[uucdigest] Friday, January 28 2000 Volume 03 : Number 143 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] Re: some good advice [uuc] RE:M5 sighting/pre-judging [uuc] BMW Service Info on CD Re: [uuc] RE:M5 sighting/pre-judging [uuc] Re: Cop Rave/Rant Re: [uuc] Clean car = enthusiast? Hah! [uuc] Re: FYI: Winter Warning - Scary Experience [uuc] Engineering Flaw in ASC?? [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] Bad Acc./Tickets/Maggot-calling, etc... Re: [uuc] Cop Rave/Rant (my last post, I swear!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:57:28 -0600 From: David Manderscheid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: some good advice A veteran of the recent East Coast Storm writes. > I took out my car for the first time since the frigid weather > hit the East Coast. I gave the car a few minutes to warm up, but not alot > considering that it had sat ice cold all week. I tried to quickly merge onto a > parkway. and all of a sudden, the steering wheel shook like hell! It was like > nothing I had experienced in twenty-five years of driving! > snip > " You > probably had a chunk of ice or snow in your wheel and it threw it > out-of-balance, but then melted or fell out by the time you got here." > snip > Moral of the story: If there is a major snow/ice storm, besides digging out your > car from the snow, look into the wheels and see if there is any snow or ice > stuck in there before you drive!! > Amen to that brother and the honeycomb wheels on E30s are particulary vulnerable to this with all their nooks and crannies. Happened to me just the other day after digging my car out at longterm parking at the airport. Had to pull over o the interstate under some less than ideal conditions and do some wheel kicking. This is something to keep in mind when buying winter wheels! Dave 91 325iX 61K ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 17:02:11 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] RE:M5 sighting/pre-judging Did you ever wonder how miserable of a life people must live if they feel so compelled to say things such as "must have a rich daddy" and other of like thoughts. What ever happened to good for him, he must have done something right! Is it to hard to just say that your jealous? Brian (looking for a sugar mamma, to buy me a ///M 5) Jacobs 98 318ti 99 Z3 coupe Everglades CCA [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 17:05:51 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] BMW Service Info on CD I just spoke with Linda K. Gronlund, BMW NA Manager for Environmental Compliance and Environmental Engineering, with respect to a problems a 'CCA member was having obtaining BMW service CDs such as TIS (the Technical Information System). Gronlund says that BMW NA has pulled the plug on Kent-Moore Tool. The new source for these CDs is Central Letter Shop, 800.695.0079 (voice), 877.695.0079 (fax). Mike Miller ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 16:09:25 -0600 From: "Celisa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] RE:M5 sighting/pre-judging This is too funny, but it's just so very true. People don't even consider, that even you were loved enough and cared for to recieve such gifts. Or even you work hard enough you deserve it. Regardless of what, why would anyone be so jealous as to even care. I know just what you mean. Just my two cents:) Celisa > Did you ever wonder how miserable of a life people must live if they feel so > compelled to say things such as "must have a rich daddy" and other of like > thoughts. What ever happened to good for him, he must have done something > right! Is it to hard to just say that your jealous? > Brian (looking for a sugar mamma, to buy me a ///M 5) Jacobs > 98 318ti > 99 Z3 coupe > Everglades CCA > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 17:23:09 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: Cop Rave/Rant I'm in wholeheart agreeance with John.. most of you involved in this "I Hat Cops" rant (Rob especially) really have no clue what it's like to be in the drivers seat of a patrol car. My advice would be to try it. I only speak from experience of family members and friends. As far as riding along w/a Trooper or any police officer, unfortunately, our state (NJ) doesn't allow these. Rob's Quotes were: >>1) passing me at 130mph on the NJ Turnpike with no lights or siren (numerous >>occassions). 