[uucdigest] Friday, February 11 2000 Volume 03 : Number 247 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] Fender Rolling in MI [uuc] Re: RE: <WOB> Airbags [uuc] E36 suspension question [uuc] <WOB>Proprietary information, indeed. Re: [uuc] Stupid!! - Really? Re: [uuc] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Re: [uuc] Re: auto-locking doors & exploding battery cables (was door locks & such) Re: [uuc] Air bag [uuc] Re: Airbags and my E34 [uuc] Re: Teens <new drivers> and the cars they should drive [uuc] San Diego Autocross Reminder [uuc] <ADMIN> Airbag thread [uuc] basic physics ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:16:35 PST From: "Perry Shang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Fender Rolling in MI Hi, all: I am going to change my suspension to my car. It is a 95 325is with M3 17x7.5 wheels. The rear wheel is going inside the fender after lowering the car. What I am afraid is not rubbing, but the wheel doesn't go into the fender at all. So, I am thinking I would like to roll the fender before the lowering suspension. I have never done this before, and CEC wheel is not within my reach. So, I would like anyone who has any experience with local shops around Detroit, MI. Prefer close to Ann Arbor, MI. Thanks in Advance. Perry. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:45:55 -0800 (PST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: RE: <WOB> Airbags How about the ones in Lt. Frank Drebin's car in "The Naked Gun"? Dunno who made 'em, looked to me like it coulda been Trojan. Keith Way > My favorite airbag type is the kind Clark Griswold had in the Family > Truckster with Optional Rally Package. It was made by Glad. > > Alex Cagann > 88///M5 _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:26:13 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] E36 suspension question On Feb.3, Manuel Paredes wrote: >From: "Manuel Paredes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [uuc] Which is better?? >I currently own a 95 325i with the sport package and was wondering if there >was much difference between the sport package susp. and an H/R Bilstien >upgrade. Performance wise and lowering wise. I would appreciate input from >anyone who has done this upgrade with a 325i with the sport package. I would >also like to know if this upgrade is stiffer than the stock M3 suspension >upgrade and which is better for a daily driver with spirited driving. >Thanks Alot! >Manuel Paredes >95 325i sharked, X-ed, M3mflrd >L.A. BMWCCA Last year before driving school season, I upgraded to a Korman Roadsport suspension on my 93 325is. It had the stock suspension, not the sport package. No suprise, but handling improvement was tremendous. I wanted to go with a package setup, since everything would be pretty much sorted out. It came with the Eibach Pro-kit springs, Bilstein HD shocks with Korman valving and Eibach front & rear swaybars (28/21 mm ?). They told me that they were going to the H/R springs in the future, probably wanted a single supplier for their kits. The car was lowered approx. 1 in. front and rear. I can't compare to the factory sport package ride, but ride compliance was still OK. It's stiffer, especially on impact harshness with road bumps, potholes, etc., but it rebounds quickly and has a good ride on smooth roads. My opinion is that it handles as well as the M3 on the track. It is about as stiff as the M3 as I recall from driving one before. I have the 225-50/16 wheel-tire setup, similar to the sport package. Bob Anderson Windy City CCA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:55:43 -0800 From: Jerry Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <WOB>Proprietary information, indeed. So I'm checking the likely local sources for 17" rims for my 635, and I think, "Hey, Dinan's just up the road, and while I think in general, their stuff is over-priced, those Fikses, Forgelines, et al, aren't exactly el cheapo..." Well, I give Dinan and call and talk to a fellow there. He tells me about the two different types of rims they sell, and checks on availability for an E24 - they got 'em he says. I say, "What's the offset on those rims?". "Oh, I don't give that out". "What???", says I, incredulously. "Yes, these are own wheels, and that is proprietary information". Heh. I work in an industry built on "proprietary information". And Dinan thinks wheel offset is proprietary? Sigh... I guess I just I just don't have the right frame of mind to be a Dinan customer... I've tried, I really have, but I just don't get it. :^) And you Dinan-folk - please no flames; if you have wonderful, blissful experiences with them, and think their stuff is killer - hey, I'm happy for you! - -jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 19:34:35 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Stupid!! - Really? Hitting an immovable wall at 60 mph is the same as two cars of equal weight head-on, each going 60. Your accident, while serious, was not the same as 60 into a wall. Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Head-on into another car. I applied brakes without turning to avoid a side > impact. The other driver fell asleep and cross the double yellow lane into me. > The police estimate the speed of my car to be 20mph and 40 for the other car. > The other driver had an airbag. From what I heard he had cut and bruises from > his eyeglasses burying into his face and a broken leg from the pedals going > into his legs. I didn't heard if he had his seat belt on. > > The funny thing is I don't like the airbags in the steering wheel but I like > the idea of side airbags. > > Now if I can have an airbag on the rear of the car to protect it from rear end > accidents! > > -John > > What did you hit at 60? My example (sorry, I omitted the impacted object) > was 30 mph into the proverbial brick wall. Hitting anything softer than > that will drastically reduce your injuries. I am not defending the airbag > standards as they exist, just pointing out that they do help and it doesn't > make sense to disconnect them without a good reason. My mother-in-law is 67 > years old and 4'10" tall. I have disconnected her air bag, but not mine. > > If airbags had been mandated to work with belted passengers, the threshold > for deployment would be much higher (20 to 25 mph rather than 10 to 12 mph) > and they would be smaller and deploy more slowly. That would have been a > better solution to safety. Unfortunately the safety Nazis use statistics to > prove their pre-conceived idea rather than using the data to deduce an > effective plan. Correlation does not infer causality. > > Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > I can say from experience in 60mph head on crash, my seat belts did not > damage > > my ribs, internal organs, or hit my head on the steering wheel. I had a > mark > > on my shoudler and a bruised knee. > > > > If air bags only save 175lb males, it's going to be a lonely place. > > > > -John > > > > In frontal impacts above 30 mph, a single diagonal seat belt will damage > > your ribs and internal organs. Also your head will hit the wheel and your > > neck will get severely strained. These are the circumstances where an air > > bag will help. We can debate what federal regulations should have been > but > > the fact is air bags are here so why not use them? Even if they provide > > benefit in only 5% of crashes, we should take advantage of that. > Especially > > if you are near the 175 lb healthy male that they were designed for. If > you > > are a short elderly woman, you should disconnect the air bags because they > > will hurt you. > > > > The federal regulations are flawed by mandating that air bags be designed > > for those who don't wear belts instead of designing them for those who do > > wear belts. Regardless, they still offer a benefit for belted passengers > > who are properly positioned. > > > > Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 19:00:58 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Does the chip alter the transmission programming or just the engine programming? Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > "My wife's new to us '95 525iT [automatic] seems a little sluggish while > driving around town, but I have nothing to compare it to. All I know is > its a lot slower than my M5." > > Sounds right to me, Gary. > > My '93 525i (manual) with the same M50TU VANOS engine as Mrs. Derian's > station wagon seemed a little sluggish until installation of a Korman > turbocharger kit. Problem solved. > > It's still slower than my M5 porker, though. > > I have a Dinan engine management chip (D900-2550-E 623A) from the 525i > which may fit your slug and provides noticeable performance improvement > above about 3500-4000 rpms. It fits 1993-1995 325i/325is/525i/525iT M50TU > VANOS with "-623" stock chip. Cheap. Used briefly, removed when I > installed the turbocharger. E-mail privately if interested. > > Richard > '00 M5 > '93 525i turbo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 19:48:00 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: auto-locking doors & exploding battery cables (was door locks & such) E34s also do this. Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Grant Low wrote: > > > Speaking of doors in crashes, I know some people always lock their doors > > when they start moving, and a lot of cars do that automatically. What is > > the logic behind this? Are locked doors less likely to "pop" open in a > > crash? Wouldn't the doors being locked just make it harder to get out of > > the car in a potentially explosive wreck? If I could walk without further > > injury, the first thing I would do in a wreck is get out of and away from > > the car. > > newer BMW's (E39, E46 newer 7's I think) have a feature in them that in the > event of a crash event strong enough to trigger airbags & the like the doors > unlock & a pyrotechnic charge severs the battery cable to eliminate potential > sparks. > > I think the auto-locking "feature" is intended to keep people from open the > doors by accident or to prevent people getting in when you come to a stop. many > people find it annoying when they typically get into a car & pull a short > distance & then let in others (like pulling out of a garage or picking people up > form in front of a resturant). most systems have a locking threshold at a lower > spped & some can be de-activated. > > > Ben Keyes > '99 M coupe - no auto-locking > '88 M5 - ditto > many, many miles spent in Explorer's with auto-locking ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 20:00:52 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Air bag Her car has full-power air bags and she sits very close to the steering wheel. The steering wheel alone will do a better job of protecting her than a full powered air bag at close range. Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>I am not defending the airbag > >standards as they exist, just pointing out that they do help and it doesn't > >make sense to disconnect them without a good reason. My mother-in-law is > 67 > >years old and 4'10" tall. I have disconnected her air bag, but not mine. > > > So tell us the real reason why you disconnected your mother in laws air bag > ;-) > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 17:14:18 -0800 (PST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: Airbags and my E34 > Geeeze > '84 Suburban K10 Turbo Diesel for sale $5k (have to, no air bags!) > Whew, good thing! Joe would have had to send flowers to your family (if you have any, of course) in the event of your certain horrible death! Keith Way '86 745i (No bags, laughing in the grim reaper's face.) _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 17:15:27 -0800 (PST) From: John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Teens <new drivers> and the cars they should drive On Fri, 11 Feb 2000, Mark Yarger wrote: <snip> > this. IMHO the best car for the new driver is *any* italian or english > sports car that can be purchased for less than $2000.00. The cheaper > the better for this car provide far more than transportation (far less > too), it will provide an education and lifetime of automotive > enthusiasm. I agree mostly. I bought my first BMW for $2000.00 ('78 320i) partially with money I borrowed from my dad. I spent many hours underneath that beast. (whattaya mean you have to loosen the whole AC compressor assembly to get the %#$@ water pump off?!?) That's the car that taught me that BMW parts were not necessarily expensive (though some sure were!). Dad let me use the garage and his tools to work on it all I wanted. The only thing that backfired on him was when I was waiting for a part and borrowed his car for the day. THAT was the day I got rear-ended by a 15-passenger Dodge maxi-van. He was kinda mad, even though it wasn't my fault. sheez dad, I'm the one with the sore neck... :) - -- John Bolhuis | "In America it is not considered to be mentally ill bolhuijo | when a woman advances on her prey in a discotheque @bolhuijo.com | setting with hardy cocktails present." | -Madonna ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 17:18:18 -0800 From: Jim Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] San Diego Autocross Reminder San Diego will be hosting an autocross at Qualcomm stadium on Saturday, February 18th. Registration and inspection open at 7:00 am. This autocross we are running with a few less organizers than normal. It will still be a great event but if you have the availability to show up just a few minutes early and could help out before the event it would be appreciated and make the day go much smoother for everyone. This will again be on the big west lot where we typically have courses over 1 mile long, so you are sure to have a great time. Jim Powell Webmeister San Diego Chapter BMW CCA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 20:18:34 -0500 From: "Rob Levinson - UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <ADMIN> Airbag thread An airbag deploys for a fraction of a second. I think plenty of people on the list wish this thread had such a short life. Time to let the air out of this one, let it die a peaceful death. - - Rob Levinson UUC Digest ListOwner (and not about to deliberately run a car into a wall, airbags or not) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 20:24:32 -0500 From: "Rob Levinson - UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] basic physics Two cars of equal mass, each travelling 60mph, have an effective solitary impact of 120mph into a wall when they collide head-on. 60mph into a wall is the same as two equal-mass cars travelling at 30mph and colliding head-on. That's Physics 101, and I still remember the extra-credit final exam question about a guy dropping a wrench out of a moving airplane landing on the deck of a ship travelling from point A while carrying cartons of widgets and a boxful of hypothetical questions. - - Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [uuc] Stupid!! - Really? > Hitting an immovable wall at 60 mph is the same as two cars of equal weight > head-on, each going 60. Your accident, while serious, was not the same as > 60 into a wall. ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #247 ************************** _________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Bonneville Motorwerks . http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com | Circle Tire Co. 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