[uucdigest]          Tuesday, March 28 2000          Volume 03 : Number 523



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In this BMW UUC Digest:

       Re: [uuc] E28 M5 shop visit....opinions?
       RE: [uuc] E28 M5 shop visit....opinions?
       [uuc] RE: <E30> Mysterious rubber pieces under hood.. Prob.?
       Re: [uuc] testing wheel trueness
       [uuc] <E36 M3> Bav Auto-B&B HP claims
       Re: [uuc] <E36 M3> Bav Auto-B&B HP claims
       [uuc] RE: (WOB) Posting F1 Results
       [uuc] euro bumpers on e23 7-series? Possible?
       [uuc] Removing m50 fan clutch
       [uuc] RE: Transmission oil cooler for auto trans - necessary?
       [uuc] <e28> M5 control arm bushings
       [uuc] RE: Motronic/DME interchangability
       [uuc] Euro Headlamps answer and question
       [uuc] BMW new release - not more SAV's!
       RE : [uuc] BMW/Williams or Williams/BMW??

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:26:08 -0500
From: "Pat Donahue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] E28 M5 shop visit....opinions?

Dang.  What a shame.  The car's not worth fixing.  Tell me where it is and
I'll come pick it up.

Geeeze
http://patdonahue.com/forsale

p.s., :-)
p.p.s.  Learn to do the work yourselves.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Cagann, Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> OK, my friend has an 88M5 with 175 grand on it.  It is beaten up pretty
> nicely.  The other day, a coolant hose broke, the engine overheated a bit,
> and it went in to the shop.  Apparently the engine is ok, but while in the
> shop the mechanic found the following list of items that need work.  This
is
> the list from the mechanic with his part prices and labor.  Please let me
> know your collective thoughts on 1)part prices 2)labor costs
3)alternatives
> to the listed items 4)the mechanics statement that he will not do the work
> unless he gets the parts at his mark up.  He is a bit weary of spending a
> bunch of mulah on this car because it is in such bad shape.  It is a
> shame....really....this M5 has shot interior, dented up panels, etc.
>
> This is the email from my friend:
>
> Dear Alex:
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> <beep> said as follows:
>
> Part Part Price Labor Price
> Idler Arm $47.85 $42
> Front Shocks:
> Bilsteins $160 ea. $168 pair
> Support Arms (2) $119.90 ea.
>  Bushings $41.8 $218.30
> Right Rear Subframe Mount (2)  $38.78 ea. $224 pair
> Rear Brake Pads $60.23 $42
>
> Total $787.24 $694.30
>
> <beep> says he has markup in parts and can't do job without markup.
> Thoughts?
>
> I appreciate your help.
>

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:36:19 -0500
From: "Cagann, Alexander" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [uuc] E28 M5 shop visit....opinions?

I could probably do most of the work....but he's not that good of a friend!
:-)...just a business acquaintence.  Plus, doing all that suspension work in
my garage on my back is not worth it.  Believe me, you don't want to pick it
up.  It would cost you more than it would ever be worth to bring it back to
par.  

Alex Cagann
88///M5

> Dang.  What a shame.  The car's not worth fixing.  Tell me 
> where it is and
> I'll come pick it up.
> 
> Geeeze
> http://patdonahue.com/forsale
> 
> p.s., :-)
> p.p.s.  Learn to do the work yourselves.

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:36:56 -0600
From: "Fadeev, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] RE: <E30> Mysterious rubber pieces under hood.. Prob.?

Patrick Burns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sez:
> 
> Fadeev, Alex wrote:
> > Chuck and the other guy who brought up the timing belt subject:
> > stop spreading this paranoia! There is no way in hell an E30  
> > M20 owner can be asking around if his timing belt is broken. 
> > If it was, he would be the first to know.
> 
> Alex, it is possible for a belt's teeth to be shearing off, 
> but the belt itself not to have broken.

Actually, the timing belt itself does not really break. 
The belt may still look fine from the outside. But with the teeth missing on
the inside, your engine parts do things they were never designed to survive.


> The engine would operate just fine (for a while) with a few 
> missing timing belt teeth, as many teeth are enaged to each of
> the three toothed pulleys at any one time. It's not always an
> all or nothing situation.

Depending on your definition of 'a while', I might beg to differ.
Timing belt teeth suffer equal wear and tear. Eventually, they are worn so
much that they are ready to rip off the belt. When one goes, the same load
that used to be born by X many teeth engaged by the crankshaft gear wheel
are now born by (X - 1) very fatigued teeth. Guess what, the next one in
line rips off, and so on. 
With terminal effects for an M20 engine.

> However, it seems fairly obvious that the belt may indeed be
> due for replacement, and I would strongly suggest not driving
> the car until the engine has been properly inspected to verify
> what exactly the problem is, and repaired if necessary.

There is no way to test/inspect t-belt on an M20 engine short of removing
it. By then you might as well spend the extra $15 to install a new one.
What's more, I would suggest there is no way those missing teeth would fly
into the engine bay with t-belt cover still in place. 

