[uucdigest] Saturday, March 18 2000 Volume 03 : Number 465 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: Re: [uuc] 2000 M5 [uuc] Sports vs. Normal ? [uuc] hartge [uuc] BMW Price increase? Re: [uuc] BMW Price increase? Re: [uuc] What if the UUC List Members owned BMW...... Re: [uuc] What if the UUC List Members owned BMW...... [uuc] part list cd Re: [uuc] bmw and ford [uuc] Re: uuc] Different perspective on things [uuc] <E36> short shifter testimonial [uuc] Top Speed? [uuc] <E30> Seat Repair Question [uuc] Engine washing [uuc] which is the hot ticket?? Re: [uuc] bmw and ford [uuc] Removing Fan...Help! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 19:39:07 +1100 (EST) From: Aaron Miles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] 2000 M5 Howdy, Oh the topic of what car we would like to see, I have a few suggestions. 1. Duanne's 318tds (So the M* Kib*orts of the world could ask Bimmer what it was) 2. E30 with Twin Turbo S62. Hey power is good right? Cheers. Aaron - -- Aaron Miles ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - -- Network / System administrator @ Clement Computer Services - -- Wants E30 S62 - -- However in reality only can afford E30 M20 - -- Where did that shoehorn go again? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:49:10 -0800 From: "William T. Wallace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Sports vs. Normal ? Can anyone tell me the mechanical differences between the Sports package suspension and the normal suspension on E39's? I know it's lower and larger wheels, but are there larger sway bars, different spring rates..etc Thanks to all in advance. http://www.geocities.com/emailmeman/home.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 04:49:03 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] hartge HARTGE parts wanted anything considered email me wes ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:04:32 -0800 From: "William T. Wallace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] BMW Price increase? Do you guys think the selling of Rover cause the prices of the next years models to increase to make up for the loss? http://www.geocities.com/emailmeman/home.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 05:24:47 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] BMW Price increase? In a message dated 3/18/2000 4:08:03 AM Central Standard Time, writes: << Do you guys think the selling of Rover cause the prices of the next years models to increase to make up for the loss? >> The marketplace controls price elasticity. It's just that simple. Cheers, Ben White/Ocean Springs, Mississippi ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 05:32:52 -0500 From: Chaz Yoon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] What if the UUC List Members owned BMW...... Interesting cars from UUC management? Yes. But only a few thousand of them would sell a year. At three times the price. Never underestimate the power of marketing. Also, Ford, if it were to buy out BMW, would understand the power of the BMW brand and surely wouldn't try to influence wedge its way in there. Its handling of the Jaguar buyout was very successful and it's probably the best thing that ever happened to Jaguar. From what I heard, its very independently run. It just now has the facilities of Ford research money and facilities. No, you will not see an SVT XK8 -- you get an XKR. Comments are welcome. Chaz On Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 09:00:43PM -0800, Kevin Kelly wrote: > It is scary to think about a Ford takeover and the > inevitable X5 Eddie Bauer Edition (with tan plastic trim), > but not as bad as a GM takeover with a top of the line 750il > Supreme Fleetwood Brougham (with a half vinyl roof, fake > wire wheels and gold style sidewall tires). > > As one of the UUC board members I would vote for a new M5 > TS4 (a M5 Touring with a 500hp supercharged engine and full > time 4 wheel drive). I'm sure that under UUC ownership BMW > would make a lot more interesting cars. > > Kevin Kelly > BMW CCA 50039 - -- Chaz Yoon http://christabel.mit.edu/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 05:52:12 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] What if the UUC List Members owned BMW...... In a message dated 3/18/2000 4:36:36 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Also, Ford, if it were to buy out BMW, would understand the power of the BMW brand and surely wouldn't try to influence wedge its way in there. Its handling of the Jaguar buyout was very successful >> ______________ Chaz, I completely agree. Ford (alone among the US based car firms) is run by car guys or at least guys that listen to the car guys. I think that BMW and Ford would fit well together. It just might happen if the Quandt family can find a way to protect a reasonable amount of the proceeds from the tax collectors. As you and I know, the reality is that BMW cannot remain independent for much longer. Let's hope the successful suitor is one that will nurture the brand. Cheers, Ben White/Ocean Springs, Mississippi ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 06:40:03 -0600 From: Morty Kessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] part list cd Has anyone ordered the parts CD from Central Letter Shop? Would you please e-mail me? Thanks, Mo ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 05:27:33 -0800 (PST) From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] bmw and ford Don Cicchetti wrote: >Focus is WHAT? zippy? I clobbered one with my 29 year-old '02 the >other day.... You'd need a lot of massaging to make an M out of that >little econobox... It's been done, there's at least 1 Ford Focus that'll spank us silly. Driven by some McRae fellow but he pretty much can spank the best rally drivers in the world with it. ;-) A future BMW Focus iX? heh... heh... Carlos 91 M3 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 06:48:56 -0800 (PST) From: stu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: uuc] Different perspective on things > To most of us, the sale of Rover is like "ding dong the witch is > > But The Wall Street Journal doesn't see it that way. (Today's > > > I don't see how this is the case. BMW bought Rover because it had > > What do some of you business types think? Is the WSJ right, or do Don, Well, I ain't no bizness type, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Seriously, I think you're closer to the truth ("who knows what evil lurks in the minds of men") than the WSJ. My guess would be that BMW saw this as an opportunity to undertake a market extension type of conglomerate merger. Lots of buzz words but it just means get something in related product in a non-competing market. They accomplished that, as even the X5 is not a substitute for Land Rover products. However, pretty clearly ex post it was a bad decsion. Most would probably argue it was a bad decsion ex ante. Guess who gets to pay for this error in judgement, fellow Bimwads. Go ahead and order that new M3 or whatever. In retrospect, there might have been a fighting chance if BMW had tried to instill the German magic/technology, etc. into the off roaders with design and engineering changes. Could'a called it a Bover (for Bovarian Motor Werks). Instead of a Bover, they got a Boner! <g> Guess I'll just stay with who brung me. Regards from The Land of Enchantment, Stu ABQ, NM PS. Or, in other words, Don, I agree with you. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 08:54:12 -0500 From: Thomas Philip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <E36> short shifter testimonial I posted a few months ago asking about shifter choices. I ordered the Comp kit on an impulse, but after some consultation with the guys from UUC Motorwerks (thanks, Rob), I decided I'd be better off with the street kit. I just got the thing installed last weekend. Damn, should've done this before. Smooth, short, gorgeous shifts. It's the way God and BMW intended. Even got compliments from the instructors who drove my car at FATT yesterday. Good stuff -- nice work, Rob and Ben. Tom Philip '94 325is ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 15:30:12 -0800 From: "William T. Wallace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Top Speed? To all, How do you calculate the theoretical top speed of an engine? Using the RPM, Torque, HP and final drive ratio. http://www.geocities.com/emailmeman/home.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 09:36:40 -0600 From: Steve Conner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <E30> Seat Repair Question I have a couple of E30 seat repair questions. 1. Have an 89 iX with base seats. These have one lever on the sides for adjusting seat height and seat back recline. The seat back recline part will not lock. You can easily move the seat back and hear a clicking noise caused by something not engaging something else fully. There is a large plastic cover over the hinge area, which appears to be held on by a large plastic nut type of fastener, but removing that does not allow the cover to be removed. Any tips on this before I break something? Wil removing this cover reveal the culprit mechanism? 2. Have a 91 318iC with cloth sport seats. The seat covers are rotten and I have the new factory covers to replace them. Has anyone done this themselves or is this best left to a good upholstery shop? Any and all advice is welcome. I have looked at all the faq's, but can't find anything on these subjects. TIA. Steve Conner Kokomo, IN ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 09:54:41 -0600 From: "Harmon W. Fischer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Engine washing I've kept my BMW engines clean since 1971. Currently on my third E36. Here's my procedure: * Start cold engine - run 3-4 minutes at idle, turn off. * Place Saran wrap around major electrical items: cruise control, diagnostic connectors. Use rubber bands to secure Saran wrap. * Spray everything under the hood with aerosol Gunk, but DO NOT spray the soft under hood liner. Use at least one 19.2 oz can, two if engine is very dirty. Aerosol Gunk can be obtained at Autozone/ Pep Boys/DAP for about $1 per can. * Air filter housing can be first removed to better get at lower reaches of the block, but be sure to put Saran wrap on opening to throttle body. * Use 2" paint brush to spread Gunk into any heavy dirt/oil buildup. Should not be necessary after first complete cleaning of very dirty engine. Do this to entire engine compartment/inner fender walls. * Use medium water spray from hose to wash engine. Don't panic when white water results - this is natural. * If under hood liner is dusty, spray with plain water. * When dry, apply Meguiar's # 40 Vinyl & Rubber Cleaner/Conditioner with a clean rag to all black plastic parts. Obviously, other brands of plastic treatments might suffice. * Repeat every 2 - 4 months, depending upon driving conditions and incidence of oil leaks. I have NEVER had a resulting problem on an E36 after washing when the above cautions are observed. Years ago, sometimes I would get the distributor on a 2002 wet, and had to remove the cap and dry out the inside. Harmon Fischer BMW CCA member # 1806 Oktoberfest Concours d'elegance chief engine judge for many years ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 07:03:53 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] which is the hot ticket?? I have a chipped 86 528e. It is an all around nice car. I try to do about 95% of all my mainteneance and am a pretty good diy'er. I like the rugged and simple E28 for cost and dependability. But, I also like nwer leather interiors and quiet cars which are quick. So, what should my next car be..... I want to spend below $15k. The 525i, too slow??? I would love a 530it, but I want a 5 speed. Aw, how about the 530i with 5 speed? Is this car rugged and dependable, ratttle free???? Can a serious diy'er do fine on one? A whole bunch of questions and opinions if anyone cares to share their experience. Thanks, Bobby Folsom CA 86 528e 85 300d 82 Westy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 09:27:55 -0800 From: Don Cicchetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] bmw and ford >Don Cicchetti wrote: >>Focus is WHAT? zippy? I clobbered one with my 29 year-old '02 the >>other day.... You'd need a lot of massaging to make an M out of that > >little econobox... Carlos replied: >It's been done, there's at least 1 Ford Focus that'll spank us silly. >Driven by some McRae fellow but he pretty much can spank the best rally >drivers in the world with it. ;-) A future BMW Focus iX? heh... >heh... > >Carlos >91 M3 Of course someone has one that will do this, AND beating up on a pore ole Focus with an '02 with an M42 motor in it wasn't exactly a fair comparison. You know, someone somewhere has a 65 Rambler with a Donovan big-block in it that will beat a Viper too! AND, even if you were driving around in a Focus that could beat an M3, you would have to race all the M3's you could find to keep from having to admit that at the end of the day, it's still a silly little econobox that looks vaguely Daewoo-ish... <grin> As with Cody's original humorous post, I was jest kiddin' around, but we all are here on this UUC list, (instead of the USC list - that's Underground Stylin' Club for the put-a-wing-on-it-and-go-cruising crowd) not because BMW's are always the fastest, or always win every race; we are here because the entire package, the entire car is different, in important ways, than appliancemobiles like Hondas and Foci's. (innat the plural of Focus?) Should the spirit of the car ever be changed, (and FWD would certainly do that) many of us will lose interest in the marque. Look at Jag-oo-ar. Has not Ford done a good job of updating the line? Haven't they even made Lucas, the Prince of Darkness, deliver quality electrics for the first time in history? Doesn't Ford deserve praise for this? But look closer and you will see nothing but luxury, luxury, luxury.... the only thing missing is Ricardo Montalban and the Rich Corinthian Leather... (but YOU dahling look mahvelous!) XJ8, Vanden Plas, (what a goofy name!), XJR, XK8, XKR, S-Type, yadda yadda, all automatics-only. Do you want Ford telling you that there is no manual trans available in the M5 any longer??? yikes! Yeah yeah, I know what the F1 drivers use... blah blah... I want my manual trans! And BMW supplies it, in a group of what are surely the best cars, overall, on earth. Go by the Jag-oo-ar booth at a car show and ask why there's no manual trans, and you will get superior-looking smirks all 'round. The same smirks the folks at the Foad booth were giving ten years ago when they said that manuals are "obsolete"... Surprised there's no manuals in the Jag-oo-ar line? BMW needs to stay independent. DC - -- __________________________________________ Don Cicchetti CCA member - guitar player '71 02/M42 "Ingrid" -Beatnik Motor Works- __________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 13:12:00 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Removing Fan...Help! I'm in the process of changing my timing belt, tensioner, water pump, etc. on my '88 325is and need to get my fan off now...but as I turn the large nut behind the fan, the entire unit spins. how do I keep everything tight so that just the bolt loosens itself. What I'm say is that the nut that is behind the fan is attached to a shaft that runs through the engine...when I turn the nut, the entire shaft spins; and therefore, I'm not getting anywhere. In order to loosen the nut to remove the fan, the shaft must be stationary, or tightened down w/ something. What should I do here? Thanks so much Chris Reynolds PS It's like have trying to take off the wheel on your bike...you hafta hold the nut on one side of the axle still and turn the other nut to loosen the wheel. The problem here is I can't keep the shaft still to loosen the nut. Hope you can understand this and help. ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #465 ************************** _________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Bonneville Motorwerks . http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com | Circle Tire Co. 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