130mph (Gasp!) ???? Come on, Rob. That's a major ASSUMPTION, unless you had a radar gun sitting in your lap. But even still, have you ever driven 130mph past someone? That's pretty damn noticeable, and if you didn't, I think someone other than yourself would've called the local barraks and reported the trooper. I don't even think the patrol cars do 130 (the last test I saw I think they do like 125, and even then, it takes them a while to get there). And numerous times?? I can tell you I've been passed by plenty of troopers on the turnpike, sometimes at high speeds. But even then, my guess would be around 90. Even still, did you ever stop to think that maybe they were on their way to a call? And for some reason didn't want to turn on the lights, or, maybe they forgot? Oh, we forget. They're not human. They're "ticket-writing" machines. >>2) running a red light in front of me crossing, also no lights or siren, once >>I was already in the intersection. Again, I have to ask myself - how could this be? That just blatant stupidity on the police officer's part, but come on - If you're in the middle of an intersection, a patrol car entering would HAVE to engage their sirens if they were coming. I don't know the circumstances but this one sounds too fishy for me to touch more than that. >>3) HIDING behind a bridge or bush instead of making his presence known... >>being visible keeps speeds down, hiding collects revenue. HIDING behind bridges causes the troopers to get an ACCURATE representation of traffic flow. If I was a trooper, I'd hide in the woods if I could. What's the sense of monitoring people's speeds if they see you and slow down?? You want a representation of their speed without the interference of them SEEING you. Call it whatever you like. You shouldn't be speeding in the first place, right? Just a little FYI - while most police agencies advertise their is "no such thing as a quota", a lot of agencies here in NJ ENCOURAGE the writing of at least 6 warnings or tickets per shift, per officer. How easy do you think it is to pull people over? Or find people doing something wrong? I don't wanna speak for any police officers on the list (are there any?) but I'm sure it's not as easy as you think. The idiots that are BLATANTLY disregarding the law and get caught deserve it. Hell, I have a rap sheet that's tremendous - but you know what? I deserve all of the tickets. I was at fault. Most troopers here in NJ have been "encouraged" NOT to pull over any motorist on any 55 or 65mph highway who is traveling 69mph or less. (unless in erratic fashion) Someone else mentioned police officers being able to get out of tickets easily - as unfair as it might sound, it's reality. Police officers call it "Professional courtesy." How many of you out there have PBA cards or FOP cards and expect to get out tickets just because you have one? Police officers share a very tight bond - they all put their lives on the line to perform their civic duties, and rightfully so, they respect each other. Call it unfair, but there's nothing anyone can do about it. It is a "perk" that goes along with putting their lives at risk day-in and day-out. I say they still deserve more. - -Ted '99 323i/4 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:23:06 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Yip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Clean car = enthusiast? Hah! Obviously the totally stock, shiny M3/4 - he wouldn't dream of "abusing" his car. You on the other hand... <G> - --- Jim Ochi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, who's the enthusiast? Who cares more about their car? I dunno > - all I know is that I glanced over and he had as big of a smile on his face as I did.... ===== Matthew Yip [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/mgyip/ '87 GTi 16v - x2 '88 M5 '99 F350 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 16:33:12 -0600 From: "Scott McLaughlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: FYI: Winter Warning - Scary Experience David relates an experience: <snip> I took out my car for the first time since the frigid weather hit the East Coast. I gave the car a few minutes to warm up, but not a lot considering that it had sat ice cold all week. I tried to quickly merge onto a parkway. and all of a sudden, the steering wheel shook like hell! ...... However, just before I got to Mike's, I was able to ease up to 70 MPH! ..... probably had a chunk of ice or snow in [the] wheel and it threw it out-of-balance, but then melted or fell out by the time you got here. <snip> David, your explanation is entirely possible, but just FYI, it is also possible that if the tire was warm from driving when you parked it the week before, it "froze" with a flat spot in it that became more pronounced over a week of sitting. When you drove it again, that flat spot made the wheel/tire out-of-balance. As you drove, the tire warmed up and became round again. I rarely drive my e30 more than once per week in winter, and I often experience this problem, though never as pronounced as you describe. Scott e30 with LSD and Hakka NRW's - great snow car! e28 Alpina - knows no snow ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 17:45:52 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Engineering Flaw in ASC?? I have a question for all you tech guys - figure this one out. My 1999 323i/4 is equipped w/ASC+T (Traction control). Upon leaving a spot filled w/ice and snow yesterday on the side of the road, the traction control decided to kick in, before the clutch was fully DISENGAGED. Now, obviously we know that the traction control cuts fuel flow. This caused the clutch to slip more than it should have. When I released the pedal fully, the clutch felt odd. Like the pedal was higher than it should have been. This happened to me 3 times during the course of the day, even when I failed to give it gas, the traction control would kick in and the clutch would slip worse, before I full disengaged it. Keep in mind, the entire episode only lasted a few seconds. (obviously enough to hurt the clutch). I ended up switching off the damn ASC. Now, today, I get in my car, and my clutch pedal is high - obviously, the clutch took some major wear. Could this be construed as an engineering flaw? Shouldn't there be a switch in the clutch pedal to tell the ASC NOT to activate until the clutch was fully released? - -Ted '99 323i/4 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 18:28:36 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] Bad Acc./Tickets/Maggot-calling, etc... In a message dated 1/28/00 1:54:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Not to disagree with much of your opinion, but from the officers I know, traffic stops are one of the scariest things a cop does. They have absolutely no idea who they're dealing with or what modd they're in or... Domestic disturbance? OK, probably some angry, violent, SOB around, maybe armed. Burglery? Probably armed, dangerous suspect - use caution, backups, etc. Pulled over a Civic for speeding? Um, who the hell knows??? Could be drunk, could have drugs in the car, no license, suspended license, desparate enough to flee or shoot... or maybe just someone like Rob fuming about the ticket they're about to get. How do you tell that he's ticked but not violent? He's in the car with all the hiding spots and you're outside a standing target... >> There is one fundamental and underlying premise we are missing here: Law Enforcement Officers tend to fall into a personality category. (The occupation tends to hold one of the highest percentages in terms of spousal abuse, as well.) For whatever reason (adrenaline rush, feeling of control, etc...) they CHOOSE to assume their role, and are fully aware of any related risks before they are asked to perform. Don't get me wrong - I personally know a few very solid individuals who are officers, but they seem to be the exception rather than the rule. If primarily interested in safety/serving/protecting, why would they not simply ask you to fasten your seatbelt instead of issuing a citation and incurring a fine? It smells like money conspiring with a little bit of a power trip to me... RobW ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 18:35:47 -0500 From: "Rob Levinson - UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Cop Rave/Rant (my last post, I swear!) This is my very last response because we've beaten this to death... - ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Cop Rave/Rant > >>1) passing me at 130mph on the NJ Turnpike with no lights or siren (numerous > >>occassions). > > 130mph (Gasp!) ???? Come on, Rob. That's a major ASSUMPTION, unless you > had a radar gun sitting in your lap. No radar gun, but when I'm cruising at 75 and he passes me like I'm stopped and it looks like he's doing about 55 relative to me... > But even still, have you ever driven > 130mph past someone? Past stationary objects so I know what it looks like. Driving past someone at 130 on a public road is just plain stupid. > That's pretty damn noticeable, and if you didn't, I > think someone other than yourself would've called the local barraks and > reported the trooper. Damn straight, I would have if I had a cell phone at the time. But I guess the Trooper thought it was safe. Probably used his judgement... just like anyone else could. > I don't even think the patrol cars do 130 (the last > test I saw I think they do like 125, and even then, it takes them a while to > get there). And numerous times?? Yes, numerous. When I would drive the Turnpike and Parkway on a daily basis at various times of the day, I'd get a lot of exposure. > I can tell you I've been passed by plenty > of troopers on the turnpike, sometimes at high speeds. But even then, my > guess would be around 90. And I suppose that's safe according to you and them, right? Guess what - it probably IS, which is why it's ludicrous that the public cannot do the same, conditions, driver, and car permitting. > Even still, did you ever stop to think that maybe > they were on their way to a call? That's an excuse? > And for some reason didn't want to turn on > the lights, or, maybe they forgot? They're not sneaking up on anybody on the Turnpike until they're right on top of them. If you're a Trooper and you're going somewhere in a hurry, especially at those speeds, you damn well better let people know you're coming. > Oh, we forget. They're not human. They're "ticket-writing" machines. No, they're victims of the insane bureacracy they work for that is out of the voter's control. > Again, I have to ask myself - how could this be? That just blatant stupidity > on the police officer's part, but come on - If you're in the middle of an > intersection, a patrol car entering would HAVE to engage their sirens if they > were coming. I don't know the circumstances but this one sounds too fishy > for me to touch more than that. Fishy, yeah sure. That's why I'm considering mounting a video camera that is recording whenever I'm driving. Hell, the mount is already there... You hit the nail on the head - blatant stupidity. He's got that itchy writing finger and he can only focus on his goal. > HIDING behind bridges causes the troopers to get an ACCURATE representation > of traffic flow. If I was a trooper, I'd hide in the woods if I could. > What's the sense of monitoring people's speeds if they see you and slow > down?? You want a representation of their speed without the interference of > them SEEING you. Call it whatever you like. You shouldn't be speeding in > the first place, right? <SPEW!!!> Okay, you've just proved my point: Troopers are interested mostly in punishment, not safety. Is the idea to write tickets or to keep people from speeding? If they're interested in safety, they would be moving along all the time with their lightbar flashing, letting the public know that they're "on the job". Is the concept that 'security' is only from visible elements foreign to law enforcement? Gee, the US wants to intimidate a foreign enemy - sail the ships nearby, fly some airplanes overhead, do nothing but be visible and everybody falls back into line. You want to protect your car, you get a flashing light on your dashboard and warning stickers on the windshield. Law enforcement wants to promote "safety"? They hide and keep people in a state of paranoia so they're looking at the sides of the road for hidden radar traps instead of paying attention to the road. A few years ago NJ tried some "blockers" - Trooper cars that drove up and down the GSP and NJTpk at 55mph, blocking traffic the entire time. Guess what - people complained. Gee, could there be a problem with a law that NOBODY obeys? It is no longer a law in the public interest. > Just a little FYI - while most police agencies advertise their is "no such > thing as a quota", a lot of agencies here in NJ ENCOURAGE the writing of at > least 6 warnings or tickets per shift, per officer. That's nice, assumption of guilt before the fact. Very American, NOT. >How easy do you think it > is to pull people over? Or find people doing something wrong? I don't wanna > speak for any police officers on the list (are there any?) but I'm sure it's > not as easy as you think. Then maybe they shouldn't do it as much. It would be quite safer for them. >The idiots that are BLATANTLY disregarding the law > and get caught deserve it. Hell, I have a rap sheet that's tremendous - but > you know what? I deserve all of the tickets. I was at fault. You deserve the tickets for the times you were driving dangerously. If you were in complete control, within reasonable limits of the vehicle and conditions, you were not dangerous. Driving at all presents specific dangers and velocity, despite the brainwashing that goes on, is an exceedingly minor factor. > Most troopers here in NJ have been "encouraged" NOT to pull over any motorist > on any 55 or 65mph highway who is traveling 69mph or less. (unless in erratic > fashion) That's wonderful of them. I get a "speedometer accuracy" leniency. How about strictly using unsafe behavior as a guideline instead of an arbitrary speed measurement? Nah, makes too much sense. > Someone else mentioned police officers being able to get out of tickets > easily - as unfair as it might sound, it's reality. Police officers call it > "Professional courtesy." How many of you out there have PBA cards or FOP > cards and expect to get out tickets just because you have one? Police > officers share a very tight bond - they all put their lives on the line to > perform their civic duties, and rightfully so, they respect each other. Call > it unfair, but there's nothing anyone can do about it. It is a "perk" that > goes along with putting their lives at risk day-in and day-out. How much more illogical can that be? If traffic violations affect "safety", then why would police encourage riskier behavior by letting each other get away with it? Seems they're doing each other a disservice. > I say they still deserve more. Respect is EARNED. Harassment and support of illogical laws garners no respect from me. Let em re-iterate: all of my ranting specifically refers to the cops and troopers that are responsible for the ridiculous behaviors I have discussed. I'm sure that *most* cops are great people, but it's the few that make their presence known more than the rest that make an impression on the public. The good ones need to take the bad ones aside and say "Hey, lighten up... or find different work." - - Rob ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #143 ************************** _________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Bonneville Motorwerks . http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com | Circle Tire Co. (used & classic BMW parts) e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Curry's Auto Service . http://www.currysauto.com | Eurosport . http://www.eurosport-hp.com | Koala MotorSport . http://www.koalamotorsport.com | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | The Ultimate Garage . http://www.ultimategarage.com | UUC Motorwerks . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com | Zionsville Autosport . http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com ����������������������������������������
