[uucdigest] Tuesday, March 21 2000 Volume 03 : Number 484 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: Re: [uuc] Hot 'n Cold rotors [uuc] Honda/BMW: How to Explain "BMW Culture" [uuc] E28 m5 WHEELS FOR SALE [uuc] RE: Cryogenic treatment for brake rotors -- snake oil, or not? Re: [uuc] Honda/BMW: How to Explain "BMW Culture" [uuc] BMW/Ford/GM [uuc] RE: <All> Floor Mats Re: [uuc] F/S 14" Center Caps <----- CAUTION TO DIGESTERS Re: [uuc] Valentine One [uuc] Re: Hot 'n Cold rotors [uuc] Cryo Rotors. Titanic. [uuc] re: BMW Merger speculation-ENOUGH! [uuc] Pressure bleeder question [uuc] Fw: 533i For Sale ---$4800 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:30:40 -0600 From: "Daniels, Jason S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Hot 'n Cold rotors Harvey, Depending what class the car was running in it either had regular iron rotors (cherry red, old E34 V-8 running around road america comes to mind) Or the Carbon Rotors that instantly heat up and give that cool yellow glow. Either way the cost I've seen to cryo the rotor seems a little crazy when you can buy new ones so cheap and they take 15 minutes to change. (E30) Jason Daniels - ---------- > From: Chao, Harvey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: 'Bubbadigest' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [uuc] Hot 'n Cold rotors > Date: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 10:56 AM > > On the topic of cryogenically treated rotors, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said in > part: > >Machine gun barrels get very hot and I think that they would react > similarly > to break rotors . . . > > Which reminded me of a video that BMW recently mailed to me. It addresses > some history of BMW and includes sequences of various points in the > manufacture of current BMWs ( HIGHLY automated by the way) and somewhere > along the line talks about various races BMW has participated in > successfully and how the designs are "torture tested". Some of the quick > race shots show two different BMW chassis being raced, and as the cars flash > by I caught a glimpse of the left front brake disks. In one case, bright > yellow hot, the other, a pretty good cherry red. Just to be sure of what I > was looking at, I stopped and rewound the tape and ran those segments by > again at slow speed/freeze frame. They also showed a bare front suspension > on a test rig where the tires are being driven by rollers and the full range > of turning and suspension travel is being exercised in a lab torture test > that duplicates being driven around some test track. In this sequence, you > also see the brake rotor which appears "normal" suddenly flash to red hot. > > An altogether interesting piece of video tape. > > Harvey > - I live with fear, death, and evil...but I used to be able to turn it off > and use a Mac. " Author Unknown > - Dragged over to the "Dark Side" under duress This day, Thursday, 9/16/99 > - A dark day indeed! > - Failure is not an option. It comes bundled with your Microsoft product. > -- Ferenc Mantfeld ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:40:31 -0500 From: "Scottie Sharpe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Honda/BMW: How to Explain "BMW Culture" "What is so special about BMWs and their design?" If we are in my car ('85 535i) when they ask, I usually ask them to open the glove box and dig out the owners manual, flip open to the "stretching during a long trip" section... What car company gives you a workout routine to keep yourself fit on long trips? That's BMW culture. Scottie Sharpe 85 535i Santa Clara CA GoldMine for Mortgage Lenders www.aspiregold.com *** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:47:32 -0500 From: "tim ng" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] E28 m5 WHEELS FOR SALE I have for sale 5 e28 M5 16" oem BBS wheels without tires. They are in good shape, little clear coat peeling but all straight and true, no curb rash. 4 with center caps and one wheel that was the spare tire wheel. asking $200 obo each plus shipping from Atlanta. I think these wheels will also fit our cars (e30 M3), along with all 5 series. Tim Ng ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:45:06 -0600 From: "Fadeev, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: Cryogenic treatment for brake rotors -- snake oil, or not? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Military personnel claim that tests with machine-guns show > barrel life greatly extended by the treatment. Hundreds of > top flight target shooters are having their best shooting > target barrels treated due to the proven extended life. > Machine gun barrels get very hot and I think that they would > react similarly to break rotors but I'm not sure about > warping. It wouldn't pay if the thing is going to warp > anyway, even if it lasts longer. Two data points: 1. The rotors and the pads are sacrificed to stop your car. If you succeed in preventing rotor wear, you are left with only the brake pads taking the pounding. If this desirable, I don't know. Rotor warping is another matter. Preventing rotor warping would be a good thing. 1.5. Similar questions surfaced in the Roundel a few issues ago regarding 325is that warps rotors for lunch. Satch reported trying the cryogenically treated (as well as cross drilled and gas slotted) rotors on his iX and warping them just as fast as the stock ones. He ended up with Bolos? (or was it another brand, I don't remember) replacing them as needed. YMMV, alex f ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:50:23 -0600 From: Michael Weishaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Honda/BMW: How to Explain "BMW Culture" When I bought my car, a 1988 M3, a guy at work couldn't believe I spent nearly $14k on a (then) 10 year old car that had 85k miles on it. He thought I was crazy. Then I took him for a ride over a lunch hour on a twisty road. I think he understood a little better after that. :) That is the part of the BMW culture that I love. Michael ECHT M3, 121k, pucker factor of 7 right out of the box. Scottie Sharpe wrote: > > "What is so special about BMWs and their design?" > > If we are in my car ('85 535i) when they ask, I usually ask them to open the > glove box and dig out the owners manual, flip open to the "stretching during > a long trip" section... > > What car company gives you a workout routine to keep yourself fit on long > trips? That's BMW culture. > > Scottie Sharpe > 85 535i > Santa Clara CA > > GoldMine for Mortgage Lenders > www.aspiregold.com > > *** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:04:45 -0800 From: "Leif Anderberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] BMW/Ford/GM The Los Angeles Times today, in it's latest edition, reports that the Quandt family spokesman has categorically said: "They will not sell any of their 48% of BMW stock". They also go on to say the Bavarian Government also holds about 20% and there is no way they will allow a foreigner take charge of a Bavarian company. For those of you who know a Bavarian, any Bavarian, you know how extremely nationalistic they are. Their motto is: "Freistadt Bayern" - Free State of Bavaria. Now, let's hope this is where it ends! Aus Freude Am Fahren... Leif ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:08:13 -0500 From: "George, Zachariah (CICG Development)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: <All> Floor Mats What are the "embroidered" floor mats? At this rate, I might be interested too. thanks, Zach '94 325i w/ BMW floor mats... > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:02:49 -0500 > From: "Michael S. Radcliffe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [uuc] <All> Floor Mats > > Kirk Gilchrist: > > I am interested in a set of embroidered floor mats for a 90 > 325ica with > Natur interior for $79.00. > > Let me know. > > Mike Radcliffe > 90 325ica with dingy crappy mats > > >I sell the embroidered mats for $89.00 plus freight. I may > even go a >little > >lower if some of you get together and order 5 or more sets. > (10.00 per set > >lower) > > >"Lowe, Daniel" wrote: > > > Looking for a place to get good floor mats at a reasonable > price. I like > > the looks of the ones from Bavarian but they are nearly > $100 for the set of > > four. Anybody have any suggestions? > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:14:19 -0500 From: "Pat Donahue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] F/S 14" Center Caps <----- CAUTION TO DIGESTERS Just a caution to any digesters considering buying these "caps". Note that this ad isn't for WHEELS, it is for CAPS. This same picture and similarly vague wording was posted weeks ago. When I inquired for clarification I got a very terse message saying they had been sold. I FEEL FAIRLY CERTAIN THIS IS A SCAM ATTEMPT. BUYER BEWARE!! Geeeze - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I have 4 14" caps for the BBS basketweave rims. Here's a picture if you > would like to make sure. http://www.aaarims.com/wheels/59164.JPG My friend > just upgraded to 16" inch rims, and asked me to post a message on here for > him. They are located in Virginia. > > Thanks > Ben > 87 325is ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:20:33 -0500 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Valentine One Mike visited the NE Ohio BMW CCA on March 8 (which I missed due to unforseen circumstances). Sorry for the delay in the response as I just got back from Winter Haven. Best regards, Rich - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:15:10 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] Valentine One >Didn't Mike Valentine come speak for the BMW CCA chapter here in >Indianapolis? Don't know but he was just in an Ohio chapter's meeting. Rich? Did you buy him some shots, get him plastered and force a group purchase out of him? - - -Carlos 91 M3 needing a V1 but wants a cheap one - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:35:20 -0800 (PST) From: John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Hot 'n Cold rotors On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, Chao, Harvey wrote: > race shots show two different BMW chassis being raced, and as the > cars flash by I caught a glimpse of the left front brake disks. In > one case, bright yellow hot, the other, a pretty good cherry red. This is not too hard to spot if you watch a lot of racing on TV, especially Speedvision. I too was surprised the first time I saw that. It's extra cool in a night race. That reminds me, ever watch Paul Morris go for his drag-race start in his 320i against all the other FWD cars? Sometimes they zoom in on his tailpipe just as the flag drops - he's got his foot in it so far that sparks and flames are shooting out. totally bitchin'. :) - -- John Bolhuis | "In America it is not considered to be mentally ill bolhuijo | when a woman advances on her prey in a discotheque @bolhuijo.com | setting with hardy cocktails present." | -Madonna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:34:51 -0500 From: "Neil Deshpande" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Cryo Rotors. Titanic. Alex: I do not believe this would have saved the RMS Titanic. Having built the Titanic in the days before the Charpy impact test, the Britons did not realize how brittle her hull was. Too much sulphur in it. A paperweight off the designer's desk made of the same metal as the Titanic was recovered and analyzed for sulphur a few years ago. The brittle metal was unable to absorb the impact as well. The Charpy (Izod, etc.) impact test allows a hammer of a certain shape to fall on a metal block of a certain shape. The deformation of the metal or the post going-through-the-metal deflection of the hammer is a measure of the brittleness of the metal. As far as I know, the Titanic had two other problems: 1. A non-reversing steam turbine that flowed water over the rudder. When the captain saw the iceberg he took the turbine offline. This slowed the forward speed somewhat, but he lost rudder control since the reversing engines on either side did not flow over the rudder. Lack of experience with the non-reversing turbine led to this bad decision. 2. The watertight compartments did not have walls to the top. I think most people are familiar with this one. If the captain had rammed the berg head on it might have flooded few enough compartments to keep the ship level, and not flood the compartments. Neil Deshpande 1988 325 iS 1989 325 iC *** Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:19:24 -0500 From: "Cagann, Alexander" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: [MISC] Cryogenic treatment for brake rotors -- snak e oil, or not? So, would this have saved the Titanic? Alex Cagann 88///M5 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:39:23 -0800 From: "Kevin Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] re: BMW Merger speculation-ENOUGH! Michael J. Greto wrote: >With BMW no longer flushing cash down the Rover >commode, it is now the most profitable auto manufacturer >(margin %) on the planet. Why would Ford first buy Rover >and then BMW? They would have bought the whole she-bang >if it was for sale. Ford did not buy "Rover" (the car company that was loosing about a Billion dollars a year) it bought "Land Rover" (the profitable truck/SUV division of Rover) who's U.S. sales increased 33% in 1999 after record sales in 1998. I read that Ford makes more money on a Lincoln Navigator that sells for around $50K than any other vehicle. I bet that Land Rover makes even more on a $70K top of the line Range Rover. >The whole point of dumping Rover was so that BMW >can remain independent. >The Quandt family is staunchly against BMW losing >its independence. I seriously doubt BMW will be >bought by anyone anytime soon. I'm impressed you got to talk with the Quandt family about what they are going to do with BMW, all the reports I have read said the family was not commenting on their plans ;-) Kevin Kelly BMW and Land Rover Owner Who doesn't care who owns the companies as long as they keep making interesting vehicles that are fun to drive. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:04:07 -0500 (EST) From: Moe Drippins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Pressure bleeder question I see in teh latest Bav Auto mag a pressure bleeder, made of plastic, using a hand pump (not unlike the pump on a home garden pesticide sprayer) rather than an air line inlet to provide pressure. Anyone know anything about these? Are they worth the $39.95? - -- Just Moe '95 540 6 speed, BL/SS BMWCCA Peachtree Chapter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:06:33 -0600 From: "Brian Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Fw: 533i For Sale ---$4800 Well, this car was sold but buyers bank wouldn't finance it so, it is available again. Subject: Fw: 533i For Sale ---$4800 Subject: FOR SALE: Immaculate 83 533i 5 speed-- $4800 It's time for me to sell my "back-up" car, I bought a truck to replace it). I bought this car 3 years ago and it has been bullet-proof reliable. Miles are about 159K (you would think it was half that or less to look at it or drive it) I have recently replaced the following: 1) All the chrome trim around the front and rear glass (turns brown with time) 2) All the wheel badging, the hood and trunk badging, 3) New A/C compressor (3 years ago) 4) 5 new Michelins (5,000 miles ago) This car is all original White paint (never wrecked) in amazing condition with virtually no door dings, (some light scratches on surface of paint) and an immaculate Dark navy interior (no dash cracks or upholstery rips, excellent carpet) ----A very impressive example of an early 5 with power sun roof, windows, locks, mirrors and On Board Computer. It is immaculate inside and out with ice cold A/C . As is common on all these cars, it uses a bit of oil between changes (valve stem seals) but there is no smoke evident at all. > This is a great daily driver or pump up the tires and go Autocross on the > cheap!! > > Email pictures are available on request. (This takes a bit of time to > do, so interested parties only please) > > Brian > Dallas, TX > 214-328-6858 > or > 214-543-6706 Mbl. > > > ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #484 ************************** _________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Bonneville Motorwerks . http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com | Circle Tire Co. (used & classic BMW parts) e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Curry's Auto Service . http://www.currysauto.com | Eurosport . http://www.eurosport-hp.com | Koala MotorSport . http://www.koalamotorsport.com | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | The Ultimate Garage . http://www.ultimategarage.com | UUC Motorwerks . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com | Zionsville Autosport . http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com ����������������������������������������
