[uucdigest] Friday, January 28 2000 Volume 03 : Number 140 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: Re: [uuc] Re: Bad accident / reckless ticket (long rant) [uuc] <WOB> M5's for sale Re: [uuc] Re: bad accident - maggots unlimited [uuc] Anacronyms [uuc] Brake advice please [uuc] RE: New To List [uuc] maggots, troopers, etc [uuc] defaming maggots [uuc] Re: [E36M3] Brake advice please Re: [uuc] Anacronyms [uuc] Re: [E36M3] Brake advice please [uuc] How to kill a resistor [uuc] Re: [TheUUCGarage] Brake advice please [uuc] M5 brakes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:33:13 -0500 From: "James Sheridan-Peters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Bad accident / reckless ticket (long rant) > > Do you think they WANT to sit there and ticket you? > > It's probably easier than any other ticket, and the best way to boost a > "performance analysis". Not to disagree with much of your opinion, but from the officers I know, traffic stops are one of the scariest things a cop does. They have absolutely no idea who they're dealing with or what modd they're in or... Domestic disturbance? OK, probably some angry, violent, SOB around, maybe armed. Burglery? Probably armed, dangerous suspect - use caution, backups, etc. Pulled over a Civic for speeding? Um, who the hell knows??? Could be drunk, could have drugs in the car, no license, suspended license, desparate enough to flee or shoot... or maybe just someone like Rob fuming about the ticket they're about to get. How do you tell that he's ticked but not violent? He's in the car with all the hiding spots and you're outside a standing target... I still agree that the amount of speeding tickets vs. other much more dangerous offences is appalling, but don't think that doing a traffic stop is a trivial experience for the officer. - -- James Sheridan-Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] '98 323is National Capital Chapter '85 RX-7 GSL #?? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:34:57 -0500 From: "Osterbrink, Mark (AFS-Warren)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <WOB> M5's for sale I saw seven adds in Autoweek from people speculating on M5's, as in "best offer over MSRP." Why do I have this sudden urge to call them up several times over the course of several weeks, drive the bid sky high, then say "An M5? I'm sorry, there must be some sort of misunderstanding. I thought you were auctioning off a date with Denise Richards. I would never pay that much over list price for a car. Bye!" Is it bad for me to wish that these people lose their shirts on these cars? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:39:20 -0800 From: "Chao, Harvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: bad accident - maggots unlimited If speeding vs. public/individual safety REALLY was the primary issue for most speeding tickets, why would the following have occurred ? A family member is a police officer in a town up in NH. He was "ferrying" a car down to another family member in Fla. He got stopped on the NJ Turnpike for speeding, apparently showed the officer his shield and was let go with the following admonition - " For pete's sake, keep it under 85 !" How many of US would get off that easy? Harvey - I live with fear, death, and evil...but I used to be able to turn it off and use a Mac. " Author Unknown - Dragged over to the "Dark Side" under duress This day, Thursday, 9/16/99 - - A dark day indeed! - Failure is not an option. It comes bundled with your Microsoft product. -- Ferenc Mantfeld ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:40:59 -0500 From: "Lee Leslie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Anacronyms Obligatory BMW content... My 97 M3 gets terrible traction (D8000's - rear 9000's front) in the snow, but the ACS is AWESOME... while I do have to turn it off occasionally to get up hills @ Slow speed... it is still increadble... Q.. is it bad to floor it on ice w/ ACS on? Is it cutting the gas off so the wheels don't spend or is it just braking.. ? Now my real Question.. i've been around here for several years now, & send/recieve 70+ e-mails a day, but I am lost on all the abrevieations.. Is there a site somewhere? ie: LMAO! HBO - I am assuming we are not talking movies Etc... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:48:36 -0600 From: "John F Stoj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Brake advice please OK, the M3's at the dealer today for a pre-warantee inspection. They're doing a bunch of stuff free under warrantee, but I just got a call saying that my front brakes need rotors and pads and rears need pads. This seems reasonable as I figured at least pads were in order. They want $775 for the whole job. Now, here's the question: I have been considering putting a big-brake kit on the car for a while now. I am not, however, a track junkie - in fact, I expect my first event will be this spring. I am trying to decide whether to just have the dealer fix the stock brakes or take it in for a Brembo kit. The difference is about $2500. Please keep in mind that I have no place to do brake work myself, so I am willing to pay the dealer's mark-up. Thoughts please? - - John '97 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:49:39 -0600 From: "Fadeev, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: New To List > I"m new to the list. I live in Dallas Texas. I have been > keeping up will all my scheduled maintenances. I'm a bit confused, > I had a inspection II last summer. I went in for a oil change this > Monday. I would have thought during the oil change, they would > have reset everything. They didn't, they left the inspection light > on. The guy at the car dealership stated that I need an inspection > I. I would think both inspections are about the same. Celisa, Technically the two inspection types are different ('I' is a glorified oil change, 'II' actually involves changing disposable parts), but both are overpriced. The dealer should have reset your oil light regardless. Which dealership did you go to: Classic, Moriz or John R? All of them are bordering on pathetic, but there are a few good mechanics at John R if you can fight your way to them through the clueless tech writers. Autobahn in Fort Worth is much much better, but they are a bit too far from Dallas for regular maintenance. I would look for an independent mechanic instead, now that you are out of warranty. Having said that, it's easier said then done. I moved to TX 1 1/2 years ago and still am not 100% happy with local independents. If you live in north Dallas, drop me a line and I will tell you which independents to avoid in that area (hint: if you see Porsche's on the lot => you will be charged through the nose ;). good luck, and watch out for ice tonight. alex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:59:10 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] maggots, troopers, etc I can appreciate that troopers are real people, with families, friends and loved ones and that, yes, they do deal with situations that most of us would never want to be involved in. But after growing up and learning to drive in Maryland - where the enforcement of speed laws is (or at least was) so prominent that it was obvious what the troopers' number one task was -- your view of state troopers quickly became one of contempt. I had my fair share of getting pulled over for speeding in Maryland, and each and every time it happened I was treated like a second-class citizen that had just committed a heinous crime. I've lived in Florida since '91, and have been pulled over 5 times for speeding, all by troopers. The outcome of each? Two tickets and three warnings. Each time the trooper was polite and, egad, even friendly. I have found that the difference in the attitudes of the troopers in the two states is just tremendous. So, my vote is that troopers in Maryland are there for the revenue that tickets provide to the state, and those in Florida seem to have a better understanding of the true priorities of police work. Just my .02 Ken '95 325ic '85 911 <<sold, but not before getting a ticket for 89 in a 55 zone, with the Florida judge sending me to drivers class instead of levying any points. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:58:28 -0600 From: "Autowerks South, Inc." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] defaming maggots Gentlemen and Ladies of this List, Although I am a recovering attorney and try to avoid any litigation because of my full-time BMW shop, I have been contacted by a group of Maggots who desire to file a class action against Brett and the subscribers to this list for defamation. The Maggots believe that any comparison of them to police officers is damaging to their reputation. Please cease and desist in these practices immediately or we will be forced to take further action. James L. Wheeler Attorney at Law Autowerks South, Inc 2212 Hickory Avenue Harahan, LA 70123 504 738 2156 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:03:30 -0800 From: Greg Koenig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: [E36M3] Brake advice please > Now, here's the question: I have been considering putting a big-brake > kit on the car for a while now. I am not, however, a track junkie - in > fact, I expect my first event will be this spring. I am trying to > decide whether to just have the dealer fix the stock brakes or take it > in for a Brembo kit. The difference is about $2500. Please keep in > mind that I have no place to do brake work myself, so I am willing to > pay the dealer's mark-up. Whatever your choice is, if you go with the big brake kit, the best option in this category is the Mov'it kit from Steve D. Don't waste your money on the Brembo kits with the cracking rotors, expensive replacement parts and lower performance. Personally though, I say get the brakes done by the dealer... next time, plan ahead when you need brakes and get some of the cheep Brembo OEM rotors, some high quality (Fischer) SS lines, Ate Blue and some good quality pads. Greg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:10:37 -0500 From: "Bill Matthews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Anacronyms From: Lee Leslie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Now my real Question.. i've been around here for several years now, & > send/receive 70+ e-mails a day, but I am lost on all the abbreviations.. Is > there a site somewhere? > i.e.: > LMAO! > HBO - I am assuming we are not talking movies > http://www.acronymfinder.com/ http://www.ucc.ie/info/net/acronyms/index.html I like the first one best Bill Matthews Hockessin DE 00 MGeeze 3 Volvos ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:12:43 -0500 From: "Seth Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: [E36M3] Brake advice please John, If I were you and I had to get my brakes fixed for $775, I would upgrade the brakes. Here are my reasons for doing this: 1. You are doing your first driving school and I promise you will become addicted. This is the best drug that you can get that is still legal. After this one you will be wanting more and more. With the increase in desire and track experience you will go faster and the stock brakes will not work as efficiently as a Big Brake Kit. 2. They inspire a better felling about your car. When you are at the track and hear all this talk about warping rotors and running out of brakes, you don't have to worry about this like the other guys. You have the BIG BRAKES. 3. They look cool if you are just driving on the street. Now all these reasons are not the best data that you can collect on the brake kits. They are my opinion as why you should buy them. As for which set you should buy, I think the Porsche Brakes are the best. They are proven to help stop a Porsche Twin Turbo from 120-0 in 5.0 seconds flat and from 80-0 in 3.7 seconds and do this 10 times and not fade. Now that is a brake system to reckon with. As you might now the parts are only a Porsche dealer away and are fairly inexpensive. But then again I am biased in my opinion of them as I spent the $$$ to buy them for my car. But if you do get a set of brakes for the car you will not be disappointed. Seth Thomas www.m3power.com www.m3power.com/m3ltw.htm - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Stoj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 11:48 AM Subject: [E36M3] Brake advice please > > > OK, the M3's at the dealer today for a pre-warantee inspection. They're > doing a bunch of stuff free under warrantee, but I just got a call > saying that my front brakes need rotors and pads and rears need pads. > This seems reasonable as I figured at least pads were in order. They > want $775 for the whole job. > > Now, here's the question: I have been considering putting a big-brake > kit on the car for a while now. I am not, however, a track junkie - in > fact, I expect my first event will be this spring. I am trying to > decide whether to just have the dealer fix the stock brakes or take it > in for a Brembo kit. The difference is about $2500. Please keep in > mind that I have no place to do brake work myself, so I am willing to > pay the dealer's mark-up. > > Thoughts please? > > - John > > '97 M3 > > > > > ______________________________________________ > Faster, stronger and able to send millions > of emails in one click: the new Topica site! > http://www.topica.com/t/14 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:15:08 -0800 From: Eric Fournier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] How to kill a resistor Here's a question for the tech heads. I recently replaced a dead resistor on the auxiliary cooling fan's low speed circuit. Two days later, the new resistor is dead. No continuity (infinite resistance) when measured at the resistor. Could the fan have killed the new resistor? The fan still works at high speed and the rest of the circuit is working properly. Thanks, Eric GGC 87 E30 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:21:52 -0500 From: Peter H Reinhart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: [TheUUCGarage] Brake advice please John, All you need are a parking lot, a jack, a few tools, a friend and http://www.racepad.com/ Even if you're a shadetree newbie it'll only take you about 2 hrs to do the whole job. It's really quite simple, teach you a lot about the braking system on your car, and cost you less than $400. There are a number of track junkies on these lists that go through the whole operation under less than ideal garage conditions every time they hit the track. The money you save will buy you a driving school or a bagful of tools, but more important it'll