[uucdigest] Tuesday, March 28 2000 Volume 03 : Number 519 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] Eurosport/Conforti Intake - Road Test Results [uuc] RE: <E30> tire question Re: [uuc] I NEED HELP BIGTIME!!!!! re: [uuc] ATE PowerDISC rotors (E30) Re: [uuc] RE: <E30> Mysterious rubber pieces under hood.. Prob.? RE: [uuc] <E28> Sway bars [uuc] The Game Warden <wob> Re: [uuc] Motronic/DME interchangability Re: [uuc] The Game Warden <wob> [uuc] Euro E36 child protection belts? Re: [uuc] E36 Alignment specs needed [uuc] RE: Speeding, Valentine & Arrogance [uuc] Shark Injector (TM) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:55:23 -0500 From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Eurosport/Conforti Intake - Road Test Results You can debate the dyno runs all you want, but what counts is real world performance. We made a series of timed runs in two directions on the same stretch of road, once with just the JC programming that I've had in my 96 M3 since 1998, then with the cold air intake installed. Runs were timed in a 3rd gear rolling start from 3000 to 5000 rpm, and then on to 7000 rpm, no shifts. We timed 7 baseline runs, and 8 with the intake system. Ambient temperature for the baseline runs was 51 deg, for the runs with the intake system 56 deg. Due to the small differential no temperature correction was made, although if anything the baseline performance would have been slightly favoured due to the lower ambient. Timing was by hand using an electronic stopwatch with split capability. Data were dumped into a spreadsheet. The two runs with the highest deviation from the mean of each set were discarded, then the mean difference between each before/after set computed. This is similar to the 98 tests I made with with just the reprogramming. Bottom line: - - No statiscally significant difference was observed between the 3000-5000 rpm runs with and without the intake system. - - The 5000 to 7000 rpm times were about 0.25 seconds quicker (5.50 sec corrected mean vs. 5.75) after installation of the intake system. - - Experimenting with the statistical correction method didn't materially change the results. Conclusion: the Conforti intake system buys you about 0.25 seconds reduction, or around 4.5%, in 5000 to 7000 rpm acceleration time. Works for me. Neil 96 M3 - Conforti Intake, satisfied customer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:24:10 -0800 From: Dragos Avadanei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: <E30> tire question i really don't want to offend anyone or bore people with trivia, but apparently at times it's needed. > Gary Derian wrote > > A 225/45 is not (well, maybe 2 or 3 mm) wider than a 205/50. It is just to which Rich replied : > I do not claim to be tire guru but isn't a 225/45 roughly 124 mm wide while both wrong : 225 is actually 225 mm wide from sidewall to sidewall, so the 20mm difference is quite a big one. http://tirerack.com/tires/frames/tiretech_sidewall_f.html dragos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:11:08 -0600 From: Martin Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] I NEED HELP BIGTIME!!!!! Manuel, I think one thing to consider is, did you over tighten the bolt, causing the bolt to break, or do you think it was cross threaded? If it was cross threaded and you broke it off, it will be much more difficult to remove. I would recommend removing the oil filter assembly only to totally eliminate the chance (murphy's law) of getting any unwanted particles into the oil. Today's epoxy adhesives are really strong. It is possible to glue the bolt to the broke part, but doubtful due to the fact any epoxy overrun will glue the bolt in place, and the threaded portion must be pretty loose already. If you cross threaded the bolt to begin with, it will require precise drilling and a extractor of the appropriate size. This is all made harder due to working in the bottom of a quart jar. I would remove it from the car and take it to a machine shop for the extraction. This way YOU do the labor, saving big bucks. I would also price a replacement or after market chrome rig. It may not be your style but if the price is right..... - --Martin Miller '93 325isa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:20:03 -0500 From: neil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: re: [uuc] ATE PowerDISC rotors (E30) >>Jefrem writes.... >><< my Ate powerslots warped about the time I looked at them as I was >installing them (OK, well, within 60 easy commuting miles). I would *not* >recommend them>> > >Wow. This is a surprise. > >I installed ATE Powerslots on my 84 325E weekend street/L-Stock race car and >after about 5,000 miles (in 18 months) of spirited street driving and 8 track >days, they are doing great. Cheap too. About $45.00 ea. for an E30. I put the PowerDISC rotors on our 91 318is (with Pagid street pads), and after 8 months, 5-7k miles, and many a HARD stop, they are as straight and true as they were on day one (no runout). If you warped them, I might guess that you have an airflow problem or are using particularly vicious pads. Or I could be wrong. - -- Do Svedanya! Neil Hitze '91 318is '87 325is '85 318i http://www.hitze.com/~neil "..the underdog will eventually survive...." --Colin James Hay "This is not a step." --Heywood Banks Star Trek stuff for sale: http://www.hitze.com/~neil/startrek/startrekforsale.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:48:44 -0500 From: Patrick Burns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] RE: <E30> Mysterious rubber pieces under hood.. Prob.? James Moran wrote: > > OK... How do those sheared off teeth make it outside the timing cover > and land in the engine compartment? The original post asked, > paraphrasing, "Hey, what are these rubber bits in my engine > compartment?" > > Have you ever looked at your engine? My my, aren't you the wise ass? Yes, I had to look at my engine when I changed the cam belt and water pump two months ago. The broken teeth could have scooted out through the space behind the rubber cam belt cover and engine block on the driver's side under the thermostat housing. Have _you_ ever looked at an M20 engine? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:42:30 -0500 From: "Karl Zemlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] <E28> Sway bars > Does anyone know if E28 M5 sway bars are a viable upgrade for a 535is? I'm quite certain the M5 sway bars will cause serious handling problems on your 535is. You better send them to me ;) Karl Zemlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] BMWCCA 82366 Indianapolis '85 535i 5 spd, 173,000 miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:48:18 -0500 From: "Duane Collie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] The Game Warden <wob> >Game officers, game wardens, Dept. of Fish and >Wildlife, whatever they are called in your state, have more authority and powers of >arrest than a sheriff, police officer, or even state police officer. A police officer cannot cite >you for fishing, hunting etc. whereas a Game officer can, as well as speeding etc. A True Story: Back in '80, when I used to live in West Boca Raton, FL, there was a gravel road that was sort-of a shortcut between RT 441 and Hillsboro Road. It was about 3 miles long and had this most beautifully curved rocky corner on it that was fully graded, Wide, WIDE, wide....and slightly banked. Now, being gravel and all, it was a dusty sucker...but I'd occasionally take my company car Caprice Classic down that road when it was splattered with Love Bugs and due for a wash......there were a few houses nearby, but they were several hundred feet off the road and only somewhat visible. The corner just BEGGED ya to toss the car and floor it....you just had to do it. And of course, when I hit that corner, I'd do what any of ya'll lunatics here on the list would do....I'd pitch that big pig of a 4-door sedan sideways and goose it in my best World of Wheels Outlaw style flat-tracking - kicking up HUGE, ........I mean HUGE rooster tails of dust and gravel while the rear wheels are spinning, digging for traction in the marbles. Then I'd grin with glee. Make my whole ride home complete, it would. One day, I did my now-nearly-perfected powerslide on my favorite corner, content to hear the gravel rattle off the inside of the fender liners as I had the car all crossed-up sideways in the turn when I look up and see a Florida Fish and Game Warden blocking the road with his lights a-flashin' on his State-supplied Ford Bronco...and boy, was he pissed. Seems he LIVED in one of those houses "over yonder" and saw that huge dust cloud and heard the gravel pinging off the big Chevy's fenders and he was gonna be a LAWMAN even though it was past quittin' time. He ranted, he raved, and I was surprised he didn't have an aneurysm right then and there on that very road. He wrote me up for (get this): Destruction of Public Property, a criminal 1st class misdemeanor. Just to make sure it would really stick, he also tagged me for Reckless Endangerment - and I had no idea how the hell he came up with these beauties, but I was pretty much glad he wasn't gonna shoot me with his gun, so I kept quiet and signed my citations. This is also when I first learned at the ripe old age of 24 that there was a big difference between a traffic ticket and a misdemeanor. Ho Boy. And I barely had two cents to my name being fresh out of college. All the attorneys I called wanted $ 400.00 or so to represent me...may as well have been a million. Didn't have it. So, I wrote the judge a letter several weeks before the trial after inquiring of the docket at the Clerks Office, asking her if it would be totally foolish to try to defend myself in her court (and I outlined the whole story, above, in the letter). I had no money to hire counsel. She wrote back that she could not advise me on the case, and I had to do what I thought appropriate. Great. So I went to court, on pins and needles....this was gonna be bad. I figured I was going to spend the weekend in the county lockup, oh well. They read off the charges. The Game Warden is smirking. Today is the day he gets to nail me to the cross. Judge calls us both up to the podiums. She acknowledges me by asking, "You wrote me a letter on this case, did you not Mr. Collie?" 'Yes I did, Your Honor'. I replied, wanting to now crawl in a hole, as in addition to most certainly going to jail, I was obviously going to be drawn and quartered for breaching some obscure legal ettiquette procedure with that letter to a judge before a case, and now I WAS GONNA PAY BIG TIME. This was gonna be REALLY, REALLY BAD. She remembered that letter. The judge said, "How do you plead, Mr. Collie?" "Not Guilty Your Honor," I meekly uttered. I was dying inside. Judge says, "Tell me your side of the story". And so I did. Short and sweet. Let's get it over with. The Judge then turns and looks at the Game Warden, and with her voice raised about +10 db higher, proceeds to totally and completely humiliate / ream-out the Game Warden for bringing a frivolous charge like those into her courtroom. The guy was getting it so badly, that I think he actually lost about one inch in height as he slumped over. She finished by telling him the NEXT time he comes into her court after issuing a misdemeanor summons, it better not be for sliding a car on a gravel road that has no traffic on it. I got off, scott-free. And to this day, I know it was that pre-emptive letter that saved me. After that though, I never did go back on that gravel road. I kinda figured any more flattracking on HIS road, he really WOULD shoot me the next time, then toss some gator carcass on my hood emblem and tell eveyone I was poaching. - - Duane Collie The Sled ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:43:26 -0500 From: Patrick Finn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Motronic/DME interchangability James Clay wrote: > can I just pop an auto computer in a manual car? > > James, Most likely the two computers have different fuel maps. The fuel map for the automatic probably has a much more drastic spark advance under low rpm-high throttle operation. When dealing w/ automatic transmissions, engineers can afford a higher advance without worrying about knock because they know the trans will downshift quickly and let the engine rev higher. If BMW did this w/ the 525/325 automatics, using the auto ECU in a the manual COULD lead to knock problem under full-load, low-rpm conditions. Hope this helps Patrick Finn '84 733i University of Michigan Department of Naval Architecture and Marine Engineering ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 00:00:38 -0500 From: "Rob Levinson - UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] The Game Warden <wob> How do they write up the misdemeanor if you shoot a Game Officer and mount his head on the wall? I have no plans to do such a thing, it's strictly a matter of scientific/legal curiousity, I assure you. Great story, Duane! - - Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: Duane Collie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] The Game Warden <wob> > >Game officers, game wardens, Dept. of Fish and > >Wildlife, whatever they are called in your state, have more authority and > powers of > >arrest than a sheriff, police officer, or even state police officer. <snip> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:59:55 -0500 From: Steven Schlossman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Euro E36 child protection belts? Do right hand drive E36s have what is called 'child protection' seat belt? ..steven ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 00:21:48 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] E36 Alignment specs needed I posted those specs, to be used without having to add the various weights inside the vehicle as specified in BMW KD alignment procedure; they are applicable regardless of front camber. The more front camber you can get, the better; I would expect close to 2 degrees of neg. front camber with the mods you mentioned. If you should find the car to be on the loose side (oversteer) you might want to add some negative rear camber and/or possibly add some rear toe-in. The exact change(s) would be dependent on where the car is loose; corner entry, center, or exit. For autox use, I would recommend changing front toe to 1/8" out (- 0.25 deg) total, and the rear toe to at least zero, possibly even toe out to help the rear end rotate exiting the corners Of course there are a lot of variables; driving technique, shock valving, tire type, tire pressures, surface type, etc. that can influence the final outcome. The numbers I provided are a good baseline setting intended to minimize understeer, yet maintain good streetability. I would also recommend running your front street tires in the 38 - 42 psig pressure range and setting the rear pressure to achieve handling balance; typically somehwere between 32 - 38 psig. Mark Sipe > It's time for my 94 325 to get an alignment, but I'm not sure if I have the > right specs. Car is currently running a 95 M3 suspension with 97 M3 strut > mounts swapped left to right for additonal negative camber. These are the > numbers I had planned on using: > > Front toe: zero - 1/16" in, total (0.00 - 0.12 degree) > > Rear camber: 0.8 - 1.0 degree negative, per side > > Rear toe: 1/16" - 1/8" in, total (0.12 - 0.24 degree) > > But are they still correct with the front camber change? > > Thanks, > Matt M > 94 "325 t ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 01:01:58 -0500 From: "Scottie Sharpe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: Speeding, Valentine & Arrogance dragos said: speeding 110 on a 60 (just couldn't do 120, damn it) road being reported to the cops by a cell-carrying eclipse driver (the guy was just green with envy i passed him >-) )This happened to me *** Actually... A similar situation happened to me in south central PA. I consider that geographic area more of a "flight path" than a habitated region of the Earth. A few years back I was flying my 535is on Rt 22 when I hear on my police scanner that a car fitting my description is driving recklessly. Seems a trucker cell phoned in to the police that I was going a little too fast for his taste. I punched the ABS and stapled it to the double nickle. Five miles to the nearest exit and the BearTracker is lit up, flashing and beeping like the robot on Lost in Space. Dammit! Low and behold, a local fuzz was waiting for me at the exit. I didn't even try to exit. He flashed me over and asked for my credentials. Soon, an 18 wheeler roared to a stop behind us. The cop asked me if I was speeding. I said, "I don't believe so, officer." He looked me over (suit and tie) and asked if I was a doctor speeding to the hosipital or a lawyer on my way to an important case. I grimmaced, "No sir, thank you." He told me to stay in my car and waddled over to the trucker, who had gotten out of his rig and began flailing his arms about how dangerous I had been driving. F*#$ing jerk. The problem with America is nobody can mind their own business. The cop put his hand out to silence the guy, nodded and walked over to me and gave me back my papers so I could go. Gotta love Bearcat scanners and the burden of proof! Hey, I should say...I don't want to sound like I'm only coming down on truckers in this story. I hate cops, too. :-) Scottie Sharpe (off parole for over a year now...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 00:06:06 -0700 From: Josh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Shark Injector (TM) I have received a large amount of phone calls and email regarding the Shark Injector (TM). We are trying to get out as much info as possible. Over the next day or two there will be FAQ announcement(s) that should help to clarify the Shark Injector (TM) status, use, and pricing. Please refer to these before calling. Official current information and announcements regarding the Shark Injector (TM) will be posted at www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com IMPORTANT: Regardless of what various vendors have been posting on their web sites the current price of the injector is unknown and to be announced. If you have been promised a price then you have been misinformed. Again, the pricing is currently unknown and to be announced. If you are interested in ordering the injector it is highly recommended that you reserve your position now. Judging from the overwhelming response the first production run will be snatched up quickly. Your reservation can be made by calling 801 463 4919. If you have questions regarding the Shark Injector (TM) please check Jim's website. If you don't find an answer there please feel free to call. Thanks Josh MacMurray Eurosport (801) 463 4919 (801) 474 2668 Fax http://www.sharked.com ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #519 ************************** _________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Bonneville Motorwerks . http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com | Circle Tire Co. (used & classic BMW parts) e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Curry's Auto Service . http://www.currysauto.com | Eurosport . http://www.eurosport-hp.com | Koala MotorSport . http://www.koalamotorsport.com | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | The Ultimate Garage . http://www.ultimategarage.com | UUC Motorwerks . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com | Zionsville Autosport . http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com ����������������������������������������
