[uucdigest] Sunday, February 27 2000 Volume 03 : Number 343 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] Re: BMW Touring Cars [uuc] Re: <E30> Anti Roll Bar Mounts [uuc] <Trade or FS> E36 M3 contour wheels [uuc] BMW E46 DTC car [uuc] 325ix for sale Re: [uuc] BMW Mountain Bike ?? Re: [uuc] BMW Mountain Bike ?? [uuc] Garage Sale mostly 83-88 5/6 series stuff [uuc] Garage Sale E46 Stuff [uuc] Garage Sale E46 stuff [uuc] JimC Flash reprogram in DC area ? [uuc] <e30> re:Removing Ignition Lock Cylinder ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 08:32:20 PST From: "Maneesh Jain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: BMW Touring Cars In case you folks had some cash to spend. The 320i DTC car comes available from BMW M, in kit form, and can be had for around $100K. I even bey Mitch Herman can arrange for one. Some fellow Bimwads and I were in Munich last year and saw the DTC car at the ultra hard to get into BMW HQ sorage facility. It was awesome, sounded like it was a little on heavy side, but heck, it ain't no E30 M3 :^) - -M Jain > > Weren't one of you all thinking that BMW Touring Cars were 4-cylinder > > powered beasts? I was looking at the 'Motorsport Section of BMW's >German > > website and came across this- > > > > http://www.bmw.com/bmwe/pulse/index_motorsport.shtml > > > > click on the link at the right side of the page- "Commitment"- > > > > there's a blurb about the 320 DTC at the bottom of the page- I just > > transcibed it, I didn't write it....;) > > > > The 320i DTC is based on the 320i saloon, whereby the regulations of the > > German Touring Car Challenge only allow slight modifications. In terms >of > > capacity the six-cylinder engines in the racing and street versions are >the > > same, but the power output of the 320 DTC with approx 147 KW (200 HP) is > > higher than that of the series model 110 KW. > > > > There was a 2.0L version of the S14 used in competition- now that's a > > 4-banger! > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 09:21:35 -0800 From: Randy Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: <E30> Anti Roll Bar Mounts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Anti Roll Bar experts: >While I'm still fairly new to BMW's I have been told that the stock E30 anti >roll bar mounts are weak. I just bought the M3 rear bar and the ic front >bar. This will bump me up from 12 mm to 14.5 mm in the rear and from 18.5 mm >to 21 in the front. Yes, I know the aftermarket bars are bigger but these >were inexpensive and easy to get. This car will see spirited weekend use, a >couple of school weekends, and a couple of BMW CCA Club races this year, on R >compound tires of course. > >1. Since I am going up more, proportionally, in the rear, will that help dial >out some of the factory understeer? I've been told not to expect noticeably >flatter cornering but that this will help with the balance. This is what i experienced when i was using a 22mm RD front swaybar and a 14.5mm M3 rear bar with M3 springs on my 89 325is. The larger swaybars made little if any reduction in body roll, but the slightly stiffer M3 springs made a noticeable difference in the body roll dept. The larger front swaybar will help keep your contact patches a little flatter on the pavement, and the larger rear bar will dial out some if not all of the understeer and offset the increase in front bar diameter. The M3 springs will help further as the rears are stiffer in relation to the fronts than the stock springs were on whatever kind of E30 you have (325? 318? e, i, o, or u?). The car should be pretty neutral with your setup, and with the right techniques you can get the car to turn in just fine although you'll still have a LOT of body roll with those M3 springs. When i saw pics of my car on the autocross course with virtually the same setup as you i was shocked at the excessive body leaning ! While i think this is how the car should have come from the factory in the first place, i soon grew to dislike the soft ride and body roll and went to H&R Sports instead and my body roll decreased quite a bit, just from the increased spring rate alone. That was nice for a while but now i have the Ground Control adjustable spring kit with much much stiffer spring rates and it rocks ! I think you'll find the stock M3 springs woefully inadequate on a track or autocross course, especially with R-compound tires. I'll betcha you won't be keeping those springs in there for long..... :-) >2. Will the mounts hold? I know there are kits that strengthen the mounts >and I will buy them if necessary. I have also installed E30 M3 springs and >Bilstein Sports....no hard race springs to help reduce body roll. >Thanks, Carter Hunt I think the problem with the rear body tabs breaking off is more from using a large rear swaybar with springs that are too soft. This causes the rear bar to twist quite a bit and those weak little tabs can't survive the twisting. With stiff enough springs the load is taken off the swaybar and thus the tabs. I don't know if the stock E30 M3s have a problem with breaking the rear tabs or not, but since you're basically mimicking the stock M3 setup it might be a good idea to take a survey among M3 owners and see if their stock-suspended M3s break these tabs or not. My mind's eye tells me that you shouldn't have a problem with your bars. FWIW i've only heard of it happening with big aftermarket rear swaybars, not the factory 14.5mm rear bar. I inspect my tabs from time to time and so far they've survived my autocrossing onslaughts, and now that i have very stiff springs i'm sure they won't be a problem. I still have the 14.5mm rear and 22mm RD front swaybar despite going through four different spring setups, and i don't feel the need for larger swaybars than what i have. I wouldn't want to drill holes in my body for the re-inforcement kit and would only do it if i felt i really needed them, or if the mounts did indeed start to crack. Keep an eye on these rear tabs nonetheless :-) FWIW, back when i had the M3 spring setup, spectators reported that my inside rear tire was coming off the ground upon turn-in. The soft M3 springs were allowing the outside front corner to dip way down, which in turn lifts the inside rear corner of the car. When the Bilstein Sport reached the end of it's extension, it lifted the rear wheel off the ground momentarily during turn-in !! (it still had the stock 12mm rear swaybar). That'll give you an idea of how soft the M3 springs are. Even a pair of stiffer H&R's up front still allowed an excessive amount of body roll, just not quite as much as the M3 springs did. With your setup, you'll need to run a lot of negative camber up front and use a lot of air in your tires if you want their outside edges to survive any track or autocross driving. If you really want to go fast in these situations, you're going to need much stiffer springs. I'm way faster on the autocross course now with the simple addition of the Ground Control/Eibach adjustable spring setup (450# front rate and 600# rear). My favorite offramps have never been so fun . . . . ={:-D Randy Walters 89 325is So Calif http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=153582&a=1200064 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 09:36:40 PST From: "Perry Shang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <Trade or FS> E36 M3 contour wheels HI, all: I just got my suspension done. Too bad, with my contour wheels offset, the wheel doesn't fit my brake on the front. I was thinking getting spacers for it, but I guess I need a change in wheel look. So, I decided to either sell or trade my wheels with somebody else on the digest. It is M3 contour wheels, (those comes with luxury package), with 17x7.5 all 4 corners. It is original BMW M3 wheels, not the replica. They are straight with some scratches on the lip, regular wear and tear. I would like M3 LTW wheels, those 5 spoke wheels. If you are tired of the your M3 wheels, please drop me a line. Or if you want to get it, I will let it go for $1000 without tires, plus shipping. (I have boxes for it already). They car located in Ann Arbor, MI. Perry. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 12:40:56 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] BMW E46 DTC car The car that you are describing is actually the BMW DTC or Super N car. It is not a SuperTouring car like you see in the British or German SuperTouring Car Championship, it is actually considered a "showroom stock" car in Europe. A lot of the countries in Europe are getting rid of the expensive 2.0l Super Touring formula and replacing it with the Super N class regulations, which are based on the FIA Group N (production based) rules but allow some modifications (like racing gearbox) that are not allowed in Group N. These cars are a lot closer to production versions of the road going cars they are based on than the Super Touring. Suspension and engine have to use production mounting points, engines are not allowed much modification etc. The US series that is closest to this form of racing would be the World Challenge series Alex Long ate: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 23:28:57 -0500 From: "Frank Massaro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: BMW Touring Cars Weren't one of you all thinking that BMW Touring Cars were 4-cylinder powered beasts? I was looking at the 'Motorsport Section of BMW's German website and came across this- http://www.bmw.com/bmwe/pulse/index_motorsport.shtml click on the link at the right side of the page- "Commitment"- there's a blurb about the 320 DTC at the bottom of the page- I just transcibed it, I didn't write it....;) The 320i DTC is based on the 320i saloon, whereby the regulations of the German Touring Car Challenge only allow slight modifications. In terms of capacity the six-cylinder engines in the racing and street versions are the same, but the power output of the 320 DTC with approx 147 KW (200 HP) is higher than that of the series model 110 KW. There was a 2.0L version of the S14 used in competition- now that's a 4-banger! HTH, Frank Massaro ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 12:51:23 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] 325ix for sale 1988 325ix for sale. AWD, two door, Red/leather black interior. Excellent shape. All servicing done, including timing belt change, service II's, new locking system, and new tires. Mileage is 104,000 (highway), asking $9800.00. Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 717-293-8642. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 10:01:48 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] BMW Mountain Bike ?? Also, I'd imagine the BMW bike would be way overpriced for what it can do or the equipment on it. If you want a foldable bike, there are many companies out there that make much better rides than BMW. FWIW, Chester - --- Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Brad Otto wrote: > >Could someone verify that it will fit through the trunk opening of > >an E30 M3. > > The trunk opening on that car as you already know is very narrow. I > wouldn't do it even if someone said it fits. I can picture a pedal > catching the trunk seal and tearing it or even worst scratching up the > paint. Have you considered a roof mounted rack? Yakima and Thule make > some excellent roof racks. I'm a Thule person myself having had two on > previous cars including my E36 M3 and with care they won't scratch the > paint on the roof. (I always wax the area where the foot attaches) > > Carlos > 91 M3 > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 10:01:55 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] BMW Mountain Bike ?? Also, I'd imagine the BMW bike would be way overpriced for what it can do or the equipment on it. If you want a foldable bike, there are many companies out there that make much better rides than BMW. FWIW, Chester - --- Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Brad Otto wrote: > >Could someone verify that it will fit through the trunk opening of > >an E30 M3. > > The trunk opening on that car as you already know is very narrow. I > wouldn't do it even if someone said it fits. I can picture a pedal > catching the trunk seal and tearing it or even worst scratching up the > paint. Have you considered a roof mounted rack? Yakima and Thule make > some excellent roof racks. I'm a Thule person myself having had two on > previous cars including my E36 M3 and with care they won't scratch the > paint on the roof. (I always wax the area where the foot attaches) > > Carlos > 91 M3 > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 13:27:40 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Garage Sale mostly 83-88 5/6 series stuff GARAGE SALE Greetings all: I am getting ready to move and have the following items for sale. (4) Michelin 330 205/50-16 Winter tires. They were originally purchased for my M635csi, but I decided not to use the car in winter. The tires have less than 100 miles on them. I am asking $180 buyer pays shipping. I basically want to get them out of my garage. Buy these tires and I will throw in all the items below. Make an offer on the following items. (2) Oil filters for 85 635csi. I believe they will fit any 5/6 series 84- 88 (2) BMW oil filters. Part number 11 42 1 731 634 Not sure what they went to. (1) BMW oil filters. Part number 11 42 1 427 908 Not sure what it went to. (1) BMW Hydraulic Bomb originally bought for my 85 M635csi Contact Steve Diamond 303-588-9600 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 13:28:34 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Garage Sale E46 Stuff E46 GARAGE SALE Greetings all: I am getting ready to move and have the following items for sale. Make an offer on any of the following items; I want them out of the house. (1) Complete set of original equipment yellow turn signals. Front, rear and side. Will fit any 99/00 E46 sedan. Used, but look like new. (1) Complete set of original equipment yellow turn signals. Front, rear and side. Will fit any 00 E46 Coupe. . Used, but look like new. (1) Set of mud flaps (front and rear). Will fit any 99/00 E46 sedan. New never used. (1) Front bumper license plate insert. Fits E46 sedan. Replaces front license plate for that clean front-end look. New. (3) Non smoking conversion parts for E46 Coupe or sedan. Works best with cars with black interior, as the new storage bin is black. (1) E46 Multi Function Sport Steering wheel with air bag. Like new. I am firm at $400 on this item. Contact Steve Diamond 303-588-9600 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 13:30:10 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Garage Sale E46 stuff E46 GARAGE SALE Greetings all: I am getting ready to move and have the following items for sale. Make an offer on any of the following items; I want them out of the house. (1) Complete set of original equipment yellow turn signals. Front, rear and side. Will fit any 99/00 E46 sedan. Used, but look like new. (1) Complete set of original equipment yellow turn signals. Front, rear and side. Will fit any 00 E46 Coupe. . Used, but look like new. (1) Set of mud flaps (front and rear). Will fit any 99/00 E46 sedan. New never used. (1) Front bumper license plate insert. Fits E46 sedan. Replaces front license plate for that clean front-end look. New. (3) Non smoking conversion parts for E46 Coupe or sedan. Works best with cars with black interior, as the new storage bin is black. (1) E46 Multi Function Sport Steering wheel with air bag. Like new. I am firm at $400 on this item. Contact Steve Diamond 303-588-9600 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 14:40:07 -0500 From: "Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] JimC Flash reprogram in DC area ? Hi guys, are there any shops in the washington dc metro area that will install the JimC software for OBDII ? I would think this would be cheaper to just go into a shop rather than pay for fedex shipping back and forth. If there are no shops here, then where is the closest one ? Thanks Jeff 97 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 14:33:13 -0500 From: Chris Pawlowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <e30> re:Removing Ignition Lock Cylinder Jeff Patch (86 325es) sez > Mine froze past the steering wheel unlock position for some odd reason. I > took the dash column apart and was able to get the orange starter that the > cylinder turns to start the car out - so I am starting it with a screw driver > right now. > Hopefully I'll have some time later today when I wake up and can change it. > Only problem is.. how do I get the darn thing out of the steering colum? We > couldnt manage to get the top cover off - even with the steering wheel > removed. hey! I had the *exact* same problem.. couldn't start the car, couldn't remove the key.. so I took apart the steering column in a mall parking lot and started it up with a screwdriver :) I spent quite a few hours trying to remove the cylinder (I had a new one sent from Germany all coded to my keys and everything) and even called Jenny Morgan (a *very* helpful tech advisor/BMWCCA). You need to make yourself a tool - something like a toothpick but made of metal with enough meat on the end to really be able to push firmly. I took a bicycle spoke to a grinding wheel and made something suitable. Stick the spike in the small hole in the lock cylinder face (right beside where the key goes in) at a certain point ( key turned a little bit clockwise from normal entry position, but not too far) if you push on the spike and pull on the key, the cylinder will slide right out. It took me about an hour of fiddling to get it to work, and once it did, I could pop it out in 30 seconds. *Careful* because deep in the bowels of the lock cylinder housing (the part the cylinder slides into) is a couple of bits with some springs.. they have to do with the steering lock. Those parts stayed put at first, but after messing around a bit they came out as well. And I could never get 'em back in properly. So I ended up leaving them out (which means I no longer have a steering lock) the 'spike' has to be almost as long as the lock cylinder.. a paper clip is too wimpy and won't do the job. Chris Pawlowicz '89 325i '74 2002 ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #343 ************************** _________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Bonneville Motorwerks . http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com | Circle Tire Co. 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