At any rate, this discussion is moot since the original poster figured
(after surviving the digest induced heart attack) that the spare rubber
parts are the missing air box mounts (or something equally trivial).

For those still reading this thread, BMW recommends replacing the t-belt
every 60K miles of 4 years. The digest consensus is to reduce the mileage
range to 50k miles. Once in there, also replace the tensioner and 3
auxiliary belts all of which come off for the t-belt replacement. Consider
replacing the water pump while you are at it as well. If your engine has
150+K miles, your crankshaft seal might also be leaking and begging to be
replaced (another $10).

alex f 

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:46:30 -0500
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [uuc] testing wheel trueness

>By the way, is a 235/40/17tire a good size for these rims or should I
>stick with the 225/45/17 size that was stock?  Not for racing, mind
>you, but I though the larger size might protect the rims better from
>any inadvertent curb taps.

Chris, go with the 225/45's if you want to protect the rims.  I bent
countless number of rims with 235/40 tires on my 95.  OK so it was only 5
rims but one of them was one-a-dem expen$ive Fixme forged ones.

Carlos.

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:34:58 -0500
From: albert jenab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] <E36 M3> Bav Auto-B&B HP claims

I just got the new Bavarian Autosport catalog in the mail today.  Page 9,
there is a graph showing HP increase over stock for a B&B cat-back exhaust
on a 95 M3.  Ahem, it apprears to be something like 40 HP.  I kid you not.
Do these people have no shame?

Maybe they meant dB increase in SPL?  Now that I would believe went up by 40.
- -Al
95 M3  B&B without 40 extra HP, and a bunch of other stuff

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:09:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Chester Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] <E36 M3> Bav Auto-B&B HP claims

C'mon.  People who would sell a "direct fit" HID foglight kit for $1800 have no
shame ;) ...LOL.  Those foglights don't even look like they belong in the
openings..

Chester

- --- albert jenab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just got the new Bavarian Autosport catalog in the mail today.  Page 9,
> there is a graph showing HP increase over stock for a B&B cat-back exhaust
> on a 95 M3.  Ahem, it apprears to be something like 40 HP.  I kid you not.
> Do these people have no shame?
> 
> Maybe they meant dB increase in SPL?  Now that I would believe went up by 40.
> -Al
> 95 M3  B&B without 40 extra HP, and a bunch of other stuff
> 

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:33:16 -0800
From: John Edward Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] RE: (WOB) Posting F1 Results

> It's like taping the superbowl because you've got to be somewhere, and
> then  getting home to start it, and someone telling you who won as you
> walk in the

Ah, but you can't help someone bubbling over at the prospect of (newcomer) 
BMW having collected more driver and mfr points than (heretofore dominant) 
Mercedes this season, can you...?

John.

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:20:07 -0800 (PST)
From: aa ww <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] euro bumpers on e23 7-series? Possible?

I know it can be done on the e28's, but has anyone
done this or have any leads to doing this to an 86
735i? I'm picking up an 81 732i euro for it's
transmission, but I'd like to swap bumpers also.

Thanks,
Aaron
86 735i

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Date: 28 Mar 2000 10:50:57 -0600
From: Mike Schaublin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Removing m50 fan clutch

     
     <David asks about removing the fan clutch from an M50.>  
     
     Sometimes these come off easy sometimes not.  Here's the methods I 
     tried in increasing order of success.
     
     1.  Put wrench on 32mm nut and whack wrench with hammer.  (no luck)
     2.  Stuff a rag between the belt an pulley, put wrench on 32mm nut and 
         whack with hammer (no luck.  Belt still spun on pulley)
     3.  Take long screwdriver and stick tip into belt about 1-2 inches    
         from water pump pulley.  Lever the shaft of the screwdriver 
         against the pulley to keep the belt from moving.  Use your other 
         hand to unscrew the fan clutch.  (Worked like a champ.  Took a 
         chunk out of the belt, but I had a replacement ready.  
     
     HTH,
     
     Mike
         

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:33:22 -0600
From: "Fadeev, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] RE: Transmission oil cooler for auto trans - necessary?

"Eugene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asks:
> 
> I was wondering if I should have an oil cooler for the Steptronic 
> transmission on my E46 328i installed since I attend track 
> events every month.

Eugene,
Start by making sure you do not already have one combined with your
radiator. 
For example, E30 325i automatics had transmission oil cooler built into the
radiator itself in addition to the engine oil cooler below the radiator. 

alex f

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:43:16 -0800
From: Shiv Sikand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] <e28> M5 control arm bushings

Folks,

It's time for me to go the 750 bushing route...Mr Dinan wants $99 a pop,
while Steve'D is charging a far more reasonable $30...

Can anyone guide me here ?

Thanks,
Shiv

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:44:18 -0600
From: "Fadeev, Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] RE: Motronic/DME interchangability

Patrick Finn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> James Clay wrote:
> >  can I just pop an auto computer in a manual car?
> 
> James,
>     Most likely the two computers have different fuel maps.  
> The fuel map for the automatic probably has a much more 
> drastic spark advance under low rpm-high throttle operation.
> When dealing w/ automatic transmissions, engineers can afford
> a higher advance without worrying about knock because they 
> know the trans will downshift quickly and let the engine rev
> higher. If BMW did this w/ the 525/325 automatics, using the
> auto ECU in a the manual COULD lead to knock problem under
> full-load, low-rpm conditions.  Hope this helps

In addition to this great explanation, bear in mind that manual and
automatic ECUs are programmed for different idle speeds. Automatic ECUs are
also programmed expect a data feed from the automatic transmission that will
never come on manual cars. This will result in looping idle when automatic
ECUs are installed on manual cars.  
This programming difference may or may not be rectifiable through a visit to
the dealer. The cost of re-programming was more then shipping the wrong ECU
back to the junk yard in exchange for the correct ECU.

alex f

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:55:49 -0600
From: "Chris Alberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Euro Headlamps answer and question

Perry, and anyone else who's interested:

BMP Design (http://www.bmpd.com) sell the Euro headlamps for $429.95.
Turner doesn't seem to have them on their online catalog anymore - seems
like they're pushing the HID conversion instead.

On a similar note, I have a yen to upgrade the lights on my 99 M3, but I'm
not sure I want to go to the expense/trouble of installing Euro headlamps.
Does anybody have any experience with the Hella (H1 and H4) lights that both
Turner and BMP (amongst others) sell?  Any other recommendations would be
welcome too.

C.


  >Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 01:07:14 PST
  >From: "Perry Shang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  >Subject: [uuc] Where have Euro HeadLamp gone?
  >
  >Hi, All:
  >     Sorry for the blank post, I accidentally pressed Enter key.
  > Before I
  >had a chance, it was out.  Anyway, I was in market to shop for a Euro
  >Headlamp for my car, 95 325is.  to my surprise, I can not find them
  >anywhere.  Only people left who still offer them is from
  >Zionsville.  I have
  >nothing against them, I just need more price comparison.
  >
  >Does anyone has any clue about the availability of the Euro HeadLamp?
  >
  >thanks in advance.
  >
  >Perry.

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 07:42:37 -0500
From: "Peter Gray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] BMW new release - not more SAV's!

>From DLJDirect's news wire this morning:



     MUNICH, March 28 (Reuters) - German car maker BMW AGBMWG.F
hinted on Thursday it could take on rival Ford Motor Co F.N by
developing an entire range of sports utility vehicles following
the sale of its Land Rover division to the U.S. group.
    The group said its BMW brand X5 sports activity vehicle
could be used to pioneer a range that could give it a stronger
presence in one of the car market's fastest growing sectors.
    "I would not like to preclude the possibility, to put it in
somewhat reserved terms, that the X5 might well become the
father of an entire model series," BMW chairman Joachim Milberg
told a news conference.
    BMW's sale of its Land Rover operations for $3 billion came
as part of its decision to drop its loss-making British
subsidiary Rover. BMW had been expected to hang on to the
profitable Land Rover which produces the Range Rover sports
utility vehicle.
    Ford's acquisition of Land Rover, including the Solihull
assembly plant in England, would bring another British brand
into the Detroit-based group's stable. It already owns both
Aston Martin and Jaguar.
    Ford and BMW's boards authorised the deal last week, but it
still falls short of a definitive agreement as it requires due
diligence by Ford and regulatory approval. Ford has said it
expected the deal to be concluded in the third quarter.
    General Motors Corp GM.N said last week it could challenge
Ford's bid for Land 

Peter A. Gray
(v) 518-783-6198
(f) 518-783-7182

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:04:44 -0800
From: Dragos Avadanei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE : [uuc] BMW/Williams or Williams/BMW??

> From: Michael Weishaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [uuc] BMW/Williams or Williams/BMW?? 
> I was looking in the paper yesterday, and they showed the race results
> of the Brazillian F1 race, and I noticed that there was no mention of
> BMW.  They were listed as Williams.  I thought BMW paid big bucks for
> the team to be called BMW-Williams, instead of Williams-BMW.

Actually that is the rule in Formula 1. First nominee is the sponsor (the
tobacco company :-)), then it's the team name (the owner :-)) and last - the
engine supplier. even if the engine supplier holds major stakes in the team
(such as Mercedes holds some x0% in McLaren).

In Williams case, BMW is also major backer, but Compaq gets to keep the
largest decal on the sides. so the team name is Compaq Williams BMW
(although the official website is BMW Williams F1.

> I didn't get to see the race, but it doesn't look like BMW is doing all
that terribly this year (so far).  

right - it's been almost 30 years since a new entry mftr/engine supplier
scored a podium place in the first race.

freude am fahren,
dragos

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