[uucdigest] Wednesday, February 9 2000 Volume 03 : Number 228 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] OK So I'm Going to Open myself up the Flames from our Venusian Digesters [uuc] Rob's Take on Car vs. Man [uuc] RE: where is JimC [uuc] Re: M5 vs. Dodge Viper [uuc] <FS>: BBS 16X8 3 piece rims, tires. Re: [uuc] FS: Price Reduced - E32 MSW Alloys + Dunlop Snow Tires [uuc] WTB: 1993/94 325i/is [uuc] E28 no power [uuc] Re: Weight of the New M5 [uuc] Re: [UUC] <WOB> 'lil Chester stories RE: [uuc] <FS>: BBS 16X8 3 piece rims, tires. [uuc] M5? Viper? Are you joking? RE: [uuc] RE:Duanes New ride [uuc] Re: Is the New M5 a porker? Re: [uuc] WANTED: E30 M3 1990-1991 Black or Silver in color. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:36:29 -0800 From: "KKiely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] OK So I'm Going to Open myself up the Flames from our Venusian Digesters Jim's getting (gotten) married. Great news....... maybe Jim can now develop a performance chip for the "gentler sex", one that'll boost performance but on regular fuel, and cure those "nagging" little torque problems but still remain "garage friendly" and willing to rev at a moments notice. Just a joke....OK. : ) - -Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:40:24 -0800 From: "KKiely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Rob's Take on Car vs. Man Good one Rob. LOL - -Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:07:41 -0800 From: "Jerry Chyo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: where is JimC Kurt wrote: > > We also seem to forget that Jim has a full-time day job as a system > engineer/security expert. We've all been there. Maybe he should start saying NO so folks won't begin making plans and arranging sites for him. If you've been on the list any length of time, you would know this isn't an isolated occurrence. Making excuses for him is fine, but the bottom line is he has said he would do something and hasn't followed through. Numerous times. We're all overloaded at times and I'm sure everyone has done this before. Doesn't make is okay to the folks who spent time arranging his visits though. Any volunteers to be his personal secretary? Jerry Chyo '88 M5 '72 tii ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:37:31 -0800 From: "Scott D Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: M5 vs. Dodge Viper I keep having to remind y'all of the proper Bimmerhead philosophy: You buy a BMW because you want a sports car, but you need a back seat. Hey, it isn't my fault that BMW designed a couple of cars where they plum forgot the back seat! Is that MY fault? I think not. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA #44977 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 12:49:23 -0800 From: Jerry Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <FS>: BBS 16X8 3 piece rims, tires. Boys and girls, Here's your chance to get rid of those TRXs and upgrade to a quality rim/tire package. These rims will fit all 6 series, as well as 5 series (although rear fender rolling will probably be necessary on E28s), E32 7 series, and probably E30 M3s (but might need spacers). For Sale, from my '88 635 CSi, 1 set of 16X8 ET11 BBS 3 piece cross-spoke rims. They're in excellent shape, though not perfect (minor curb rash on 1 or 2 of them), and are straight and true. These are the high-dollar 3 piece rims with the bolts around the gold centers. Screw-in BBS bolt covers and the removal tool are included. Even the lug bolts, and BMW locks, if you want them. In other words, complete. Can be had with or without Yokohama 245/45-16 AVS Sports, although if they need to be shipped, I'd suggest getting the tires anyway, to protect the rims from potential shipping damage. If you take the tires, I'll have a new spin balance done. The Yoks are maybe 1/2 done. I'm in Santa Clara, zip 95051, if you want to figure out shipping costs. Point your browser at www.bimmerheads.com, and follow the Gallery link to see a couple not-very-good pics of the Red Six with these rims and tires. I don't really know what their market value is, so please feel free to make me a reasonable offer. Thanks, - -jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:51:39 -0800 From: "Scott D Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] FS: Price Reduced - E32 MSW Alloys + Dunlop Snow Tires >Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 08:40:37 -0500 >From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [uuc] FS: Price Reduced - E32 MSW Alloys + Dunlop Snow Tires > >Don't these also fit an E34? > >Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes, they do. As for the E23, E24 and E28 (and probably also the E12), while the wheels fit, the tires are too tall and, in some cases, too wide. This is probably why the original posting only said "wheels will also fit...". Ha. I never knew Dunlop made a Snow Qualifier. What kind of "qualifying" would one be doing in the snow? I can only imagine, and what I imagine would involve something with studs... Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA #44977 >> STILL AVAILABLE/PRICE REDUCED: >> >> FS: For E32 7-Series - Set of 4 - MSW 15x7" basket-style alloy wheels >>w/locking >> center caps and lug bolts, and a set of 4 - mounted Dunlop 225/60-15 >>Qualifier snow >> tires -70% tread. $450 + shipping from N.E. Ohio. Wheels will also fit >E23, E24 >> and E28 cars (21mm offset). >> >> More details & photos at: http://www.go-preciousmetals.com/msw/index.htm >> >> Mark Borchik ------------------------------ Date: 09 Feb 2000 14:46:11 -0600 From: Vijay Nuthulapaty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] WTB: 1993/94 325i/is Looking to buy a 1993-95 325. The car has to be a 5-speed and less than 100k miles. The less options the car has the better. Kelly Blue Book's retail value for a 100k mile 1993 325i is $12.5k. That is the ballpark I am looking at. If you want more (because of modifications or anything) ignore this. If anyone has any leads, please contact me via e-mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Vijay ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 16:16:55 -0500 From: "Phemister, George" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] E28 no power <<<<<<From: "Pharr, Jeff" Subject: [uuc] E28 no power Are you suggesting that the car will actually run with an inoperative in-tank fuel pump? Seems like this should be easy to check. If it is working properly, would I be able to hear it if I pull up the carpet in the trunk? Fuel filter is another good suggestion.>>>>>>>>>. Mine did! Just puts an extra load on the main pump. You have to pull the mat and the access cover. First check for incoming voltage, and then try the screwdriver in the ear to listen for a hum. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 16:23:30 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: Weight of the New M5 In a message dated 2/9/00 2:48:18 PM Central Standard Time, Ray Kang writes: << The original E-28 M5 weighed about 3200# The current M5 weighs about 4000# (2 tons!), albeit with much more horsepower. But, the Mercedes E55 weighs 3600#, with a slushbox and slightly bigger engine. For reference, a 1980 Cadillac Seville weighs 3800#. No matter what electronics compensators and engineering advances BMW makes on new models, somehow I can't help but feel that the weight gain of these cars is detracting from what a lighter car could provide in terms of driving experience. >> Different strokes for different folks, but this is *exactly* why I scoured the country for an excellent E28 M5, even though E34 versions, or E36 M3s, were within my budget. Well, said, Ray! There are a TON (hee hee) of nice features to the newer, heavier cars, but it is my personal preference to go for best driver feel and feedback (or at least my version of it) over all else. - --Bob DiLeonardi Windy City Chapter BMW CCA '88 ///M5 47k miles <----Can't wait for the snow and salt to go away so I can change this <sigh> Many former Bimmers ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 16:37:08 -0500 From: "Ellie MacDougall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: [UUC] <WOB> 'lil Chester stories > Ok, sinec Ellie MacDougall egged me on...I'll continue... Oh ho! So Chester's outrageously pubescent stories are _my_ fault now?! Sheesh! Question: Chester, where did you get Clark Griswold's non-caloric silicon-based kitchen lubricant that you apparently applied to the underside of those innertubes ;-? Ellie - -- Need a quick virtual vacation? Visit our Maine farm at http://www.blueskyfarm.com/ - -- "The world is a mountain. What we do is a shout. The echo comes back to us." Jelaluddin Rumi ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 16:53:43 -0500 From: "Cagann, Alexander" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] <FS>: BBS 16X8 3 piece rims, tires. Jerry, those are awesome. How low will you go on them? I really want them! Alex Cagann 88///M5 > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 3:49 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [uuc] <FS>: BBS 16X8 3 piece rims, tires. > > > Boys and girls, > > Here's your chance to get rid of those TRXs and upgrade to a quality > rim/tire package. These rims will fit all 6 series, as well > as 5 series > (although rear fender rolling will probably be necessary on > E28s), E32 7 > series, and probably E30 M3s (but might need spacers). > > For Sale, from my '88 635 CSi, 1 set of 16X8 ET11 BBS 3 piece > cross-spoke rims. They're in excellent shape, though not > perfect (minor > curb rash on 1 or 2 of them), and are straight and true. These are the > high-dollar 3 piece rims with the bolts around the gold centers. > Screw-in BBS bolt covers and the removal tool are included. > Even the lug > bolts, and BMW locks, if you want them. In other words, complete. > > Can be had with or without Yokohama 245/45-16 AVS Sports, although if > they need to be shipped, I'd suggest getting the tires anyway, to > protect the rims from potential shipping damage. If you take > the tires, > I'll have a new spin balance done. The Yoks are maybe 1/2 done. > > I'm in Santa Clara, zip 95051, if you want to figure out > shipping costs. > Point your browser at www.bimmerheads.com, and follow the Gallery link > to see a couple not-very-good pics of the Red Six with these rims and > tires. > > I don't really know what their market value is, so please feel free to > make me a reasonable offer. > > Thanks, > -jerry > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:02:41 +1100 From: "Thomas, Andrew j" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] M5? Viper? Are you joking? The M5 vs Viper story is tickling my risibilities, not just because the argument is about one car I can't even buy and another that costs nearly a quarter of a million local dollars. This argument is like comparing an E46 318i and a Lotus Elise. Both have 118 bhp and cost about the same. But one is a luxurious mini-limo, one is an out-and-out, single-purpose sports car. I can't think of a poorer match, myself. Perhaps the M5 ought to be measured against Chrysler's fastest 4-door sedan (after a trip to J.C. Whitney to load it up with modifications to bring it to US$80k). Then conduct a long-term test again in 100,000 miles. Also for those that missed this thread the first time round, the claim of 1.2 lateral g was based on ability at the track, not based on skidpan figures. I am sorry that BMW did not apply to the almighty Car & Driver to provide proof of its roadholding ability. I would imagine, given the extremely tight laws governing advertisements in countries where the M5 is sold, that there is probably some documentation somewhere that says the M5 can pull 1.2 g. No laws are more anally-retentive that those administered by the humourless jobsworths at the Advertising Standards Authority in the UK, where the 1.2 g advert has been running for several months. And the ASA would love to shut BMW down (BMW was the UK's scapegoat for mismanagement and poor QA at Rover during its brief bout of rare patriotism about a year or two ago). I imagine that there are several cars out there - CLK GTR, 360 Modena, Z coupe, Viper - that can pull at least 1.2 g on the track as well, under the same conditions. But BMW is using it to advertise its cars, and that has obviously upset a few people. Andy T "This email is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. When addressed to our clients, any opinions or advice contained in this email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client engagement letter. 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BMW >handles and drives like it's on rails and weighs 100's of pounds lighter. Actually the MB is about 400lbs lighter! 4000lb M5 and 3600lb E55 Rick Key 95 ///M3 (waiting for a wrecked E46 M3 to steal the engine... oh yea I guess they have to buils one first ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:56:15 -0800 From: "Jonathan Reiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] WANTED: E30 M3 1990-1991 Black or Silver in color. Hey! Just emailed you! At any rate, I would consider a fair price to be about 14,000 only if the car is excellent condition. Now keep in mind we are talking about a car which is 9-13 years old so excellent condition differs from what I would consider an E36 M3 to be in excellent condition. If the car has low mileage, zero rust, is the first or second owner, has never been in a major accident (trust me - you can tell real easily), has all the original parts in the car, and is overall on good shape? Pay 14.... if you get it for 11-12 - you're stealin.... jump on it. Anything over 14k would require the car to be in concours condition. If the owner is only asking 8-11k it is probably not worth buying but take a look anyway. Try not to purchase a car that has been heavily modified (Turbo charger, supercharger etc), tracked and put back together etc. I have been looking very hard for a couple of years with no luck..... But with the advent of the BMW mailing lists I would think you can find a car fairly easily now and I am ramping up my search so I can get rid of my '97 328iC while waiting for my new E46 M3..... Hope this helps. - ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 6:54 AM Subject: Re: [uuc] WANTED: E30 M3 1990-1991 Black or Silver in color. > Hi. > I am also looking for one and wonder what you have determined is a reasonable > price for these vehicles 89/90/91. > > Chris > > Jonathan Reiser wrote: > > > I am looking to purchase a 1990 or 1991 E30 M3 preferably Black or Silver in > > decent shape and low mileage. Will only consider one which is stock or has > > modest modifications and was not a dedicated track car. This would be used > > as a primary car until I take delivery of an E46. At which time it would > > become the new money pit hobby car. Anyone who has one and is looking to > > sell it or knows of one for sale please email me. > > > > TIA > > > > Jon Reiser > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #228 ************************** _________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Bonneville Motorwerks . http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com | Circle Tire Co. (used & classic BMW parts) e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Curry's Auto Service . http://www.currysauto.com | Eurosport . http://www.eurosport-hp.com | Koala MotorSport . http://www.koalamotorsport.com | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | The Ultimate Garage . http://www.ultimategarage.com | UUC Motorwerks . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com | Zionsville Autosport . http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com ����������������������������������������
