[uucdigest] Tuesday, March 21 2000 Volume 03 : Number 485 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] Re: Great video clip Re: [uuc] F/S 14" Center Caps <----- CAUTION TO DIGESTERS [uuc] <All> Floor Mats Group Purchase [uuc] BMW/Ford/GM/AOL [uuc] <WOB> Cryo treatments = snake oil Re: [uuc] RE: <All> Floor Mats [uuc] Re: Tire pressure Autocross - Michelin sport [uuc] RE: Pressure Bleeder Question Re: [uuc] Cryogenic treatment for brake rotors [uuc] <Z3> Roll Bars? [uuc] Enthusiasts [uuc] Common <E36> problems [uuc] <all> Euro Sport Engineering [uuc] Red Hot Rotors, ??? about cyramic rotors [uuc] DIFFULT STARTING ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:37:39 -0500 From: "Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Great video clip Obvious use of the rear brake to bring it back from over-centre would suggest skill. Getting it over-centre in the first place would suggest lack of skill...... ;-) Bet he had to clean his pants after that one. Brett Anderson www.koalamotorsport.com Home of the E30 M3 CD-ROM repair manual > Not BMW content, but very nice video clip you will appreciate. > > http://home.flash.net/~rdframe/max.html > > Alex Cagann ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:46:41 -0500 From: Ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] F/S 14" Center Caps <----- CAUTION TO DIGESTERS "When I inquired for clarification I got a very terse message saying they had been sold. I FEEL FAIRLY CERTAIN THIS IS A SCAM ATTEMPT. BUYER BEWARE!!" Yea, I sold those other ones. Read the message, I'm posting this for my friend. What else can I say other than that I dont have them anymore? Thanks for that grade A slander there Pat, I appreciate it. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:08:30 -0500 From: "Lowe, Daniel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <All> Floor Mats Group Purchase Zach, Mike, any others interested, I am less than 30 minutes from Eurowerks and am going to go look at their mats within the next week. I will volunteer to coordinate a group purchase if anyone is interested. I will report back about the quality and pricing after I have visited Eurowerks. Let me know if you are interested. Regards, Daniel L. Lowe BMWCCA #93878 '87 325is '88 535is ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:08:29 -0700 From: "LOW,GAK-WEE (HP-Cupertino,ex3)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] BMW/Ford/GM/AOL Since we are into M&A. How about AOL + BMW ;-) ? We get the BMWs for $21/month but everytime our cars stop at a red-light we are forced to read ads. Cheers, Gak '89 M3 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:04:45 -0800 From: "Leif Anderberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] BMW/Ford/GM The Los Angeles Times today, in it's latest edition, reports that the Quandt family spokesman has categorically said: "They will not sell any of their 48% of BMW stock". They also go on to say the Bavarian Government also holds about 20% and there is no way they will allow a foreigner take charge of a Bavarian company. For those of you who know a Bavarian, any Bavarian, you know how extremely nationalistic they are. Their motto is: "Freistadt Bayern" - Free State of Bavaria. Now, let's hope this is where it ends! Aus Freude Am Fahren... Leif ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:25:56 -0500 From: "Osterbrink, Mark (AFS-Warren)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <WOB> Cryo treatments = snake oil Sorry to pollute the digest with this. I too have looked for information on this topic, to no avail. While cryogenic treatment does aid with austenite to martensite transformation, this only applies to steel. And in this process, the cryo treatment does not do the stress relieving, that's done by the tempering heat treatment applied after the cooling. The only reputable source I've found on this is my old materials professor (Ph.D.. in Metallurgy). His response was "Cryogenic treatments can help convert retained austenite to martensite, but I'm very skeptical of any stress relief claims. In the examples I've seen, there was no evidence of stress relief from the process." All of these "magic" cryo treatment places seem to start with the A to M transformation and its benefits in specific applications, which is valid, and then stretch it to anything you want to pay them to treat - rotors, pistons, your family jewels, and make all kinds of incredible claims - no stress, triple life, last for hours, etc. All of their evidence is anecdotal and uncontrolled and falls into the testimonial category. Even the paper that someone posted the link to ran the same course - from treating tool steels with valid references, to cryo treatments for all, with references from the places that sell cryo treatments. If anyone actually has information regarding the process (other than A-M transformation), I would love to see it. Especially anything that explains how the process can benefit materials other than steel, and how it relieves stress. My advice is unless you know you have a problem with retained austenite in a steel part, save your money. And spend it on Energy Release ;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:11:57 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] RE: <All> Floor Mats In a message dated Tue, 21 Mar 2000 1:09:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, "George, Zachariah (CICG Development)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > What are the "embroidered" floor mats? > At this rate, I might be interested too. > > thanks, > Zach > '94 325i w/ BMW floor mats... Meaning that the ///M Logo is not glued on but stiched with differnt color threads that match the logo colors!! Fletch > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:02:49 -0500 > > From: "Michael S. Radcliffe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: [uuc] <All> Floor Mats > > > > Kirk Gilchrist: > > > > I am interested in a set of embroidered floor mats for a 90 > > 325ica with > > Natur interior for $79.00. > > > > Let me know. > > > > Mike Radcliffe > > 90 325ica with dingy crappy mats > > > > >I sell the embroidered mats for $89.00 plus freight. I may > > even go a >little > > >lower if some of you get together and order 5 or more sets. > > (10.00 per set > > >lower) > > > > >"Lowe, Daniel" wrote: > > > > > Looking for a place to get good floor mats at a reasonable > > price. I like > > > the looks of the ones from Bavarian but they are nearly > > $100 for the set of > > > four. Anybody have any suggestions? > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: 21 Mar 2000 13:12:40 -0800 From: Gleb Arshinov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Tire pressure Autocross - Michelin sport >>>>> "Al" == Al Hyman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Al> I have a 99 M3 and plan to participate in a couple of driving Al> events this spring. For drivers schools and Autocross what Al> tire pressure should I use for the stock Michelin Sport Al> tires?? 37/37 cold works well for me on the track (and street). As you'll be told at the track school, once you set pressures, stick with them for the day. Fiddling with them will hurt the learning experience. For autocrosses pressure would be more dependent on the driver. If you are overdriving the car and plowing through the corners, your front tires really take a beating. In that case you really want to increase the pressures up-front. OTOH, I don't seem to put that much side-load on the rears during autocrossing. Anyway, I plan to run 42/38 cold for autocrosses (I ran 40 up-front last time and it was not enough). OTOH, I am a very poor autocrosser, for now at least. Gleb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:17:02 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] RE: Pressure Bleeder Question Moe D. wondered if the BavAuto Pressure Bleeder was any good. As it happens I had recently bought the same device direct from the mfr. I haven't used it yet, but I can vouch for the apparent quality of it. It's heavy gauge plastic for the tank, the pressure gauge is decent, and the hose connections, etc. are decent. No disrespect to Steve D's bleeder, but for occasional use I think it's going to be fine. IIRC the price direct was about the same as BavAuto's, but if anyone wants the info email me and I'll look it up. Don't have the link or address here at the office. Rgds, Chris Whitney '88 535i ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:46:05 -0600 From: Dave Mulhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Cryogenic treatment for brake rotors Diversified Cryogenics is a shop here in Minnesota that does the cryo treatment of rotors, among other items. They are located just outside of the University of Minnesota campus. (Where I go to school :) I personally don't have any experience with them, but I have talked to a few club members that have. Kim Crumb and Paul Dzimiman are two names that come to mind. Everyone has had only good things to say about them. Bill Groschen, owner of Diversified Cryogenics, hosted a Northstar BMW club meeting at his shop. Have gave us the full tour of his outfit. It was pretty impressive. He has been doing this for awhile now, and has refined his technique. If anyone is more interested about the process, I suggest you contact someone from Diversifed, or check out there web site at www.frozenrotors.com There is a lot of good information there. Dave Mulhouse ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:53:36 -0800 From: "Scott D Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <Z3> Roll Bars? Stan and his lady friend Sandra came to our GGC autocross in her Z3 1.9. It was just her first autocross, but now she's all excited about motorsports and wants to go do a race track driving school in the Z3. Stan, a former CCA member who has been doing all kinds of motorsports stuff for decades (still owns a Tii), can get Sandra into an upcoming driving school (not a CCA school), but first the Z3 needs a roll bar. The roll bar can be bolt-in, but the top must remain operable once the roll bar is in. Their target date is to have it installed within a couple of weeks. Here are Stan's questions: 1. Is a suitable roll bar available in Northern California? Where? Contact info? 2. If not available locally, is there a good bar available that can be shipped to the S.F. Bay Area in time for them to get it installed within the target time frame? If so, who sells it? Contact info? Please direct your replies to me, and I'll forward them to Stan. He does not read his e-mail regularly, so I'll have to call him with the info. TIA for any advice and information. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA #44977 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:11:29 -0800 (PST) From: "K.C. Boyce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Enthusiasts Tim writes: > I've seen newcomers to the E34 board at bimmer.org > get scared away by all the 'problems' the cars have. > I have to remind them that your average Honda and > Toyota owner wouldn't even notice all the little > squeaks, squawks, and rattles that bimwads will > spend weeks trying to fix. That's why they call us > enthusiasts. Amen, brother! The most telling thing to me is when I spent an entire hour and a half drive trying to figure out where a rattle was coming from. Near the end of the drive, I mentioned the rattle to a friend who was sitting shotgun, and he said, "Huh? What rattle?" I guess enthusiasts just become pathologically obsessed with minor irritants that most people simply ignore. KC Boyce '85 325e E30 Eta Page: http://rikki.coloradocollege.edu/~k_boyce/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:17:55 -0800 From: "Boyd, David (Neighbour Boy)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Common <E36> problems Thanks to everyone that provided me with a list of the common E36 problems. Unfortunately the car we were going to look at was already sold, but there's a few more out there so this will still come in very handy. Here's a summary of what I got. Driveline: - - Water pump will need replacement because of the plastic impeller (M50) - - Radiator - look for cracks in the plastic neck - - Defective ignition coils in some of the '91 and '92. - Call the dealer to find out which cars are affected - - Drive belt tensioner - - Profile gasket on the earlier 318's (M42) - - cracks in plastic thermostat cover (M50) - - sticking thermostats (M50) Suspension: - - Outer ball joints go bad - - Rear shock mounts go bad Interior: - - Window switches - - Door panels seperate because of insufficient glueing - - Dashboard vinyl can seperate over the center vent - - Seat heater elements break - - Glove boxes misaligned - especially earlier models - - chipping trim around the tweeters in the front door panels Exterior: - - Plastic headlight covers get foggy over time Misc: - - brake light switch Just some other side notes - I got a few differing opinions about 93's being easier for city driving because of the VANOS providing a better torque curve. A few folks said the earlier models are just fine, some others said they liked the VANOS much better - so I'll just have to use my judgement. Also, everybody that responded said something about "great car, I love it, go for it" not that I'd expect to hear anything else. Thanks again. - --David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:16:57 -0500 From: Rich Beebe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <all> Euro Sport Engineering has anyone had any luck contacting ESE lately? phone number on their web site is "inactive" and they haven't responded to my email yet. thanks for any insight. rich beebe ncc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:36:13 -0500 From: "Bryan Watts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Red Hot Rotors, ??? about cyramic rotors > > race shots show two different BMW chassis being raced, and as the > > cars flash by I caught a glimpse of the left front brake disks. In > > one case, bright yellow hot, the other, a pretty good cherry red. Heck, you can even see this at your local driving school if you look hard enough. Its more apparent in cars with big brakes and black wheels. The silver wheels seem to create too much glare during the day and cover up the rotors, but black wheels don't reflect any light and you can see straight through to the rotors. I saw it this past weekend watching at the end of a 120 mph straight. As a certain 944T with black wheels would come off his brakes at turn in, you could see the red-hot rotors peaking through. Makes you realize how much stress you can put on brakes at the track, no wonder some people go home with warped stock rotors. Now if the 13.5 inch, slotted, vented rotors mated with 4 piston Brembo's and cooled with ducting on the LTW ever warp, then you'll know that there's a problem. Speaking of rotors, the Brembo's on the front of the LTW are very similiar to the MOVIT kit brakes (Yes, I realize he P-car brakes are actually stronger, but the car was built by its previous owner). From Brembo they are called the F40 application. Does anyone know if it would be possible for me to use the new cyramic P-car rotors with my brake setup when they come out? Also, what type of paint is used on the P-car and Brembo calipers from factory? Are they powdercoated? Mine are looking pretty bad and I am looking to refinish them, maybe in the lighter blue in the BMW Motorsport flag. I have seen other painted calipers, but the paint never seems to have the same glossy finish that a new set of Brembo's has. Thanks, Bryan H-prep M3 CSL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:17:19 -0800 From: Al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] DIFFULT STARTING I have a 1989 525 which starts promptly most of the time, but occasionally (and there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason when it happens) I have to let it crank for up to 15 to 20 seconds; at which time it reluctantly starts as if it were flooded, i.e., it starts slwly and then gains momentum. I have installed a pressure gage ( that pokes out of the hood)and sometimes it retains pressure between one hour and overnight and some times it doesn't. Shouldn't the system retain some pressure for longer than a few days? And what are the chances of the fuel pump check valve not working, or the injectors leaking? I also pinched off the return line and it still loses pressure. I recently was stealing hose clamps from an old Volvo in a wrecking yard and although the car had been there a long time (maybe a year?), there was still pressure in the fuel system. I can't see anything in the Bently manual or the book I have on Bosch fuel injection which says how long the system should retain pressure. I have tried to put a check valve in the gas line before the pressure gage to isolate the problem but I don't seem to get any consistent results. If all else fails, I may get a used fuel pump from a wrecking yard and see if the results are any different. Also the idle is rough but it recently passed the Cal smog inspection as well as the Auto Club Diagnostics test. I put some fuel injector cleaner in am waiting for something good to happen. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1989 BMW 525 1983 VOLVO 240 1986 Vanagon 1995 Maxima (not very exciting but it starts all the time) ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #485 ************************** _________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Bonneville Motorwerks . http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com | Circle Tire Co. 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