[uucdigest] Friday, February 11 2000 Volume 03 : Number 242 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] <E28> Exhaust Question [uuc] Air Bags. [uuc] Airbags and police [uuc] Re:airbags [uuc] Re:airbag [uuc] Re: E30 Window motors RE: [uuc] Air Bags. [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] V3 #239 [uuc] Re: Stupid!! - Really? BA Re: [uuc] Air Bags. [uuc] Re: Deactivating/removing E34 airbag (long) Not anymore. BA Re: [uuc] <WOB> active noise suppression [uuc] Fw: 02 BULBS >>>> L200247 RE: [uuc] Emissions failure and occillating idle on 535i ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 12:06:55 -0600 From: greg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <E28> Exhaust Question .I need to make a quick decision about what replacement muffler or entire exhaust system to install on my '84 533i. The 533i has a Dinan performance chip and Dinan stage III suspension and short shift kit. Should I stay with the stock muffler or go with SuperSprint or some other performance system. My main concern is to preserve the integrity of the vehicle for the street. Any thoughts from anyone who has had experience with this issue or simply has an opinion will be appreciated. Greg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:06:01 -0500 From: "Pat Donahue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Air Bags. I won't weigh in with all the information from NHTSA's website, ignorant people are going to find a way to interpret _any_ result in the way they want. If they're killed because they disconnected that "grenade" in front of them then maybe a couple other folks'll learn from it and the gene pool has been improved yet again. Here's a page showing direct comparisons between belted dummies with and without air bags. http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/airbags/abvideos.html Pat Donahue NHTSA Webmaster (always buckled, always happier with an air bag in front of me) ps, would someone provide me the URL for that report allegedly on the NHTSA site that says air bags only help 5% of the time or whatever? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:16:04 -0800 From: "John Coffin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Airbags and police A new trick for crimminals in car chases is to ram the front of the police car to set off the airbag and disable the driver and/or car. When the patrol car gets close they brake hard and get rear end activiting the police car airbag. - -John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:20:37 -0500 From: "Joseph C. Volpe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re:airbags I seem to remember the ONLY person in Princes Diana's car that lived was the body guard who was warring a seatbelt and his airbag went off. If it weren't for both, he would be dead! And FYI- Derrick Thomas's airbags didn't go off because there was no frontal collision. The ratio of lives saved vs. lost to airbags is 12 to 1. I like those odds! Especially because this whole stupid thread was caused by someone who wanted to remove an airbaged wheel for aesthetic reasons not an airbag reason. Joe BMW CCA 92 535i Sharked (with and airbag) 72 3.0 CS > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([uucdigest]) > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:30:45 -0500 (EST) > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [uucdigest] V3 #239 > > Matthew Yip Wrote: > > >> Windbags, er airbags aren't all they're cracked up to be. Just ask >> the KC Chiefs player that was killed when his Stupid Useless Vehicle >> rolled - no seatbelt BUT lots of windbags. Don't know if you've read >> all the negatives to windbags - namely causing decapitation in >> PROPERLY BELTED children and short folk. Side windbags that do the >> same thing - do you really think this is a good thing too? >> >> Given my druthers, I'd like to disable my windbag - I'll sign a >> release that says I'd prefer to walk away from the accident without >> two broken arms and a broken nose from the windbag. Just like people >> that are killed w/o seat belts, if someone wants to disable a windbag >> AND knows all the risks, let'em. If they're killed, they got their >> just rewards. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:20:38 -0500 From: "Joseph C. Volpe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re:airbag If you have any family, I send flowers after you horrible death! Joe > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([uucdigest]) > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 11:54:47 -0500 (EST) > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [uucdigest] V3 #240 > > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:51:01 EST > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [uuc] Re: Airbag Removal > > I removed the airbag from my E30 318iS and never looked back. I wear either > seatbelts or Schroth Rally 4s everytime I leave the driveway. > > I will say that I made a good faith effort at getting used to that big ugly > airbag wheel. But every Bimmer I've ever owned got a MOMO Monte Carlo, and > after a few months I realized it was a losing battle. And I had found a 380mm > MOMO Monte Carlo with a polished aluminum center to match my MOMO > Competitzione aluminim shift knob. It had to be done. Especially after my > buddy turned the key on with the instrument cluster out and coded the SRS, > rendering the system inoperative anyway. The dealer wanted $400 to turn the > damn light out and reactivate the system (apparently, you can't use the DIS > tester to uncode the SRS on a '91 318iS -- you have to open the wiring > harness). No thanks; out it came. Screw resale; I'll keep it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:22:21 -0500 From: "Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: E30 Window motors It's not the motor, it's the regulator. However, take a good look at the teeth on the motor before re-installing to ensure they aren't damaged, which will in turn damage the new regulator. Brett Anderson www.koalamotorsport.com Home of the E30 M3 CD-ROM repair manual > From: "Olsen, Mike (Morse TEC Ithaca)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [uuc] E30 Window motors > > I think I've heard discussion before that if you hear noises like a gear > skipping teeth when the window hits the top of it's travel rather than > stopping, then it's time for a new motor. Is that right, or is there > something else I should look at first? > > Thanks, > > Mike Olsen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:21:25 -0800 From: "John Coffin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Air Bags. That's one flexible seat. It must move over 8 inches! Fixed the seat before fixing the steering wheel! - -John - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Pat Donahue Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 10:06 AM To: digest Subject: [uuc] Air Bags. I won't weigh in with all the information from NHTSA's website, ignorant people are going to find a way to interpret _any_ result in the way they want. If they're killed because they disconnected that "grenade" in front of them then maybe a couple other folks'll learn from it and the gene pool has been improved yet again. Here's a page showing direct comparisons between belted dummies with and without air bags. http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/airbags/abvideos.html Pat Donahue NHTSA Webmaster (always buckled, always happier with an air bag in front of me) ps, would someone provide me the URL for that report allegedly on the NHTSA site that says air bags only help 5% of the time or whatever? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:27:02 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Fennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] V3 #239 Yip wrote: > The only caveat > is that parents need to teach their kids about using their knowledge > intelligently. Racing is for race tracks and race cars. Driving is > for everday. Don't get the two confused. You can teach a teenager anything you want, except maturity. The only thing that kept my friends and I alive (did you know you can put a Honda Accord on three wheels? we have photos) was the hopelessly under-capable cars we drove. Sure, you can crash a 4 cylinder Chevy Celebrity if you try hard enough but you're not going to be going 120 when you do it. While I would have loved a performance driving school, I would have only driven faster on the streets with my new found "skills". Maybe others would have a smarter reaction. Matt, didn't Little Bastard tell us that a certain young SRX7 racer crashed a Corvette? 7 years of competitive karting didn't do him much good at all... Mike Fennell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:30:53 -0500 From: "Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Stupid!! - Really? BA Check who's facts Chris ? The anti air bag folks, nhtsa's, real world ? Stats say whatever you want them to say, it's all in how you interpret them. FACT is, there is no way of knowing how well air bags work. No way at all. It is not possible to say, gee that guy only got a scratch from the accident but the air bag burnt him....... , because without those burns, he might just be dead. You can't tell what damage will be done to a person in an accident, so how can you tell what "would" have happened if something was different ? You can't. Also, a standard seat belt in a non air bag car stretches further than one in an air bag car. A frontal accident in a car with no air bag can leave you slamming the steering column, seat belt or not. A similar accident in an air bag equipped car with the air bag disabled could just cut you in half due to the belts inability to stretch enough to absorb the entire force of your body (it thinks the air bag is going to help it.) If you want to disable an air bag the correct way, you should change the seat belt also. Personally, I'll take the risk of some facial and wrist burns. Brett Anderson www.koalamotorsport.com Home of the E30 M3 CD-ROM repair manual > From: "Chris Alberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [uuc] Stupid!! - Really? > > Check the facts: airbags provide benefit in less than 5% of circumstances if > the driver is wearing a seat belt > > C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:30:13 -0800 From: Eric Fournier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Air Bags. Not to call you "ignorant", but all info can and will be interpreted... I like how the test subject is so close to the steering wheel that it is nearly touching the dummy's abdomen already. I'm glad I don't fit the size and shape of this dummy, nor is my car in any way configured like the one in the videos. >From http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/airbags/208con2e.html#sec2.4 Estimated Effectiveness of Occupant Protection Systems in Reducing Fatality Risk for Passenger Car Drivers System Used Fatality Reduction Air bag plus lap-shoulder belt 50% Air bag alone 13% Manual lap-shoulder belt 45% For example, if 100 drivers of cars not equipped with air bags were killed in crashes, 13 of them would have been saved (87 would still have been killed) had their cars been equipped with a driver air bag. Had these fatally injured drivers been using their lap-shoulder belt in their air bag-equipped car, 50 of them would have been saved. Eric GGC 87 E30 M3 Pat Donahue wrote: > > I won't weigh in with all the information from NHTSA's website, ignorant > people are going to find a way to interpret _any_ result in the way they > want. If they're killed because they disconnected that "grenade" in front > of them then maybe a couple other folks'll learn from it and the gene pool > has been improved yet again. > > Here's a page showing direct comparisons between belted dummies with and > without air bags. http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/airbags/abvideos.html > > Pat Donahue > NHTSA Webmaster > (always buckled, always happier with an air bag in front of me) > > ps, would someone provide me the URL for that report allegedly on the NHTSA > site that says air bags only help 5% of the time or whatever? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:39:59 -0500 From: "Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Deactivating/removing E34 airbag (long) Not anymore. BA There will always be differing opinions of air bags based on one or more of the millions of personal versions of accidents involving them. I'm not taking issue with that, or your injuries <sorry> but I do have one comment on what you posted. >The airbags (both) deployed, > the passenger side airbag broke the windshield, thankfully I was alone > in the car at the time You say this as though it bothers you. Fact is, passenger air bags are designed to inflate upwards, into the windshield, which deflects them into the passenger in time to catch them, before they go through the windshield. The fact that the bag broke the windshield is not a sign of a problem, it's a sign of the correct design. Brett Anderson www.koalamotorsport.com Home of the E30 M3 CD-ROM repair manual > From: "Darrel & Kalmia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [uuc] Deactivating/removing E34 airbag (long) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:37:40 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] <WOB> active noise suppression In 1991 or so, I drove around the Lotus proving grounds in a Citroen Ax (1100cc I think, smaller than a VW Golf) with Active Noise Control. It played 'anit-noise' back through the car's radio speakers. It had a switch so you could make it sound like 1) a Porsche 911 or 2) a Ferrari Testarossa. It really worked! Quite amusing! Made you want to drive it hard. But it still took 15 or 20 seconds to reach 100kph. - -Damon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:51:37 -0800 From: "L200247" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Fw: 02 BULBS >>>> L200247 Morning all! I know I have been in incognito for a while... but I still miss writing on the digests and message boards. Gotta quickie here... As I was puttin' along in the 02.. I notice that I always turn down the dashboard lights.... for some reason I prefer the lights to be dimmer to the point of wishing my dahsboard speedometer was glow in the dark. Right there.. I thought.. WOW! Wouldn't that be cool to have colored bulbs or a black light bulb to have that effect? Was wondering if there are any suggestions on colored bulbs or if anyone else had gone this route. I would want the red lights like the E30's have or a glowy green. 02oodles! Lisa 02 princess 72 2002 BMW CCA 130542 Cupertino, CA GGC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 14:06:23 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [uuc] Emissions failure and occillating idle on 535i <<Way high HC(559ppm) @ idle, idle CO: 0.63% California Limits at idle for my car are HC:120ppm and CO 1.0% My readings at 2500 RPM are HC:35ppm and CO 0.47% California limits at 2500 RPM are HC:140ppm and CO 1.0% Exhaust CO2 at idle is 13.0%. O2 is 2.3 (measured idle of 669, although it goes back and forth between 600-800) Exhaust CO2 at 2500(actually 2407rpm) is 14.4%. O2 is 0.5%>> Erick, curious but did you change your engine oil before the smog test? Jonathan Caldito BMW STEP - Orlando. ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #242 ************************** _________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Bonneville Motorwerks . http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com | Circle Tire Co. (used & classic BMW parts) e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Curry's Auto Service . http://www.currysauto.com | Eurosport . http://www.eurosport-hp.com | Koala MotorSport . http://www.koalamotorsport.com | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | The Ultimate Garage . http://www.ultimategarage.com | UUC Motorwerks . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com | Zionsville Autosport . http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com ����������������������������������������
