[uucdigest]          Tuesday, March 28 2000          Volume 03 : Number 519



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In this BMW UUC Digest:

       [uuc] Eurosport/Conforti Intake - Road Test Results
       [uuc] RE: <E30> tire question
       Re: [uuc] I NEED HELP BIGTIME!!!!!
       re: [uuc] ATE PowerDISC rotors (E30)
       Re: [uuc] RE: <E30> Mysterious rubber pieces under hood.. Prob.?
       RE: [uuc] <E28> Sway bars
       [uuc] The Game Warden <wob>
       Re: [uuc] Motronic/DME interchangability
       Re: [uuc] The Game Warden <wob>
       [uuc] Euro E36 child protection belts?
       Re: [uuc] E36 Alignment specs needed
       [uuc] RE: Speeding, Valentine & Arrogance
       [uuc] Shark Injector (TM)

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:55:23 -0500
From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Eurosport/Conforti Intake - Road Test Results

You can debate the dyno runs all you want, but what counts is real world 
performance.

We made a series of timed runs in two directions on the same stretch of 
road, once with just the JC programming that I've had in my 96 M3 since 
1998, then with the cold air intake installed. Runs were timed in a 3rd 
gear rolling start from 3000 to 5000 rpm, and then on to 7000 rpm, no 
shifts. We timed 7 baseline runs, and 8 with the intake system. Ambient 
temperature for the baseline runs was 51 deg, for the runs with the 
intake system 56 deg. Due to the small differential no temperature 
correction was made, although if anything the baseline performance would 
have been slightly favoured due to the lower ambient. Timing was by hand 
using an electronic stopwatch with split capability.

Data were dumped into a spreadsheet. The two runs with the highest 
deviation from the mean of each set were discarded, then the mean 
difference between each before/after set computed. This is similar to the 
98 tests I made with with just the reprogramming.

Bottom line:
- - No statiscally significant difference was observed between the 
3000-5000 rpm runs with and without the intake system.
- - The 5000 to 7000 rpm times were about 0.25 seconds quicker (5.50 sec 
corrected mean vs. 5.75) after installation of the intake system.
- - Experimenting with the statistical correction method didn't materially 
change the results.

Conclusion: the Conforti intake system buys you about 0.25 seconds 
reduction, or around 4.5%, in 5000 to 7000 rpm acceleration time.

Works for me.

Neil
96 M3 - Conforti Intake, satisfied customer

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:24:10 -0800
From: Dragos Avadanei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] RE: <E30> tire question

i really don't want to offend anyone or bore people with trivia, but
apparently at times it's needed.


> Gary Derian wrote
> 
>       A 225/45 is not (well, maybe 2 or 3 mm) wider than a 205/50.  It is
just

to which Rich replied :

> I do not claim to be tire guru but isn't a 225/45 roughly 124 mm wide
while

both wrong : 225 is actually 225 mm wide from sidewall to sidewall, so the
20mm difference is quite a big one.

http://tirerack.com/tires/frames/tiretech_sidewall_f.html

dragos

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:11:08 -0600
From: Martin Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] I NEED HELP BIGTIME!!!!!

Manuel,
    I think one thing to consider is, did you over tighten the bolt,
causing the bolt to break, or do you think it was cross threaded?
If it was cross threaded and you broke it off, it will be much
more difficult to remove.
    I would recommend removing the oil filter assembly only to
totally eliminate the chance (murphy's law) of getting any
unwanted particles into the oil.
    Today's epoxy adhesives are really strong. It is possible to
glue the bolt to the broke part, but doubtful due to the fact
any epoxy overrun will glue the bolt in place, and the threaded
portion must be pretty loose already.
    If you cross threaded the bolt to begin with, it will require
precise drilling and a extractor of the appropriate size. This is
all made harder due to working in the bottom of a quart jar.
    I would remove it from the car and take it to a machine shop
for the extraction. This way YOU do the labor, saving big bucks.
I would also price a replacement or after market chrome rig.
It may not be your style but if the price is right.....

- --Martin Miller
'93 325isa

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:20:03 -0500
From: neil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: re: [uuc] ATE PowerDISC rotors (E30)

>>Jefrem writes....
>><< my Ate powerslots warped about the time I looked at them as I was
>installing them (OK,  well, within 60 easy commuting miles).  I would
*not*
>recommend them>>
>
>Wow.  This is a surprise.
>
>I installed ATE Powerslots on my 84 325E weekend street/L-Stock race
car and
>after about 5,000 miles (in 18 months) of spirited street driving and 8
track
>days, they are doing great.  Cheap too.  About $45.00 ea. for an E30.

I put the PowerDISC rotors on our 91 318is (with Pagid street pads), and
after 8 months, 5-7k miles, and many a HARD stop, they are as straight
and true as they were on day one (no runout). If you warped them, I
might guess that you have an airflow problem or are using particularly
vicious pads.
Or I could be wrong.
- --
Do Svedanya!
Neil Hitze
'91 318is
'87 325is
'85 318i
http://www.hitze.com/~neil

"..the underdog will eventually survive...." --Colin James Hay
   "This is not a step."  --Heywood Banks

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:48:44 -0500
From: Patrick Burns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] RE: <E30> Mysterious rubber pieces under hood.. Prob.?

James Moran wrote:
> 
> OK...  How do those sheared off teeth make it outside the timing cover
> and land in the engine compartment?  The original post asked,
> paraphrasing, "Hey, what are these rubber bits in my engine
> compartment?"
> 
> Have you ever looked at your engine?

My my, aren't you the wise ass? Yes, I had to look at my engine when I changed
the cam belt and water pump two months ago. The broken teeth could have
scooted out through the space behind the rubber cam belt cover and engine
block on the driver's side under the thermostat housing. Have _you_ ever
looked at an M20 engine?

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:42:30 -0500
From: "Karl Zemlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [uuc] <E28> Sway bars

> Does anyone know if E28 M5 sway bars are a viable upgrade for a 535is?

I'm quite certain the M5 sway bars will cause serious handling problems on
your 535is.

You better send them to me ;)

Karl Zemlin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
BMWCCA 82366
Indianapolis
'85 535i 5 spd, 173,000 miles

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:48:18 -0500
From: "Duane Collie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] The Game Warden <wob>

>Game officers, game wardens, Dept. of Fish and
>Wildlife, whatever they are called in your state, have more authority and
powers of
>arrest than a sheriff, police officer, or even state police officer.  A
police officer cannot cite
>you for fishing, hunting etc. whereas a Game officer can, as well as
speeding etc.

A True Story:

Back in '80, when I used to live in West Boca Raton, FL, there was a gravel
road that was sort-of a shortcut between RT 441 and Hillsboro Road.  It was
about 3 miles long and had this most beautifully curved rocky corner on it
that was fully graded, Wide, WIDE, wide....and slightly banked.  Now, being
gravel and all, it was a dusty sucker...but I'd occasionally take my company
car Caprice Classic down that road when it was splattered with Love Bugs and
due for a wash......there were a few houses nearby, but they were several
hundred feet off the road and only somewhat visible. The corner just BEGGED
ya to toss the car and floor it....you just had to do it.

And of course, when I hit that corner, I'd do what any of ya'll lunatics
here on the list would do....I'd pitch that big pig of a 4-door sedan
sideways and goose it in my best World of Wheels Outlaw style
flat-tracking - kicking up HUGE, ........I mean HUGE rooster tails of dust
and gravel while the rear wheels are spinning, digging for traction in the
marbles.

Then I'd grin with glee.  Make my whole ride home complete, it would.

One day, I did my now-nearly-perfected powerslide on my favorite corner,
content to hear the gravel rattle off the inside of the fender liners as I
had the car all crossed-up sideways in the turn when I look up and see a
Florida Fish and Game Warden blocking the road with his lights a-flashin' on
his State-supplied Ford Bronco...and boy, was he pissed.  Seems he LIVED in
one of those houses "over yonder" and saw that huge dust cloud and heard the
gravel pinging off the big Chevy's fenders and he was gonna be a LAWMAN even
though it was past quittin' time.  He ranted, he raved, and I was surprised
he didn't have an aneurysm right then and there on that very road.

He wrote me up for (get this): Destruction of Public Property, a criminal
1st class misdemeanor.  Just to make sure it would really stick, he also
tagged me for Reckless Endangerment - and I had no idea how the hell he came
up with these beauties, but I was pretty much glad he wasn't gonna shoot me
with his gun, so I kept quiet and signed my citations.

This is also when I first learned at the ripe old age of 24 that there was a
big difference between a traffic ticket and a misdemeanor. Ho Boy.  And I
barely had two cents to my name being fresh out of college.  All the
attorneys I called wanted $ 400.00 or so to represent me...may as well have
been a million.  Didn't have it.  So, I wrote the judge a letter several
weeks before the trial after inquiring of the docket at the Clerks Office,
asking her if it would be totally foolish to try to defend myself in her
court (and I outlined the whole story, above, in the letter). I had no money
to hire counsel.  She wrote back that she could not advise me on the case,
and I had to do what I thought appropriate.  Great.  So I went to court, on
pins and needles....this was gonna be bad.  I figured I was going to spend
the weekend in the county lockup, oh well.

They read off the charges.  The Game Warden is smirking. Today is the day he
gets to nail me to the cross.  Judge calls us both up to the podiums.  She
acknowledges me by asking, "You wrote me a letter on this case, did you not
Mr. Collie?"

'Yes I did, Your Honor'. I replied, wanting to now crawl in a hole, as in
addition to most certainly going to jail, I was obviously going to be drawn
and quartered for breaching some obscure legal ettiquette procedure with
that letter to a judge before a case, and now I WAS GONNA PAY BIG TIME.
This was gonna be REALLY, REALLY BAD.  She remembered that letter.

The judge said, "How do you plead, Mr. Collie?"    "Not Guilty Your Honor,"
I meekly uttered.  I was dying inside.

Judge says, "Tell me your side of the story".  And so I did.  Short and
sweet.  Let's get it over with.

The Judge then turns and looks at the Game Warden, and with her voice raised
about +10 db higher, proceeds to totally and completely humiliate / ream-out
the Game Warden for bringing a frivolous charge like those into her
courtroom.  The guy was getting it so badly, that I think he actually lost
about one inch in height as he slumped over.  She finished by telling him
the NEXT time he comes into her court after issuing a misdemeanor summons,
it better not be for sliding a car on a gravel road that has no traffic on
it.  I got off, scott-free. And to this day, I know it was that pre-emptive
letter that saved me.

After that though, I never did go back on that gravel road. I kinda figured
any more flattracking on HIS road, he really WOULD shoot me the next time,
then toss some gator carcass on my hood emblem and tell eveyone I was
poaching.

- - Duane Collie
The Sled

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:43:26 -0500
From: Patrick Finn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] Motronic/DME interchangability

James Clay wrote:

>  can I just pop an auto computer in a manual car?
>
>

James,
    Most likely the two computers have different fuel maps.  The fuel map for
the automatic probably has a much more drastic spark advance under low rpm-high
throttle operation.  When dealing w/ automatic transmissions, engineers can
afford a higher advance without worrying about knock because they know the
trans will downshift quickly and let the engine rev higher.  If BMW did this w/
the 525/325 automatics, using the auto ECU in a the manual COULD lead to knock
problem under full-load, low-rpm conditions.  Hope this helps

Patrick Finn
'84 733i

University of Michigan
Department of Naval Architecture and Marine Engineering

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 00:00:38 -0500
From: "Rob Levinson - UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] The Game Warden <wob>

How do they write up the misdemeanor if you shoot a Game Officer and mount
his head on the wall?

I have no plans to do such a thing, it's strictly a matter of
scientific/legal curiousity, I assure you.

Great story, Duane!

- - Rob

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Duane Collie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] The Game Warden <wob>


> >Game officers, game wardens, Dept. of Fish and
> >Wildlife, whatever they are called in your state, have more authority and
> powers of
> >arrest than a sheriff, police officer, or even state police officer.
<snip>

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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:59:55 -0500
From: Steven Schlossman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Euro E36 child protection belts?

Do right hand drive E36s have what is called 'child protection' seat belt?

..steven

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 00:21:48 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [uuc] E36 Alignment specs needed

I posted those specs, to be used without having to add the various weights 
inside the vehicle as specified in BMW KD alignment procedure; they are 
applicable regardless of front camber.  The more front camber you can get, 
the better; I would expect close to 2 degrees of neg. front camber with the 
mods you mentioned.  If you should find the car to be on the loose side 
(oversteer) you might want to add some negative rear camber and/or possibly 
add some rear toe-in.  The exact change(s) would be dependent on where the 
car is loose; corner entry, center, or exit.

For autox use, I would recommend changing front toe to 1/8" out (- 0.25 deg) 
total, and the rear toe to at least zero, possibly even toe out to help the 
rear end rotate exiting the corners  Of course there are a lot of variables; 
driving technique, shock valving, tire type, tire pressures, surface type, 
etc. that can influence the final outcome.  The numbers I provided are a good 
baseline setting intended to minimize understeer, yet maintain good 
streetability.  I would also recommend running your front street tires in the 
38 - 42 psig pressure range and setting the rear pressure to achieve handling 
balance; typically somehwere between 32 - 38 psig.

Mark Sipe

 > It's time for my 94 325 to get an alignment, but I'm not sure if I have the
 > right specs. Car is currently running a 95 M3 suspension with 97 M3 strut
 > mounts swapped left to right for additonal negative camber. These are the
 > numbers I had planned on using:
 >
 > Front toe: zero - 1/16" in, total (0.00 - 0.12 degree)
 >
 > Rear camber: 0.8 - 1.0 degree negative, per side
 >
 > Rear toe: 1/16" - 1/8" in, total (0.12 - 0.24 degree)
 >
 > But are they still correct with the front camber change?
 >
 > Thanks,
 > Matt M
 > 94 "325 t 

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 01:01:58 -0500
From: "Scottie Sharpe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] RE: Speeding, Valentine & Arrogance

dragos said:
speeding 110 on a 60 (just couldn't do 120, damn it) road
being reported to the cops by a cell-carrying eclipse driver (the guy was
just green with envy i passed him >-) )This happened to me

***

Actually...

A similar situation happened to me in south central PA. I consider that
geographic area more of a "flight path" than a habitated region of the
Earth. A few years back I was flying my 535is on Rt 22 when I hear on my
police scanner that a car fitting my description is driving recklessly.
Seems a trucker cell phoned in to the police that I was going a little too
fast for his taste. I punched the ABS and stapled it to the double nickle.
Five miles to the nearest exit and the BearTracker is lit up, flashing and
beeping like the robot on Lost in Space. Dammit! Low and behold, a local
fuzz was waiting for me at the exit. I didn't even try to exit. He flashed
me over and asked for my credentials. Soon, an 18 wheeler roared to a stop
behind us. The cop asked me if I was speeding. I said, "I don't believe so,
officer." He looked me over (suit and tie) and asked if I was a doctor
speeding to the hosipital or a lawyer on my way to an important case. I
grimmaced, "No sir, thank you." He told me to stay in my car and waddled
over to the trucker, who had gotten out of his rig and began flailing his
arms about how dangerous I had been driving. F*#$ing jerk. The problem with
America is nobody can mind their own business. The cop put his hand out to
silence the guy, nodded and walked over to me and gave me back my papers so
I could go. Gotta love Bearcat scanners and the burden of proof!

Hey, I should say...I don't want to sound like I'm only coming down on
truckers in this story. I hate cops, too. :-)

Scottie Sharpe (off parole for over a year now...)

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 00:06:06 -0700
From: Josh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Shark Injector (TM)

I have received a large amount of phone calls and email regarding the Shark
Injector (TM).  We are trying to get out as much info as possible.  Over
the next day or two there will be FAQ announcement(s) that should help to
clarify the Shark Injector (TM) status, use, and pricing.  Please refer to
these before calling.  Official current information and announcements
regarding the Shark Injector (TM) will be posted at
www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com


IMPORTANT:

Regardless of what various vendors have been posting on their web sites the
current price of the injector is unknown and to be announced.  If you have
been promised a price then you have been misinformed.  Again, the pricing
is currently unknown and to be announced.

If you are interested in ordering the injector it is highly recommended
that you reserve your position now.  Judging from the overwhelming response
the first production run will be snatched up quickly.

Your reservation can be made by calling 801 463 4919.  If you have
questions regarding the Shark Injector (TM) please check Jim's website.  If
you don't find an answer there please feel free to call.

Thanks

Josh MacMurray
Eurosport
(801) 463 4919 (801) 474 2668 Fax
http://www.sharked.com

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