[uucdigest] Wednesday, February 23 2000 Volume 03 : Number 320 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: Re: [uuc] <E30 M3> E30M3 versus S2000 with a 5500 RPM shift point [uuc] E36 rear shock mounts Re: [uuc] <E30 M3> E30M3 versus S2000 with a 5500 RPM shift point [uuc] BMW Individual thread Re: [uuc] BMW NA's Response to "BMW Individual - Available orNo?" [uuc] Re: Identifying a 325i -w- sport pkg [uuc] E28///M5 induction problem [uuc] Alignment shop in central Jersey [uuc] RE: Need to know the street value of a E30 325iS Re: [uuc] E28///M5 induction problem Re: [uuc] <E30 M3> E30M3 versus S2000 with a 5500 RPM shift point [uuc] Rear placement of engines Re: [uuc] BMW NA's Response to "BMW Individual -AvailableorNo? Re: [uuc] BMW NA's Response to "BMW Individual -AvailableorNo? [uuc] Custom Orders [uuc] Bimmer Magazine Re: [uuc] Custom Orders [uuc] Weight Transfer cont... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 09:36:04 -0800 (PST) From: John Stoj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <E30 M3> E30M3 versus S2000 with a 5500 RPM shift point Interesting post. I have driven my friend's S2k and let me tell you, it's one impressive machine. I've said it before, but it almost makes you forget it's Japanese. I drove it before the break-in period was over so I couldn't V-TEC it and it didn't feel at all as weak as the reviews said it would at lower revs. I mean, it's no E36 M3, but it was definitley respectable. Now, on to the limited rev test. I wonder why they chose 5500 RPM. Since they did, however, if you wanted to do a similar test with an E30 M3, then I would do it on an RPM percentage basis. I don't know the exact redline of the E30 M3, but the s2k's is 9000, so 5500/9000 = 61%. I figure you should use 61% of the M3's redline to equal out the test. What would that be? 4000? Try your M3 0-60 shifting at 4000. I think it will be quite slow. I guess the message still is there's no substitute for cubes off the line, but it makes for fun garage talk. - - John '97 M3 _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 11:41:41 -0600 From: "Mendez, Andrew D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] E36 rear shock mounts Can someone confirm that the E30 convertible shock mounts will fit E36s (coupe)? (They're supposed to be stronger than the E36 ones and costs less than half ($22 each from BMP) what the aftermarket ones do). I read on the old digest archives that someone had heard this but there was no confirmation. Thanks, Andy 95 m3 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 12:53:54 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] <E30 M3> E30M3 versus S2000 with a 5500 RPM shift point In a message dated 2/23/00 12:38:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Now, on to the limited rev test. I wonder why they chose 5500 RPM. Since they did, however, if you wanted to do a similar test with an E30 M3, then I would do it on an RPM percentage basis. I don't know the exact redline of the E30 M3, but the s2k's is 9000, so 5500/9000 = 61%. I figure you should use 61% of the M3's redline to equal out the test. What would that be? 4000? Try your M3 0-60 shifting at 4000. I think it will be quite slow.>> You know what? I'll try out a few arbitrary RPM limits I'll try out 5000 and 4500. I'll watch out for the need to use 4th gear. I'm not really sure how to make such a comparison truely fair since there are other factors to consider. So I simply tried out 5500 as a starting point. Other considerations include that at 5500 two different 4 cylinder motors are both at .... 5500 RPM. Another is how to try to calculate a fairer number for the M3 to use since 5500 includes some of the good stuff in it's rev range. Width of powerband, rev limts versus torque and power peaks are also considerations. Gearing is another big one. Set it too low for the M3 and you'll need to use 4th gear which woudln't be too fair if the Honda can use only three gears. I'll post some more numbers later on. Stan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 13:01:10 -0500 From: "Edwin S. MacVaugh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] BMW Individual thread Ed says: The argument sounds cogent, but business reality is otherwise. Lenders don't give a flying leap what you buy. They will finance you to buy a Cadillac Catera with a fake convertible roof on it as a $2800 option if your credit is good. Hell, you can even take a financed car on the track without notifying your lender. You can take off the rims they are financing and put on Fikses and Kumhos. You can have the Bambislayer repainted exotic colors . . . or install a UUC shifter! Don, in verbose fashion says: From: Don Eilenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Nope, they don't now - probably because it's not an option.. but they might ask why the delivery would take so long.. of course if you use BMW financing - they might be willing to work around this.. unless THEY think you're creating a car which has no later market value, in which case they wouldn't want to put 'paper' on the car (ie - lien value) because if you defaulted and they repossesed (sic) the car - they'd have trouble selling it. A lender is not going to assume your special tastes are the taste of 'everyman' - they want something they can easily sell for the maximum value IF you default on your loan. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 12:57:06 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] BMW NA's Response to "BMW Individual - Available orNo?" I'm not laughing but just have a smile. :-) Remember, my car was supposed to be a pearl yellow. As you all may or may not know, BMW approved the paint and two months later told me that it would be too late in production and they could not do it. The build date for my car was April 26, 1999 which is approx. within or around 200 of the last E36 M3 coupe's made. (EY 83782 to be exact). In that regard I think I got screwed! The E36 M3 is a dead horse and that combination is all but a dream! FYI: the custom paint would was quoted at approx. 5K list (about 4K dealer cost). So yes, I do have a smile. The car is most definitely unique but certainly not what I had intended. That's life! Cheers, Jim E. Chester Wong wrote: > <lots of good stuff snipped> > > And here we have Mr. El Nabli laughing all the way 'cuz he has an individual > car... > > Chester > > ===== > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 13:06:41 -0500 From: "Tim Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Identifying a 325i -w- sport pkg I said: <<Look for front and rear spoilers and side skirts like on a 325iX.>> Jack replied: <<This is not entirely correct. There are no production E30's with the side skirts like the iX....either in the US or Europe (as far as I know). Spoilers yes, wheels yes (similar style but not size and offset), I would guess interior appointments as well. If you've seen an E30 with the skirts it's either an iX or someone has added them.>> Someone else pointed out that the side skirts were only on the four door cars. The one I looked at was a four door and had side skirts. They looked factory, but who knows. Just another BMW dilemma like the late model 95 M3s with OBDII, I guess. Tim T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 13:13:54 -0500 From: "Cagann, Alexander" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] E28///M5 induction problem Hello all. Everytime I write to this list it seems to be after I've done something stupid. I did it again. The microswitch at the front of the intake runners didn't seem to be clicking when coming down to idle. I could push the throttle body stuff up off idle and hear the click, and then hear it click again returning to idle...but not sometimes. So I figured I'd adjust it. Mistake! Now it won't click period. No matter where I adjust it to...even if I adjust it back where it was. I start the car and it revs real high! What have I done???? Sheesh, I used to be able to work on cars but this induction is nutty stuff on these M cars. Seems like even if I breathe on this car I mess it up! Alex Cagann 88///M5 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 13:13:02 -0500 From: "Thomas J. Noto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Alignment shop in central Jersey Hey guys, Can someone please recommend a good alignment shop in the Trenton/Princeton area of NJ? My '95 325is is starting to pull to the right, and I'm averse to spending dealer levels of money if there is an alternative.... Thanks, Tom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 12:14:51 -0600 From: "Fadeev, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: Need to know the street value of a E30 325iS "Jonathan Reiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asks: > > A friend of mine is moving out of the country and looking to sell > her 1990 E30 325iS. She offered to sell it to me for $6,000.00. It > is black w/tan interior, automatic, seems to be fully loaded with > sunroof and OBC. Has 95k miles and is in good shape (California Car) > > I wanted to know if this is about what they are worth. I looked > them up on autotrader.com and they seem to be going for the $9,000 range. > I am concered about it's actual value because I would only purchase > it to take it off her hands and would probably just turn around and > sell it again. I want to make sure I won't take a loss on it. Jon, No offense, but you are basically asking us by how wide a margin you can screw your friend??! alex f ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 13:19:21 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] E28///M5 induction problem Can you check the switch action with a meter? Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hello all. Everytime I write to this list it seems to be after I've done > something stupid. I did it again. The microswitch at the front of the > intake runners didn't seem to be clicking when coming down to idle. I could > push the throttle body stuff up off idle and hear the click, and then hear > it click again returning to idle...but not sometimes. So I figured I'd > adjust it. Mistake! Now it won't click period. No matter where I adjust > it to...even if I adjust it back where it was. I start the car and it revs > real high! What have I done???? Sheesh, I used to be able to work on cars > but this induction is nutty stuff on these M cars. Seems like even if I > breathe on this car I mess it up! > > Alex Cagann > 88///M5 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 13:29:18 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] <E30 M3> E30M3 versus S2000 with a 5500 RPM shift point In a message dated 2/23/00 12:56:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << You know what? I'll try out a few arbitrary RPM limits I'll try out 5000 and 4500. I'll watch out for the need to use 4th gear. >> Well it was lunch time and the Vericom was already in the car so I tried lower shift points. Using a 5000 RPM limit it took 9.1 to 9.4 seconds to hit 60 from a standing start. I cheated a bit though. I used around 5200 or 5300 for the 3rd gear shift point to avoid an impending shift into 4th for the last few MPH before 60 mph. It wouldn't be fair to shift into 4th at say 57 mph and comnpare it to the S2000 which could avoid the extra shift and the less advantageous gearing. Using 4500 as a shift point required using 4th gear quite a bit and took 11.7 to 12.2 seconds (more variaton due to more shifts) It looks like using a shift point of about 5300 (have to confirm) is the lowest RPM my M3 can handle in a 0-60 test without needing a shift into 4th gear. (Which would render my idea of comparing low rev time to speed testing versus the S2000 invalid) If anyone is near the Ridgefield CT area I am happy to share my Vericom if you'd like to compare mods, etc. Stan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:44:04 -0800 From: "KKiely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Rear placement of engines Gary, It's Cameros that I was thinking about when I asked the question. Do you still have to drop the motor to get to the back plugs? - -Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 13:46:33 -0500 From: Phil Marx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] BMW NA's Response to "BMW Individual -AvailableorNo? ben keyes wrote: >as a data point on the possibility of this, Jon Maddux (of Leather Z3 >armrest fame) wanted to purchase an M coupe with the Z3 2.8 coupe extended >leather interior in tan. (IMHO, a _very_ nice looking interior, more >subdued than some of the normal M interiors.) He had a dealer willing to >order the car for him & was not going to have it in any sort of obnoxious >or clashing exterior color. BMW still refused to build it for him. >I do know that you can get non-US market colors (steel/gun metal grey is my >favorite) for Z3's at a cost of $1,500, which is almost entirely pure >profit since the paint is already in the plant system & there is going to >be minimal cost for extra handling/sequencing of the bumpers in the plant. Somewhat true, but consider that the console pieces and placement of some controls differ between the two different coupes, as do some body panels, bumpers, etc. Since BMW receives these parts pre-made from their suppliers, including the leather covering, "sequencing" in a different dash or console panel in leather from another model may not be as easy as you think. There may be no part number for such a part, and the inventorying of a new number for this arrangement must be a pain. Likewise, the bumpers come painted from the supplier, and an M bumper in a 2.8 color is also not a stock item or an available part without special hoops and arrangements being made. It's not always as easy as it seems. - -Phil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 11:02:49 -0800 From: Jim Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] BMW NA's Response to "BMW Individual -AvailableorNo? In the end it comes down to this. Either there's an Individual Program or there's not. Everyone knows it costs more. So be it. BMW is not doing themselves any favors by winking slyly and saying they have a program. A 'PROGRAM' is something that works. It works consistently. It works everywhere in the market they say that its effective. If they have a program then they should train the dealers and implement it. If the 'Independent Retailer' sob story they feed us BS about on service is so true that they can't implement a program through the dealer network then BMW as a corporation is in deep, deep trouble. As with all vendors in a free market your best policy is to do what you say you will do. Doing otherwise breeds contempt and sells a hell of a lot of Lexus's and Merc. Jim Phil Marx wrote: It's not always as easy as it seems. > > -Phil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 11:03:36 -0800 From: "KKiely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Custom Orders Don and others, Apparently, with BMW and Honda having major manuf. sites in the US, both companies are looking at ways to use the internet to custom build cars for customers. If I recall, the program is already in operation in Japan. Think about it, it's the next big hook to buy loyalty/share until the next big thing comes along. - -Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:10:23 -0500 From: "Eric Augustyn (Derivatives)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Bimmer Magazine Anyone have a copy of the June 99 Bimmer magazine? Specifically I am looking for a copy of the review of the 740 Sport. Please contact me off digest. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 11:12:52 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Custom Orders Too bad the Japanese culture really doesn't embrace internet purchases. They still prefer to browse and window shop. Go figure. Chester > Apparently, with BMW and Honda having major manuf. sites in the US, both > companies are looking at ways to use the internet to custom build cars for > customers. If I recall, the program is already in operation in Japan. > Think about it, it's the next big hook to buy loyalty/share until the next > big > thing comes along. ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 11:14:32 -0800 From: Gustave Stroes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Weight Transfer cont... >From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >The total front to rear distribution doesn't change (steady state). Front >to rear on each side changes a lot.<snip> OK. Got it. There is an important distinction between weight distribution and weight transfer distribution. I did not pick up on this initially. Your post make perfect sense to me now that I have that cleared up. 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