expres and TOI wil also report it. this is a great work done by brother Alok : the whole idea was his and he did a good social service by arousing moral conscience of IITK students to register their moral protest over this shameless corruption: we need more such brilliant efforts from all our members of BM. brother Alok is leading this work. We r submitting every comment as we got from the students: we should show no mercy to corrupt people, who fleece the blood of hapless, innocent people, due to their satanic greed and moral poverty. I m very happy with this work by Kanpur Chapter : we should continue to fight every inhuman, immoral deeds in society with indefatigable spirit. I also welcome similar efforts by other chapters: they may take help from brother Alok ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and me. Jai Hind, Gopal Krishna 4th yr B. Tech Computer Science IIT Kanpur 'Those who condemn politics to be the last resort of a scoundrel are bound to be ruled by scoundrels' - Plato If you agree with above quote, then be a part of second freedom struggle of India, Bharat Uday Mission, at http://bharatudaymission.org "We have only one passion, The rise of a Great Nation." 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