lower the threshold to work on your car next time.... Save your money for the Mov'it kit after you've completed 5 or 6 schools....... Cheers, Peter At 10:48 AM 1/28/00 -0600, John F Stoj wrote: >From: "John F Stoj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >OK, the M3's at the dealer today for a pre-warantee inspection. They're >doing a bunch of stuff free under warrantee, but I just got a call >saying that my front brakes need rotors and pads and rears need pads. >This seems reasonable as I figured at least pads were in order. They >want $775 for the whole job. > >Now, here's the question: I have been considering putting a big-brake >kit on the car for a while now. I am not, however, a track junkie - in >fact, I expect my first event will be this spring. I am trying to >decide whether to just have the dealer fix the stock brakes or take it >in for a Brembo kit. The difference is about $2500. Please keep in >mind that I have no place to do brake work myself, so I am willing to >pay the dealer's mark-up. > >Thoughts please? > >- John > >'97 M3 > > > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >Looking for the lowest refinance rate for your mortgage? >GetSmart.com can help. We'll help you find the loan you >need - quick, easy, and FREE click ><a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/GetSmartRefinance ">Click Here</a> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:25:46 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Leung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] M5 brakes Greg Koenig writes to Andrew: >You are dead on in describing the fact that BMW is >building a road car here, but the fact of the matter >any "road car" with an M Badge is supposed to have >engineering which is directly descended from track >experience. But Greg, BMW is in the business of making road cars. Cars for driving on the road. Its BMW's marketing that gives us the perception that "M" might mean its...ohhhh....a RACE car. Witness PTG. Marketing. We all known M stands for marketing after the passing of the E30 M3. Not to say one type of M3 is any less nice as any other type of M3, but M these days stands for Marketing. (Before I get flamed, I have an e36 M-wannabe) >Here is the thing- Drive an M5 to the limit of it's >engine power (even with the speed limiter in place) >and you are going 155mph (250kmh). Throw the >puppy's anchor out, and I promise you that before you >hit 40mhp, your brakes are toasted, after ONE stop. I don't know if this is true b/c I have never driven (not ridden) an e39 M5 to 155 and hit the brakes. But BMW makes road cars. Who in the US (You and I live in the States Greg) drives to 155 mph and then hits the brakes to get to 0 ? >One of the cornerstones of BMW engineering has >been the fact that, unlike other car companies, they >usually design suspensions and brakes >for a car with a hundred more horsepower That's a "cornerstone" of BMW engineering? Really? Add a 100 lb-ft of torque and hp to an e36 and you will feel rear suspension bushings flex under load. BTDT. >I also understand your arguments about the >physics involved, but I disagree. Brake >performance on the M5, from a pure "Distance to Stop" >measurement is perfectly acceptable, as a matter of >fact, I think it beats the competition (E55 and that Jag). Well isn't that sufficient for road driving? >However, one should NOT be able to toast a set of brakes >after 5 laps of ANY race track short of the Nurburgring or >Hockenheum, not on an M car (www.bmwm5.com/race3.html). Why? Its a road car. They didn't design it for the track. The M-brand (its a brand now, remember?) exists to market the product as race-"inspired" design. Not a race design. Race "inspired." Shit, Nissan claimed that their Pathfinder was "inspired" by the Paris- Dakar Rally when it came out. Does that mean the Pathfinder can drive the same route as the Rally? No. What's the problem? If you don't like it, then replace the brakes on the M5 with those Guido-brakes you like so much. Do we complain to Reynard that their products don't work well on the street? Jason Leung 92 332i turbo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #140 ************************** _________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Bonneville Motorwerks . http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com | Circle Tire Co. (used & classic BMW parts) e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Curry's Auto Service . http://www.currysauto.com | Eurosport . http://www.eurosport-hp.com | Koala MotorSport . http://www.koalamotorsport.com | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | The Ultimate Garage . http://www.ultimategarage.com | UUC Motorwerks . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com | Zionsville Autosport . http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com ����������������������������������������
