[uucdigest] Thursday, January 27 2000 Volume 03 : Number 129 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: Re: [uuc] ABS stopping distances Re: [uuc] Bad accident [uuc] <WOB> Audi Merger??? RE: [uuc] <WOB> Audi Merger??? Re: [uuc] Flooded 318is Re: [uuc] Bad accident [uuc] 528E should I? Re: [uuc] E30 Mechanical Question and M5 Observation [uuc] <All> Metric Software Re: [uuc] ABS stopping distance re: [uuc] bad accident Re: [uuc] Bad accident Re: [uuc] bad accident re: [uuc] airbag triggers (was bad accident) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 11:24:48 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] ABS stopping distances The driver has to threshold brake perfectly AND the vehicle brake proportioning has to be perfect for the particular load in the vehicle and deceleration during that stop. ABS compensates for a host of unknowns. Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Threshold braking, perfectly executed, will stop a car faster than ABS. > However, how many people can perfectly execute threshold braking, every time, > especially in a panic situation? There are certainly people on this list who > can do it (I am not necessarily one of them), but I'm talking about the > driving population at large. In addition, even the enthusiast who is > threshold braking has less directional control (steering) than the soccer mom > with ABS (on the other hand, the enthusiast will probably think about where to > steer and look in that direction, the soccer mom will probably look at > whatever she is trying to avoid and drive right into it without even trying to > steer). > > Regards, > Peter Sterne > '93 325is > '91 Miata SE > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 11:58:04 -0800 From: "Jamie Stark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Bad accident Theo Isn't reckless driving in NJ a criminal offence?? I think I heard that it is, if so you should be looking for a good criminal lawyer. If you still really want to sue someone for injury, it sounds like you should sue the guy who lost control of his car and spun into a guard rail. Oh wait, never mind... jamie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Thank you for your support and advice (especially Mr. Eilenberger, Mr. > Derian, and Dean). You guys are great. > Just to clear some things up...My SRS light had been on for about a month > before the accident, but about a week before the accident i took the car in > for service, and the dealer noted on paper that i mentioned there was a > problem with the airbags since the light was on. I got the car back later > that day, with the dealership claiming that the problem was the sensor in the > seat belt buckle and that the problem had been rectified. I understand that > the front airbags should not have deployed, but the point of impact was just > forward of the midsection of the side of the car. If the nice man behind me > hadn't cut me out, I would probably have suffocated since the seat was bent > in half around me. I still don't know how i survived without any broken ribs. > My father took pictures of the car at the auto body shop were it's being > held until the dealership can tow it away; the side airbag panel is even open > a bit at the top left, and yet they didn't deploy. As for driving with "due > caution," I was driving around 35, the speed limit of the road. The road > conditions were clear, no snow on the ground....I should have been more > careful. I got a nice present from the police officer though. He gave me a > ticket for reckless driving while I was still writhing in the ER about to get > my morphine. Know any good injury lawyers in Northern NJ? > Thanks again > Theo > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 12:12:43 -0500 From: Mark Borchik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <WOB> Audi Merger??? Zippo Manufacturing, Audi Motors, Dofasco, and Dakota Mining merge to become: "Zip-Audi-Do-Da". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 12:39:22 -0500 From: "Cagann, Alexander" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] <WOB> Audi Merger??? > Zippo Manufacturing, Audi Motors, Dofasco, and Dakota Mining > merge to become: > "Zip-Audi-Do-Da". How about Norfolk railroad and Way Chemical combine: "Norfolk & Way" Alex Cagann ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 12:21:18 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Flooded 318is If the plugs are dirty and worn, when they get wet with fuel, they will conduct voltage to ground before it can build up enough to spark. Very cold temperatures and a weak ignition will make this worse. Install new plugs. Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > A coworker has a 1996 (I think) 318is. When he tried to start his car > yesterday morning, it wouldn't start. He pulled the plugs and they were > saturated with gas.....not oil, gas. > > What would cause this? > > Thanks, > Shawn > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 12:40:43 -0500 From: Mark Borchik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Bad accident A "Reckless Driving" citation is totally unwarranted, and as Kevin has pointed out, reckless op must be witnessed by the citing officer. I can't see this citation standing up in court. However, in jurisdictions that require a citation be issued at the scene of every accident, standard fare is to issue a "Failure To Control" citation, because, as the name of the citation suggests, the driver failed to control his/her vehicle, and THAT citation WILL stand up in court, regardless of the circumstances involved. Mark Borchik *62 entries on DL in past 12 years* ($$$) > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 08:18:25 -0600 (CST) > From: "Kevin Jay (Mr.Fabulous)" > Subject: Re: [uuc] Bad accident > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [uuc] Bad accident > > > > [...snip ] > > > > I got a nice present from the police officer though. He gave me a > > ticket for reckless driving while I was still writhing in the ER about to get > > my morphine. Know any good injury lawyers in Northern NJ? > > that's crap, no officer can cite you for a moving violation he did not witness > > get a cheap traffic attorney (or maybe even represent yourself)... this one's > a no-brainer, they'll throw it out in court > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 11:50:47 -0600 From: Clarence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] 528E should I? Patrick Finn wrote: > I don't think that you can chip a pre 84 528e.... > I have also heard this. But I've also heard that the DME (?) can be swapped w/one that will accept a chip change. Of course, this is an extra cost to the chip. BTW, we own an '83 528e. Bought it w/165,000 miles and it now has 237,000. Continues to run great and is very reliable. Low maintenance cost. No, it won't be good in any races. And, with 4 adults and luggage, a newer 4 cylinder car may outrun it on the highway going upgrade. But my wife and I commonly cruise comfortably in the 80-85 mph range w/power left. The '83 also has (at least ours does) the older 3 speed auto. Other than leaking, ours has not had any problems. And, it hasn't been serviced in the time we've had it. Fortunately, after the front suspension was repaired shortly after we got it (typical E28 shimmies), we've not had a problem since. No special parts went in, i.e. 750 bushings. Ours is not a good example of the car cosmetically. It's been is several accidents and has had the color changed; rust has gotten a foothold. But we still like the car a lot. Good luck w/your decision. clarence Badger Bimmers ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 12:50:36 -0500 From: "Pat Donahue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] E30 Mechanical Question and M5 Observation Oh yeah. Nice attitude. BMW builds the ultimate driver's car and you wanna put it on a pedestal and _look_ at it? I think he should be commended for driving such a fine car. I wish I had one when I was 19 instead of having to wait until I was 40. I hope no E30 driving morons hit him while he's out there. Geeeze '88 325is ITS racer, '99 F250 Super Duty to pull it, Honda Gold Wing for transport (yeah, even in the winter but not in the snow) Also have a '95 Honda ST1100 for sale and an '84 Turbo Diesel (Banks) 4wd Suburban for sale. Alas, the '91 M5 was sold to support my habit. - ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On another note, I was behind a beautiful M5 last night here in Boston. > Odd thing was, car was covered in road salt, like everything else here. I > admired it for a couple of blocks, then pulled next to him at a traffic > light. Pissed me off to see that the driver was probably about 19 or so > (probably a rich snot Boston University student). Obviously didn't give > a hoot about the car, since anyone who cares would garage it during the > winter. For those who worship at the Roundel temple, such sacrilege > should be grounds for a severe beating with used E30 timing belts. Yes, > I am jealous, and it dissapoints me to see someone take such poor care of > such a great car. > > Chris Burdick, Sales Guy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 05:08:33 +1100 From: "Edgington, Bill BM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <All> Metric Software Freebie Alert > my favorite converter is at www.joshmadison.com/software Enjoy, Bill Edgington EOM NOTICE - This message contains information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. It may also be confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 12:18:53 -0600 From: "Kittock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] ABS stopping distance Actually, the brake pad/disk friction doesn't even come into play when determining minimum stopping distance. (for most vehicles anyway - only if the vehicle has undersized brakes and it is impossible to lock up the wheels does brake friction become a factor) Brake friction is a factor for improving feel and/or stopping power with less pedal force. Yes, perfect threshhold braking will result in shorter distances than ABS, but how many of us are capable of it, repeatably? Especially in a panic situation, even pro drivers would do better with ABS I bet. I certainly wish my track car had ABS, not that I would be in the ABS all the time, but to have it as a backup in case I underestimate my braking and prevent flat spotted tires! Mark '96 328i Sport (w/ Nokian Hakka 1's in the winter) '86 944 turbo track car (waiting for spring) >Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:04:03 -0500 >From: Michiel van Wessem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [uuc] ABS stopping distances > >At 06:15 PM 1/25/00 -0800, K.C. Boyce wrote: >>Richard M. writes: >> >>> Please explain how on a dry flat surface a car which >>> locks its wheels (non ABS) will not stop as quick as >>> a car with wheels still turning (ABS)when braking >>> hard from speed. >> >>Others have responded as well, but I think I have an analogy that we >>all can relate to. What we're dealing with is a simple case of sliding >>(non-ABS locked-wheel stop) versus rolling (ABS stop) friction. Anyone >>who's ever moved something heavy by sliding it across the floor can >>tell you the difference...it takes a lot of energy to get the object >>moving, and less energy to keep it moving. >> >>Compare this to what you want your wheels to do in a stop, which is to >>allow you brakes to turn your kinetic energy into heat as quickly and >>efficiently as possible. A rolling tire is essentially a >>static-friction environment (your heavy object before you get it >>moving). It therefore can "resist" the most energy -- allowing the >>brakes to absorb it. When the tire locks, the brakes become 100% >>ineffective, as they are no longer turning kinetic energy into heat. >>The tire is thus doing that job, and, as it's sliding, it will take >>less energy to keep sliding. >> >>Hope that was clear and technically correct enough! >> >> KC Boyce >> '85 325e >> E30 Eta Page: http://rikki.coloradocollege.edu/~k_boyce/ > >Very clear. > >1. If the tire is rolling, there is a static friction at the tire contact >patch and a dynamic friction at the brake pad surface. > >2. If the wheel is locked, there is dynamic friction at the tire contact >patch and static friction at the brake pad surface. > >Ok, static friction > dynamic friction. > >But this still doesn't explain why rolling tires stop better. I think you >need to add that the dynamic friction of brakes is bigger then the dynamic >friction of the tires. Slipping brakes are able to have more friction then >skidding tires. > >Otherwise, I thought that threshold braking stops faster then ABS braking? > >Michiel > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 13:19:55 -0500 From: "Michael Wendell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: re: [uuc] bad accident various and sundry folks wrote... >>> I got a nice present from the police officer though. >>> He gave me a ticket for reckless driving while I was >>> still writhing in the ER about to get my morphine. >> that's crap, no officer can cite you for a moving >> violation he did not witness get a cheap traffic >> attorney (or maybe even represent yourself)... this >> one's a no-brainer, they'll throw it out in court > Happens all the time in NY. The ticket is given for > "speed improper for road conditions". And it's not an > easy ticket to beat. first of all, i'm not anti-cop... and it may be a warranted violation, it may not, whatever. but... i just think that any dickhead who has to write a ticket to some guy who just completely totaled his car and is laying there in pain with a broken pelvis (or whatever) is a total sleeze, talk about adding insult to injury (assuming, of course, that ths was a single-car incident, which i believe this was). i mean, IF the guy was reckless, i think he learned his lesson. m. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 13:32:52 -0500 From: "Coldfire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Bad accident Each State may have their own particular name for the offense. The thing that is important is what constitutes that offense. These types of citations are common following accident investigations. Traffic Accident Investigators reconstruct accidents all the time, their success rate in the court room is excellent either with a judge or a jury. The end result remains that the car is totaled. How many times do we see a known dangerous intersection receive a ticket? We don't, almost always the blame rests upon the driver. Even the simple act of spinning tires constitutes a loss of control of the vehicle in many areas. Before jumping for a lawyer find out what the total costs would be. Remember it's the judge who decides not the lawyer. Guy '87 535iS > > that's crap, no officer can cite you for a moving violation he did not > witness > > > > get a cheap traffic attorney (or maybe even represent yourself)... this > one's > > a no-brainer, they'll throw it out in court > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 13:33:01 -0500 From: "Dean Boucouras" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] bad accident A neighbor of mine wrecked her car last winter. I stopped to help her out. She lost control on a icy patch, and struck a telephone pole with the drivers side (luckily the impact point was in the rear door and she was not hurt). We called the cops to help with traffic control since the car had to be towed away (it was not a simple tow by any means). The cop gave her a ticket also. She did not sue anyone or any company. She realized that she was driving too fast for the conditions. Dean ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 13:29:31 -0500 From: "Michael Wendell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: re: [uuc] airbag triggers (was bad accident) > The system may need to see some serious chassis > deformation before it triggers, I don't know. > Imagine if you somehow ran into the end of a > horizontal pole, straight through your windshield. > I doubt the front bags would come on if there were > no deformation of the front bumper/chassis. actually i understand that most bags are triggered by accelerometers. so it's rapid deceleration that triggers the bags, not deformation. m. ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #129 ************************** _________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Bonneville Motorwerks . http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com | Circle Tire Co. 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