[uucdigest] Friday, January 28 2000 Volume 03 : Number 138 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: Re: [uuc] bad accident - maggots unlimited Re: [uuc] Re: Bad accident / reckless ticket (long rant) Re: [uuc] Re: traffic maggots Re: [uuc] Re: Bad accident / reckless ticket RE: [uuc] E34 535 steering question.. [uuc] Maggot Joke (WOB) Re: [uuc] Re: Bad accident / reckless ticket Re: [uuc] M5 Observation Re: [uuc] ABS stopping distances Re: [uuc] ABS stopping distances E36 Flooded ECU (was Re: [uuc] M5 Observation) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:53:16 -0500 From: "Rob Levinson - UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] bad accident - maggots unlimited I hate to say it, but you're right - that's naive. The Political Machine grows itself. When was the last time you really felt you had a hand in choosing not the winner, but your candidates? Special interestes and big money control politics. "Any child can grow up to be President" - bullshit. For the record, I have never called a cop a maggot. I don't need name-calling to make this point, the truth is bad enough. Yes, I'm making a broad generalization in my accusations, but a preponderance of bad, unfair, and illegal activity in the public's eye ruins the reputation of all the good officers like your father. BTW, sorry to hear about your 3.0s. - - Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] bad accident - maggots unlimited > Cops are maggots? For enforcing the law? > Lemme check...we know what the law is. > Then we choose to break it. > Cops enforce the law as someone hands it to them in > a V&T book. > Legislatures write the law. > We elect the legislature. > *scratching head* > Maybe I'm just too naive to understand this. > -Dave > '74 3.0s - smashed > (oo=00=xx) > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/9550/pix/trooper.jpg > Yeah, that's my dad :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:48:54 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Bad accident / reckless ticket (long rant) Far be it from me to pick a fight with the list admin and owner :), but I just have to. Lots of stuff snipped. >They are, after all, trained in the fine art of revenue collection. And so, therefore, State Troopers are _bad_ because _OUR_ government made a decision on how to use them? Hmm. >State >Troopers are only marginally involved in "Protecting and Serving". They are >mostly sitting on the side of the road watching for "velocity infractions" >while the drunk drivers hold 54mph until they broadside a minivan full of >little kids. At least the Troopers are there to mop up after the fact while >we all drive by and wonder why he didn't stop the drunk when he was weaving >out of the parking lot of the bar up the road. Ever wonder why drunk >checkpoints aren't right outside the parking lots of bars? Hmmm... Actually, you know what they are doing Rob? They are going into disgusting hovels for stupid domestic disputes that can end in a knife fight...they are picking bodies out of twisted cars, often at great risk to their own lives...they are standing out in the snow in the middle of the cold night directing traffic and getting hit and killed doing it. They are pulling over cars and wondering if they guy just robbed a bank, and maybe if he has a .357 in his hand ready to use it. They are hiking through the woods in 16 hour shifts looking for lost hikers or children. They put up with garbage every single day that would make most of us puke. Do you think they WANT to sit there and ticket you? Now, I am only half way through law school, but I'm pretty sure the reason they don't park outside bars has something to do with the Equal Protection Clause & other limitations imposed by the courts - for better or worse. >My good experience to bad experience ratio with NJ State Troopers and NJ >Police is very low. I do not engage in criminal activity, yet the sight of a >white car with lights on the top is no comfort. They have done very well in >fostering an atmosphere of fear and mistrust in everyone I know. Over the >years, on the rare occassion where I may get a flat tire or mechanical >breakdown on the side of a major road, there's never a Trooper passing by to >help... except for two times: 1) a Trooper just passed right by and left me >still stranded, hood up and hazards on. I'm surprised he didn't wave. 2) The >police officer that threatened to have my car towed if I couldn't move it >immediately (I had a blown electric fan fuse which I was replacing, otherwise >my car was overheating). Bad experiences? Cops lying about traffic incidents >that I was a witness to, lying about speed gotten by pacing, and towing my car >for a 1-day past due inspection sticker right in front of my own house. So there are bad apples. A black guy honked at me this morning, and one bumped me in the metro. What assumptions am I to make of that? People are people. Maybe the guy in example one was responding to an accident...maybe he was going to a crime in progress. Maybe even that bastard was up for a 12 hour shift and just didn't see you... >And being a decent human being would give the officer different kind of >points - the kind that go in your Karma Account. Must have been slowed up by >the snow to write his "performance analysis" minimum quantity of tickets that >day. Maybe his supervisor makes him write them. Maybe his supervisor is pressured by the zone commander who is pressured by the Superintendant who is being leaned on by the governor...who knows? You're gonna whine about a cop, who has the least power of anyone in that structure? I admit, I even posted something that essentially stated I thought it was a jerky move, but then again, I'm not a member of then NJ bar and I don't know how they use their V&T laws. It's an opinion, which may very well be incorrect, and that cop might have been completely within his discretion in giving it. >Exactly, and consider bringing suit against the state and the officer for >"failure to plow" and "unlawful prosecution". Maybe it would be better to give these guys (1) a break, and (2) a raise. I can just picture all the state troopers in NY and NJ (and elsewhere, I'm sure) getting out of bed this morning wringing their hands and sharpening their pencils for a day of ticket writing because THAT's what they REALLY want to be doing. I was hoping someone would pipe up before me. Guess not. For a group that prides itself on "no whining" and common sense, I figured this wouold have ended a while back. How many times have you looked down the barrel of a gun? - -Dave http://www.nleomf.com/ <--- take a look. ______________________________________ This message, together with any attachments, is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is legally privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message,or any attachment, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the original sender (or the WSPR Help Desk) immediately by telephone (212-858-1000) or by return E-mail and delete the message, along with any attachments, from your computer. Thank you. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:49:35 -0500 From: "Pat Donahue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: traffic maggots No offense Brett but I like this advice much better that what you recommend. Can you picture a world where the cops had to obey the same laws or suffer the same kind of harassment other drivers feel? I wonder how many of these morons get caught by the photo radars and red light cameras each day. If I'm speeding I should never have a cop catch up from behind and clock me. Geeeze '88 325is ITS racer - ----- Original Message ----- Derek writes: > If I had the time I would follow cops around with my own radar gun and a > video camera, send that stuff into the local news and the Fox network. Get > the "mad dash" to the donut shop. I have seen a cop hit 60 mph in a 25 to > catch a guy who was doing 5 over the limit. Draw the power of the press on > these Police departments. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 05:55:06 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Yip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Bad accident / reckless ticket This type of behavior isn't unique to the Industrial state, er, NJ. In the DC area, it's a running joke about the sight of blue lights followed by the overabundance of brake lights. I'm waiting for the first moron to be killed b/c he/she panic stopped at the sight of blue lights on the shoulder. I wonder what kind of lawsuit would entail - a suit against the police for intimidation (which would lead to non-visual cues for law enforcement vehicles), police sensing radar that would automatically slow your vehicle to 30 mph BELOW the posted speed upon detecting a police car,... The ideas are endless but then so is the stupidity. - --- Gilbert Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A local bronze told a friend of mine that if cars won't pass him > while he is > doing the speed limit, he will slow down. If he is doing 15mph > under the > limit and a car still won't pass, he'll pull him over and ticket > him. ===== Matthew Yip [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/mgyip/ '87 GTi 16v - x2 '88 M5 '99 F350 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:06:33 -0500 From: Don Eilenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] E34 535 steering question.. Drifting from lane to lane.. Dave asks: >Hello, >I have a 90 535i and recently (mostly during wet weather) the steering sort >of feels like im loosing the power steering capability. This only happens >when I turn the wheel more than 30deg. or so. Kind of a jerking sensation to >best describe it. Could this be my steering pump or maybe a loose belt? Any >way to be sure and are either difficult to change. >Thanks in advance... >Dave > >90 535i >91 Alfa Spider Dave - BTDT on my '87 (and unfortunately - they didn't change the design much between the E28 and E34).. The power steering pump hangs down off the engine on the drivers side - and the pully is exposed to weather. Mine used to loose ALL power if I went through a big enough puddle. Got so I expected it. New belt will most likely help - as would roughing up the inside surface of the pully a bit (sandpaper to make sure it isn't glazed..). I think the later models may have some sort of weather shield over the pully assembly - you might check and make sure if it's supposed to have this that it's still there. Dumb design.. Best, HTH (snow sucks), ........................................ Don Eilenberger, Spring Lk Hts, NJ JMP#1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] NJ Shore BMW Riders web page: http://www.monmouth.com/~deilenberger You're absolutely right, and I apologize --Darryl Richman ........................................ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:09:09 -0500 From: "Henry Caldwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Maggot Joke (WOB) <<...The cop, absorbed with these bizarre images in his mind, asked, "What the hell do you do with a six foot asshole?" Bob nonchalantly answered, "You give it a radar gun and stick it at the end of a bridge!">>> Apologizing to all the good cops.... but that's funny!!!! Henry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:14:38 -0500 From: "Pat Donahue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Bad accident / reckless ticket Ouch. In the town where I live, Vienna VA, we used to go down to the police firing range and watch them shoot. These guys were _very_ good. I think I remember them winning tournaments up and down the east coast. They would have done better blindfolded from a quarter mile with the deer running full speed. Geeeze '99 F250 Super Duty Super Cab 4wd Turbo Diesel aarrh arhh arhh - ----- Original Message ----- From: Shawn Crews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > They're also trained in the use of their service weapons. That's why, when > someone hit a baby deer in front of my house last spring and broke its legs, > it took the cop SEVENTEEN (17) shots to end its suffering. .38 revolver. > Emptied the cylinder. Pulled out the speedloader. Emptied the cylinder. > Pulled out the speedloader. Emptied the cylinder. Manually loaded the > revolver from another box in his car and took two more shots. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:17:44 -0500 From: Chaz Yoon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] M5 Observation Everything is a matter of perspective. Some people really work hard to keep their cars in pristine conditions, others don't. Are you going to criticize 18 year old kids working hard to make a few bucks so they can buy some nice rims for their Civics? It's their hobby and if it brings them pleasure, by all means, they should be doing it and I certainly am no one to criticize them for it. Just like I shouldn't be criticizing you for driving your E36 in the winter. Tons of people would trade their cars for yours and would promise to never put it through salt, but that really doesn't make a difference. It's YOUR car and it's YOUR choice as to what is done with it. Chaz On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 07:53:19PM -0600, Kevin Jay (Mr.Fabulous) wrote: > > my formerly red E36 is now sitting out front of my office completely covered > with salt. it's so bad in the back that i literally can't read the rear > plate... and frankly i'm afraid to run it through a car wash (flooded ECU), so > it'll be like this until it warms to the point where i can hose it down. > > but you know what? it's a car. it's not a small child. it's not the mona > lisa. it's not some religious artifact. it's just a machine. one that i > bought because i like to use it. it does me no good to have it in the garage > while i drive an uncomfortable, slow, ill-handling winter beater (and this > thing *rocks* in the snow with the right tires). i'll shine her up again in > the spring... > > - -- Chaz Yoon http://christabel.mit.edu/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:18:00 -0500 From: "Pat Donahue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] ABS stopping distances I'd have to disagree with this one. The more training and practice you have at it the more likely it is to be the reflex. I'm not completely there yet; I have to slide a couple of feet before I remember. Geeeze '91 Honda Gold Wing - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Solomon > If you're driving across a bridge and the section in front of you suddenly > falls down into the river/ravine, you're not going to go "pressure on...ease > off so as not to lock.....pressure on", you're going to mash that pedal down > to the floor, and keep it there, no matter how much training or practise > you've had. > > Think about it, in an emergency, a REAL emergency, all the training goes out > the window, the pucker factor hits 10.8, and you just want to STOP. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 07:29:03 -0700 From: "Renny Lutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] ABS stopping distances Actually I disagree with you, the purpose of all the training is to ingrain those correct procedures into your head so they become habits if you have done enough track time or practiced maximum force braking enough times when that emergency does come up you will be so used to correctly applying the brakes that it will be an instant reaction to do it and you won't even think about how you're applying the brakes it will just happen. I haven't spent much time on a track in car but have spent many a day on the track at full speed on a motorcycle where things such as maximum braking are even more important than in a car. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian & Kim Solomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: BMW UUC Digest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 4:37 AM Subject: [uuc] ABS stopping distances > All this talk about stopping distances reminded me of the discussions at one > of our club meetings where we had an instructor from BMW driving systems > giving a talk. > All the old guys were saying how they could out brake the ABS by modulating > the pressure on the pedal etc. but were countered by the following...... > If you're driving across a bridge and the section in front of you suddenly > falls down into the river/ravine, you're not going to go "pressure on...ease > off so as not to lock.....pressure on", you're going to mash that pedal down > to the floor, and keep it there, no matter how much training or practise > you've had. > > Think about it, in an emergency, a REAL emergency, all the training goes out > the window, the pucker factor hits 10.8, and you just want to STOP. > > Ian Solomon #257 > BMW Club Queensland > www.bmwclubqld.asn.au > '85 323i Baur Cabrio [IRS 58] (no ABS....unfortunately) > www.powerup.com.au/~irs/Default.htm > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:24:33 -0500 From: "Peter Sterne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: E36 Flooded ECU (was Re: [uuc] M5 Observation) Eh, what's this flooded ECU thing all about? I've got a '93 325is (since September 1999) and though I prefer hand washing it, I've taken it to the car wash about 10 times since I got it (especially in these freezing, salty, snowy conditions). Is this a real concern? Regards, Peter Sterne '93 325is (had those swirl marks in the paint when I got it) '91 Miata SE (in the garage this winter; for sale this spring) "Kevin Jay (Mr.Fabulous)" wrote: > my formerly red E36 is now sitting out front of my office completely covered > with salt. it's so bad in the back that i literally can't read the rear > plate... and frankly i'm afraid to run it through a car wash (flooded ECU), so > it'll be like this until it warms to the point where i can hose it down. > > but you know what? it's a car. it's not a small child. it's not the mona > lisa. it's not some religious artifact. it's just a machine. one that i > bought because i like to use it. it does me no good to have it in the garage > while i drive an uncomfortable, slow, ill-handling winter beater (and this > thing *rocks* in the snow with the right tires). i'll shine her up again in > the spring... ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #138 ************************** _________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Bonneville Motorwerks . http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com | Circle Tire Co. 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