[uucdigest] Wednesday, February 9 2000 Volume 03 : Number 227 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: RE: [uuc] I can admit I've got a problem [uuc] <WTB> E36 Parts [uuc] RE:Duanes New ride [none] [uuc] M5 vs Viper vs XXX..... [uuc] RE: Americas most loved (new) cars [uuc] Religious track experience [uuc] WANTED: E30 M3 rear sway bar [uuc] <E30> License Plate Lights [uuc] <WOB> Coke, teeth, and urban legends [uuc] Re: Is the New M5 a Porker? Re: [uuc] Basic Physics Question Continued! Another Question. [uuc] water pumps Re: [uuc] re re: uuc] M5 vs. Dodge Viper and American Cars [uuc] Taken to the Cleaner's? [uuc] <WOB> Vipers, M5's, and German Engineering ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:19:10 -0700 From: "vanderHeide, Alain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] I can admit I've got a problem - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Foos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 10:39 AM To: BMW Digest-Post (E-mail) Subject: [uuc] I can admit I've got a problem [snip] P.S. Blizzak MZ-01s have wonderfully predictable handling. - -----Original Message----- By "predictable" do you mean "They'll scare the whee out of you on dry pavement?" If so, I agree. When I have 'em on, occasionally I'll forget that they're there, and I'll try to whip around a turn on the dry. The results are Not Pretty. They don't feel real linear to me. But, boy howdy they're jes' peachy when the roads are slick. Fun for an ice gymkhana too. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:16:19 -0500 From: "VincentMathew Malfa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <WTB> E36 Parts Good day all, I'm trying to get a feel for the availability of the following items: - -95 M3 S50USB30 Camshafts (Alex Long, you and I once spoke about these, but your email address has been long since lost...) - -(1) 95 M3 17x7.5 10 split spokes cast wheel - -(1) 15x7 early 3-series wheel - -235/40-17 rubber - -H&R, Bilstein, Koni and other suspension components PLease let me know if you or your friends are looking to part with any of these items. Thanks, Matt M. 94 325is - Time for a project or two... BTW, Just hardwired my V1 and console mounted concealed display, took about 40 minutes. If you're like me and just hadn't gotten around to it, maybe this'll prove how easy it is: I did the whole job using only my LeatherMan. Oh, and there's nothing to fear about removing the A-pillar interior trim. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:21:13 -0500 From: "George, Zachariah (CICG Development)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE:Duanes New ride Dave Fansworth already found a name for it: "the Ultimate SUV"! Really, Honest! -- see February Roundel: page 18. Zach '94 325i w/sport pkg. 5-spd. Sharked. > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 09:55:35 -0600 > From: Michael Weishaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [uuc] Duane's new ride > > So, I was just curious if the new ride is going to be "badge > engineered" > like the ol' Bambislayer was. I had a thought for it that would be > pretty simple: replace the 0 with a 7 > > 747i > > :) > > Michael > 88 M3 > > Duane Collie wrote: > > > > - Duane Collie > > The Seven Sled > > ------------------------------ > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 08:42:04 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Fluharty) Subject: [none] Mike Olsen says: "I have two E30's driven year-round and have seen many others that are rotting out around the license plate lights on the rear of the car. I'm hoping to have both cars painted this summer (dreaming about is more like it), and am wondering if there's a way to prevent this from recurring." Mike - I had this problem too (real common to E30's). I think the rust starts with the little slide-on nut clips which accept the light mounting screws. The body is galvanized, the light is plastic, the screws are stainless, but the nut clip is just ordinary steel and rusts, and then that can spread to the body. After fixing the rust, I mounted new lights using little pieces of stiff plastic instead of the clips. Just cut some half-inch squares and drill appropriate-sized holes. Two years and no sign of recurrance. Only downside is you can't change the bulbs without exposing the backside by pulling out the mousefir. But these are not frequent-replacement bulbs. Hope this helps. Bob '87 325is Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:28:39 -0700 From: "Rob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] M5 vs Viper vs XXX..... Guys, the E39 M5 is one of the worlds finest cars but here are a few comments: 1-The M5 does NOT pull 1.2g on ANY skid pad unless you have Velcro tires and a suction system! It *might* hit a peak of 1.2g in a corner but that is not the same as comparing the Vipers 0.96g on the skidpad. 2-The Viper GTS is 600lbs lighter, has 50HP and 120ish TQ more and 335's on the back.....are any of you seriously wondering if an M5 will keep up.....gimme a BREAK! 3-Lap times.....again are you serious? Please see above if you have any doubts! The E39 M4 brakes have already been criticized by the Euro press for fading and shuddering under severe, the Viper brakes are fine unless you go the Henessey way :-) 4-The M5 has tons of great luxo features, carries 4 people in style and comfort, will take a skiers deep into the Rockies........well you get the picture.....the Viper won't do any of those things........ 5-Who even started to compare these two totally different types of cars? Rob ex-'91 M5 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:28:19 -0500 From: "George, Zachariah (CICG Development)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: Americas most loved (new) cars BMW's 3-Series and 7-Series won out in the entry-luxury and premium luxury segments, respectively. http://carpoint.msn.com/Browse/win_2879.asp Four volkswagens took top honors in the categories they competed. I have to agree. The new VW's do look very upscale. Zach '94 325i w/sport pkg. 5-spd. Sharked. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 10:39:53 -0800 From: Steve Albrecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Religious track experience Duane spoke of his religious track experience with Bill Auberlin and also mentioned the Dodge Neon. Last year I went to Laguna Seca the Friday before our track school weekend just to hang out for a bit. There was a Skip Barber class going on at the time so I asked one of the instructors for a ride in a pace car. "No problem" I was told, just sign the waiver and off ya go. Well... the pace cars are Neons with street Michelin tires and I wasn't expecting a lot. Little did I know what was in store. Contained in this little Neon was the instructor, a real student, and me in the back seat, not a well balanced load. So off we go with two students in tow behind us in the beautiful formula Dodge open wheel cars. We took a slow lap to warm the tires, and it was no big deal. The instructor was talking the entire time telling us where to shift, brake, and accelerate. By the fourth lap, I began to notice that we were going pretty fast now, not so much on the straights, but through the corners. The five story drop down the corkscrew became breathtaking and my ears popped. We were cooking around #9 and into #10 when the instructor announced he just lost a student. Yep, one of the formulas spun trying to keep up with the instructor in the Neon. Next lap...the other student spun around #2 (the Andretti hairpin). All the while this instructor is chatting with us, looking over his shoulder at me in the back seat, and hardly ever looking at the track. He said he had 'thousands' of laps on Laguna. Obviously we weren't going as fast as Auberlin in a PTG car, however, it was sure enlightening to see how fast a good driver could get a around that track, even in a 'lesser' car. I have no idea what our lap times were, but I remember the two students behind us looked wasted after the twenty lap session was over. The instructor stayed in his Neon, ready for the next group of students. This was a very impressive introduction to Laguna Seca. I wish I could say I did as well during our track school the following two days. Steve Albrecht Golden Gate Chapter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:41:24 -0700 From: "Rob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] WANTED: E30 M3 rear sway bar I need a stock rear sway bar from an E30 M3. With or without end links okay. Thanks Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:01:15 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Fluharty) Subject: [uuc] <E30> License Plate Lights (Sorry - no subject in previous post) Mike Olsen says: "I have two E30's driven year-round and have seen many others that are rotting out around the license plate lights on the rear of the car. I'm hoping to have both cars painted this summer (dreaming about is more like it), and am wondering if there's a way to prevent this from recurring." Mike - I had this problem too (real common to E30's). I think the rust starts with the little slide-on nut clips which accept the light mounting screws. The body is galvanized, the light is plastic, the screws are stainless, but the nut clip is just ordinary steel and rusts, and then that can spread to the body. After fixing the rust, I mounted new lights using little pieces of stiff plastic instead of the clips. Just cut some half-inch squares and drill appropriate-sized holes. Two years and no sign of recurrance. Only downside is you can't change the bulbs without exposing the backside by pulling out the mousefir. But these are not frequent-replacement bulbs. Hope this helps. Bob '87 325is Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 14:03:12 -0500 From: Mark Yarger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <WOB> Coke, teeth, and urban legends A tooth will make it just fine overnight in a glass of coke. See: http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/cokelore.htm Cheers, Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 14:09:49 -0500 From: "Joseph C. Volpe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Is the New M5 a Porker? Well, if you have actually driven an M5 and a MB E 55, you wouldn't have a doubt. The M5's engine has about the same torque but 50 more Hp. Not to mention it is a 6 speed Vs a 5 speed slush box. The two go about suspension tuning in a completely different way. MB does it the American way. Stiff springs and shocks with a bone jarring ride. BMW handles and drives like it's on rails and weighs 100's of pounds lighter. Yet it doesn't beat you up at all. The two just don't compare (read C&D and Roundel). You just gotta drive it! I am considering getting rid of my 99 NSX for one! Joe BMW CCA > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([uucdigest]) > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:00:25 -0500 (EST) > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [uucdigest] V3 #226 > > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:51:14 -0600 > From: "Ray Kang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [uuc] Is the New M5 a Porker? > > The original E-28 M5 weighed about 3200# > > The current M5 weighs about 4000# (2 tons!), albeit with much more > horsepower. > > But, the Mercedes E55 weighs 3600#, with a slushbox and slightly bigger > engine. > > For reference, a 1980 Cadillac Seville weighs 3800#. > > No matter what electronics compensators and engineering advances BMW makes > on new models, somehow I can't help but feel that the weight gain of these > cars is detracting from what a lighter car could provide in terms of driving > experience. Imagine how the new M5 would perform if the BMW weighed what the > E55 weighs! > > Ray > > Ride with the Best! > http://mnhsta.freeservers.com/ > > Fast toys, and fast rides lead to stories! > http://www.users.uswest.net/~kkang/Ray%20Page.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:05:04 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Basic Physics Question Continued! Another Question. That is because the tire footprint is wide but short. This shape resists twisting more than a long and narrow footprint. If the footprint does not twist, all the tread elements in it can operate near peak traction. If the footprint twists, some elements have low traction, some are at peak, and some are sliding beyond peak. Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Now that I've gone a little overboard with this stuff, can someone tell me why the steering is better with wider tires. > > Thanks in advance. > > Neil Deshpande ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:59:05 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] water pumps Which model years of the M50/M50TU engine have the plastic impeller water pump? I would like to know so I can change it before it fails. I have a '95 525iT with the M50TU (single VANOS) engine. Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 13:11:55 -0600 From: Ted Arneson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] re re: uuc] M5 vs. Dodge Viper and American Cars Actually, the C5 debuted at last years 24 hrs. Fast, but reliability issues. This year even faster, but still the reliability issue. Next year could be the year. Ted Matthew wrote: In all seriousness, the Viper has been racing for 3 years or so which has given Daimler/Chrysler a huge jump in development. Chevy just started with this new Corvette - not a bad first showing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:26:07 -0800 From: "KKiely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Taken to the Cleaner's? Celisa, It may be that you are being taken to the cleaner's. The car ran normally up until you went to the car wash correct? In which case it appears that you have the problem which others have noted about the DME compartment flooding and getting water on the control boards. In this case, a good rinse off with Isopropyl would drive out the water. You don't need a new $1,400 fix. I hope other 3 owner's will weigh in on this. Also, you will probably have to shell out some money on certain repairs even with a car under warranty. - -Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:30:01 -0500 From: "Osterbrink, Mark (AFS-Warren)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <WOB> Vipers, M5's, and German Engineering > PS- It just bothers me how some people can be so infactuated with these > crude American cars that are just compiled together instead of designed and > engineered to eprfection! Infactuated? Eprfection? Hope you're not one of those German engineers! ;) My thoughts on this subject: 1) The Viper is a very cool car. To dismiss it summarily seems to indicate more snobbery than enthusiasm. It broke a lot of ground in the "concept to production" arena, demonstrating that cool cars don't have to be watered down for production. (Unspoken 1a, the M5 is also very cool - don't think I need to mention that to this crowd- and also completely different from the Viper.) 2) As far as the M5 pulling 1.2 g's, I remember seeing that number also. It isn't all that difficult to do, although my guess is that the potential for class action lawsuits over tires that wore out in 500 miles put the nix on 1.2 and brought about 0.9. 3) German engineering (and superiority to American engineering). While the Germans are thorough and meticulous, they also tend to use unnecessarily complicated (and expensive)solutions. And while there are plenty of American automotive engineers who think that the measure of one's engineering prowess is how many free lunches you can beat out of suppliers, there are an awful lot of really good ones thrown in the mix, ones how can produce German results at an American price. The main difference between the German and American auto companies is who runs them. To quote Piech (VW's head man) "One hundred percent engineers with a finance education is optimum.". Then we have GM, who's top people used to sell soap and toothpaste. I'm surprised that the 2000 models don't have "New and Improved!" stickers all over them. "The first sign of trouble is when lawyers take over the top jobs." Just my thoughts... ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #227 ************************** _________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Bonneville Motorwerks . http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com | Circle Tire Co. 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