[uucdigest] Sunday, January 23 2000 Volume 03 : Number 099 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] Atlanta-ites going to Roebling 2/26? Re: [uuc] Re: the truth is out there- somewhere [uuc] re: "M" Provenance [uuc] High Noon [uuc] <WOB> big E30 fan clutch wrench [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] caddy [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] E28 M5 Air Intake Plenum Removal [uuc] Tow hook [uuc] Dyno Day [uuc] Those Wacky Germans-What will they think of next [uuc] Re: [TheUUCGarage] Those Wacky Germans-What will they think of next Re: [uuc] RE: battery drain over nite in e34 [uuc] big nuts [uuc] BMW UDE in NJ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 13:22:35 -0500 (EST) From: Moe Drippins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Atlanta-ites going to Roebling 2/26? Anyone in the Atlanta area heading to the driving school at Roebling Road the 2/26 weekend? - -- Just Moe '95 540 6 speed, BL/SS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 14:32:51 -0500 From: Andrew Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: the truth is out there- somewhere > My whole arg. is about the E-36 being a REAL M3, Europe, yes. US version, no. It was after all the actual _M engineers_ that wanted to call the stroked and bored 325i (aka US e36 M3) the 330CSi. > btw my engine > was handbuilt by Motorsports as were all LTWs. Actually the LW motors were built on the line. The only difference between a LW motor and any other US S50B30 was in a regular QC check certain motors were pulled out as they fell above 2 standard deviations from the distribution of HP due to regular production tolerences. It's a production anomaly. By the same token, any motor that showed up with less than 240 was disassembled and examined to study and hence improve the accuracy of production tolerances. > Gary I only mentioned kershaw because we are putting on an event there > and I could hook you up, IF you have a racing lic. Let me > know what race you are going to enter that 318i with the funny looking fender > flares and wing. haha just kidding but I am would love to race you in > a real race, no driving school point by junk, sure your hand would get tired. Mike, ever notice who the CRACs are? > Mike > I really love challenges, that was why the LTW was raced BONE STOCK haha Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 14:12:34 -0600 From: "Ray Kang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] re: "M" Provenance Kevin Kelly wrote: >It was always my understanding that the E34 M5 was >assembled at Motorsport. The chassis was delivered to >Motorsport and the suspension, engine, drivetrain, >etc. were installed there. Am I wrong? Yes, I stand corrected. E34 M%'s were built at/by BMW Motorsport Ray Ride with the Best! http://mnhsta.freeservers.com/ Fast toys, and fast rides lead to stories! http://www.users.uswest.net/~kkang/Ray%20Page.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 15:51:26 -0500 From: Gary Bossert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] High Noon Whatever you want to do pal, stock or modified, it's your choice. Wanna get Stickley's car or DuPont's or Plumb's or Fairbanks, go ahead, I beat them all with my lowly E30. - -Gary Bossert Putting the "warm-up" plugs in as we speak. >Hold a sec, pulling my head out of my ass. > >Ok Gary, now I remember who you are, fellow club racer and mod E-30 >were you planning on bringing a bazooka to a knife fight? >I am referring to stock based cars not pure track cars with >more than evo cams etc... and E-36s still seem to be ahead of you >in that monster. > >the challenge is still on, find a stock E-30 or I will work something >out with stickley. > >I would prefer bone stock E-36 vs E-30 pink slips. > >I have been wanting a E-30 M3, really. > >mike ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 15:24:58 -0800 (PST) From: "K.C. Boyce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <WOB> big E30 fan clutch wrench All, Just thought I'd pass on a new use for that beautiful 24mm (?) Facom wrench for getting E30 fan clutches off: I had a coconut. I had no bush knife with which to open it. I thought and thought and thought. Then I got my Facom wrench, and WHACK! Coconut is open! (Jeez, maybe I could make a song out of this... <G> ) KC Boyce '85 325e E30 Eta Page: http://rikki.coloradocollege.edu/~k_boyce/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 18:54:42 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] caddy is the catera the re-emergance of the cimeron,,,, do you remember that engineering marvel???? what a performer. i think it was a chevy citation with cadillac emblems. hmmm,, i wonder if a turbo would fit on that... just kidding,, tommy-aka tampaturbom3 12.013 at 118.95 mph on street tires... AND , yes, Rob,,, i too was chuckling last week after church when my two kids and i were loading groceries into the trunk of my turbo m3 after running the 12.013 two nights before ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 19:16:59 -0500 From: "Curt Kiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] E28 M5 Air Intake Plenum Removal LOL I remember needing a blood transfusion after pulling that 'little hose' off the crankcase. Damn thing has teeth! John has identified the right end to remove but keep a rag ready for mop up [blood not oil]. ;-D Curt Kiser - now known as Lefty! 88' M5 - the WidowMaker John Weese writes: I'm in the process of replacing all of my coolant hoses and need to remove the air intake plenum on this S38 engine. Anyone have a tip on how to remove the hose that connects the bottom of the Intake Plenum with the crankcase? Mine is original (has no clamps), and I'm afraid to break it when I twist it off the fittings...it looks like it may be easier to remove the end that fits on ths crankcase (easier to see and get to)...anyone done this before? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 19:56:52 -0500 From: "Richard A. Vaughn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Tow hook My son ended up putting his '90 E30 in some ones yard this morning with out 1st snow. I can't remember if it has a tow hook or not.. or how big it is. I have one of the nylon web toe straps that have eye loops on the ends. Will that work? TIA, Richard V. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 21:05:33 -0500 From: "Steve D'Gerolamo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Dyno Day We had our session at Protosport (a local Porsche tuning shop) and I was very impressed. This is a one of the nicest independent shops I've seen and their cars appear to stand up to the shop's power claims. In addition, Tony Devos of Dynapack, a master BMW technician and former Alpina mechanic, did a great job of demonstrating the equipment and explaining how and why their dyno is such a valuable tuning tool. I really can't appreciate some of the points he made today as I've never seen a high horsepower car running on a roller dyno. Tony calmly sat on one of the dyno pods while the car accelerated in 5th gear from 3000-6500 (the max rpm is programmed into the computer) through almost open exhausts indoors. Others calmly stood in front of the car. No way would you want to do this with a roller dyno (6500rpms in 5th gear is well over 140 mph). We were able to see the fallout in the curves at 4600rpms and compare those to the fuel and ignition mapping tables from when the car was tuned. The reason for the fallout was obvious to Tony. Still the car made 432hp at the rear wheels at 1bar and the owner of the shop was quite pleased. However, a second run at a substantially higher boost (hoping for 600+ numbers) induced the overboost controls and the hp dropped off considerably. The technicians there appeared to be impressed with the tool and some of you will see it tomorrow. I'll try to talk Tony into flying in from New Zealand for Gateway tech to do a talk/demo of the equipment assuming there would be a place to run the car. In my mind, he appears to be a cross between Jim C and Brett Anderson (especially with the accent) and he'd surely add a different perspective to the St Louis event. Several of the tuners would be able to use this equipment to easily display the merits of their products. SD PS- the machine you'll see tomorrow is Hendrick Motorsports unit...these are the guys that prep Jeff Gordon & Terry Labonte's cars. Dynapack's own demo unit is currently being used by another Nascar team prepping for Daytona. They are testing 6 different differentials for their car and will choose the one with the least parasitic losses. Early on, warming up the machine today, Tony pulled back on the high beam flasher of the Porsche and the blip in the curves from the alternator loading was obvious....that's how sensitive this machine is. ========================================= Steve D'Gerolamo - The Ultimate Garage 201-262-0412 / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / http://www.ultimategarage.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 21:14:26 -0500 From: "Steve D'Gerolamo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Those Wacky Germans-What will they think of next Speaking with Tony Devos of Dynapack today, he told me a story about running across a disabled 750i (E38) on the roads in New Zealand. He stopped to help the motorist and quickly realized that the fuel pumps were not making the familiar noise when the ignition was turned on. He called the 800 help number (in Australia) from the motorists in-car cell phone and the BMW rep told him to put the phone down while they ran some remote diagnostics on the car (via satellite). Within a minute, the BMW service rep told him that the fuel pump relay was bad and to jump two contacts and to put on the headlight switch. Apparently this bypassed the relay and the motorist was able to get the car home and into the dealership. I had no idea that this level of sophistication existed with todays BMW's. I'm impressed! SD ========================================= Steve D'Gerolamo - The Ultimate Garage 201-262-0412 / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / http://www.ultimategarage.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 18:18:48 -0800 From: Jim Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: [TheUUCGarage] Those Wacky Germans-What will they think of next Yeah but the glovebox still fills up with water :) Jim Steve D'Gerolamo wrote: > > From: "Steve D'Gerolamo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Speaking with Tony Devos of Dynapack today, he told me a story about > running across a disabled 750i (E38) on the roads in New Zealand. He > stopped to help the motorist and quickly realized that the fuel pumps were > not making the familiar noise when the ignition was turned on. He called > the 800 help number (in Australia) from the motorists in-car cell phone and > the BMW rep told him to put the phone down while they ran some remote > diagnostics on the car (via satellite). Within a minute, the BMW service > rep told him that the fuel pump relay was bad and to jump two contacts and > to put on the headlight switch. Apparently this bypassed the relay and the > motorist was able to get the car home and into the dealership. I had no > idea that this level of sophistication existed with todays BMW's. I'm > impressed! SD > ========================================= > Steve D'Gerolamo - The Ultimate Garage > 201-262-0412 / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / http://www.ultimategarage.com > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in > forms and passwords with just one click! 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Chris J G ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 22:50:59 -0500 From: "Rob Levinson - UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] big nuts Ultimate Garage presents: The Facom Coconut Opening Device. Now available through special importation only, the Facom COD Piece is attractively priced at only $219.95. The COD Piece is available in any size you need from small to King-size. Knowing this group, anticipated orders of King-size COD Pieces is expected. Metric size COD Pieces only. Please take measurements first thing in the morning for most comfortable results. Many thanks to KC Boyce for testing the COD Piece and whacking those big nuts as hard as possible. - - Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: K.C. Boyce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2000 6:24 PM Subject: [uuc] <WOB> big E30 fan clutch wrench > All, > > Just thought I'd pass on a new use for that beautiful 24mm (?) Facom > wrench for getting E30 fan clutches off: > > I had a coconut. I had no bush knife with which to open it. I thought > and thought and thought. Then I got my Facom wrench, and WHACK! > Coconut is open! > > (Jeez, maybe I could make a song out of this... <G> ) > > KC Boyce > '85 325e > E30 Eta Page: http://rikki.coloradocollege.edu/~k_boyce/ > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 21:04:41 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] BMW UDE in NJ Hey guys. Just came back from the UDE in NJ a few hours ago. Very nice ;) I've never seen so many X5s before.....heck, I haven't even seen oneon the roads!! The only problem was that they were all the same color....puke brown...brownish green... The coolest thing there? A nice bluish silver M5!!!! But wait...unlike the one at the autoshow...this car was open... I sat my butt in those nice leather seats ;) Opened the hood. Touched, caressed the intake...very nice. I thought the shifter knob in my M3 was a touch high after the UUC competition short shift kit w/ ERK...the M5's shift lever was so damn tall! Too bad they disconnected the battery so that I couldn't sit comfortably to shift through all the gears (I couldn't reach the clutch pedal ;). I was drooling... =) Back to the X5. Very nice. It was a bit windy and chilly, but that's okay. Almost all the areas had tents and space heaters to keep us toasty. A bunch of us were scheduled for the 1:30 autocross. We sat in one section of the seating area and giggled like little kids when the instructor asked, "Who's done this before?" We were almost the only ones to raise our hands ;) Impressions of the X5? It felt a little cheap. You close the door...a hollow, very Honda-esque sound... Not a solid thud. I'm not a big fan of the new BMW type dashes seen on the E46 or the X5. Kinda weird looking. The 4.4L V8 was nice, but the friggin' ASC+T (or whatever acronym it is) really took away from our autocross times. The instructor would say, "Get on the gas." I'd be like, "Ummm...I am! I am! Nothing's happening!" Oh well. All of us were schooled by this dork who didn't even look like he knew anything about high performance driving! As for how we placed relative to one another...all I will say is that I didn't come in last ;) Body role was very negligible....very impressive. They had a Mercedes M-class and Lexus SUV out there outfitted with those anti-flip bars. The course they demonstrated on had slush on it so they couldn't get the cars up to speed to see those bad boys leave two wheels in the air! Oh well. They also had this huge ramp that went over a big 'ol semi. I'm not sure if I've ever been on something that steep. Something like a 28 degree hill and decent. They were showcasing the X5's hill accent and descent controller. Not bad. They had a skidpad as well where you can get the car (and we did) sideways. The last of them was a hydraulic scale that you drive the car onto. The point is to balance the car on the see-saw and show that the car has a 50:50 weight distribution. I drove the car up...car started to come forward...threw it in reverse a little...car balanced. The instructor said, "Wow...that was the fastest I've seen anyone do it." Go figure! =) Hmmm...I should have driven my M up to see if that fat amp in the trunk or UUC barbarian up front have any influence on my balance. LOL. Susan Komen was out there in full effect....a nice 9.8 mile trip through Jersey. I test drove the new E46 328iC. I wasn't impressed at all. Do all non M cars have this weird engine management where the rpms slowly die off? You blip the throttle and the rpms stay way up there.... Yeck! You could barely hear the engine from the interior.....everything was muted out...making rev matching and stuff difficult. Also, the pull from the engine was lackluster. On the good side, it handles pretty well. Nice solid feeling. My overall opinion of the E46 coupe was that it felt cheap. My E36 feels more luxurious. Sure, some amenities of the interior are nice, but when you close the door....very hollow, unfulfilling sound. Combined with what I feel was a loss of feel in the drivetrain....I'm not very impressed. I'd be interested to see how the E46 M3 will make up for these issues. Overall, a very nice setup. I would recommend anyone in the tristate area to venture over and have a little fun. Chester On a side note, while we were in the parking area checking each other's car out: Wayne's fallen under-panel, Dave Ngo's ugly snow wheels...this blond walks over and asks if we have jumper cables. "Uh...no....," was the resounding answer ;) Stephen (I think) asks, "Is your car a manual?," since we are at a BMW event...she might even be a driving enthusiast! She sez, "Yeah." "Why don't be just push it and start 'er up." After much thought, "I guess so." "Where's your car?" "It's that silver one there..." Hmmmm.....the silver car in front of us is none other than a Porsche Boxster ;) We all said, "Hmmmm....maybe we should just leave ya here." =) We make quite a few attempts at pushing and having her pop the clutch. No dice. Oh well...gave it a try. My lungs were burning from breathing the sub zero air. YIKES! So Stephen, how was sitting in the car while we pushed? =) ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! 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