[uucdigest]          Tuesday, March 28 2000          Volume 03 : Number 526



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       [uuc] Re: E28 M5 shop visit....opinions?                 BA
       [uuc] RE: <e28> M5 control arm bushings
       [uuc] Re: <e28> M5 control arm bushings
       [uuc] Re: [uucdigest]E28 M5 shop visit....opinions?
       [uuc] Re: E28 M5 shop visit....opinions?
       [uuc] Re: Euro E36 seat belts, weight loss and Saab motors
       [uuc] remove
       [uuc] E30 erratic idle? explain this one
       [uuc] Track wheels - suggestions pls ??
       Re: [uuc] testing wheel trueness
       [uuc] E28 M5 Repairs
       Re: [uuc] RE: Speeding, Valentine & Arrogance
       Re: [uuc] More on the 2 series
       [uuc] <E28> wiring headlights
       [uuc] digest sponsorship question

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 18:36:53 -0500
From: "Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Re: E28 M5 shop visit....opinions?                 BA

> From: "Cagann, Alexander" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [uuc] E28 M5 shop visit....opinions?
>
> OK, my friend has an 88M5 with 175 grand on it.

>Please let me know your collective thoughts on
>1)part prices

Realistic.

>2)labor costs

They seem low, but you don't give the shops labour rate.  If the labour rate
is above $45 per hour, then these prices are cheap.

>4)the mechanics statement that he will not do the work
> unless he gets the parts at his mark up.

There's a problem with that ?  A business can't survive without X gross
profit.  You get two choices, you pay the business that profit partially in
parts, partially in labour, or you pay it all in labour.

I charge $65 per hour on parts I supply, $125 per hour on parts you supply.

> He is a bit weary of spending a
> bunch of mulah on this car because it is in such bad shape.  It is a
> shame....really....this M5 has shot interior, dented up panels, etc.

It is a shame.  Get this moron out of this car and into the 1983 Ford Escort
that he deserves.

Brett Anderson
www.koalamotorsport.com
Home of the E30 M3 CD-ROM repair manual

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 18:37:22 -0500
From: Don Eilenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] RE: <e28> M5 control arm bushings

Shiv asks:

>Folks,
>
>It's time for me to go the 750 bushing route...Mr Dinan wants $99 a pop,
>while Steve'D is charging a far more reasonable $30...
>
>Can anyone guide me here ?
>
>Thanks,
>Shiv

Uhhhh... if you need guidance on how to save $66.00 - well..

Steve isn't near as rich as Mr. Dinan, and he doesn't spend
a lotta $$$ on fancy ads or a fancy shop. He also is a sponsor
of this digest, which I don't seem to remember Mr. Dinan being.
Steve doesn't have Stage I and Stage II and Stage whatever.. he
just has the parts. You gotta pay for all that staging stuff.

That enough guidance? Oh - Steve's also a nice guy. Never heard
Mr. Dinan called that, but mebbe I wasn't listening..


Don Eilenberger, Spring Lk Hts, NJ JMP#1  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
NJ Shore BMW Riders web page: http://www.monmouth.com/~deilenberger
"You're absolutely right, and I apologize" --Darryl Richman
"Silly me... I apologize."  --Tim Hall  "Sorry..."  --Magwa

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:43:16 -0800
From: Shiv Sikand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Re: <e28> M5 control arm bushings

Don wrote:

> Uhhhh... if you need guidance on how to save $66.00 - well..
> 
> Steve isn't near as rich as Mr. Dinan, and he doesn't spend
> a lotta $$$ on fancy ads or a fancy shop. He also is a sponsor
> of this digest, which I don't seem to remember Mr. Dinan being.
> Steve doesn't have Stage I and Stage II and Stage whatever.. he
> just has the parts. You gotta pay for all that staging stuff.
> 
> That enough guidance? Oh - Steve's also a nice guy. Never heard
> Mr. Dinan called that, but mebbe I wasn't listening..


I was trying to establish if they have the same procedure for
modification and whether or not there is any known quality or
performance issue with one compared to the other. 

I know they both start from the same point, I was interested to know if
one can tell the difference from an engineering standpoint.

Dinan may not be known for his prices or friendliness, but no one I know
faults his technical capabilities and quality of work.

Thanks,
Shiv

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:45:44 -0800
From: Shiv Sikand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest]E28 M5 shop visit....opinions?

The Bilsteins are available for $92 dollars each. So, the mechanic is
charging almost double. Bit high, IMHO...

- --Shiv

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 17:58:36 -0600
From: Scott Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Re: E28 M5 shop visit....opinions?

Alex says, of his friend:

>He is a bit weary of spending a
>bunch of mulah on this car because it is in such bad shape.  It is a
>shame....really....this M5 has shot interior, dented up panels, etc.   

then quotes a price of around $1,600 for a bunch of work.

My view?  Not being an M5 owner myself, that seems like a really, REALLY
cheap price to get so much fixed on a car normally considered to be a
semi-exotic.  If he can't pony up the bucks to keep it running right, he
needs to sell it and buy something he can afford.   I'm honestly not trying
to be snotty here, I'm just saying that if you're looking at economy, an M5
of any year is NOT the way to go, especially if it's not in great shape.
My $.02?  Sell it for parts and buy a 535i.  Parts will be cheaper and more
readily available over the counter.

Hope I didn't offend...

Scott
1985 535i - 250,000 miles, not folded, spindled, or mutilated.

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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:12:16 +1000
From: "Thomas, Andrew j" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Re: Euro E36 seat belts, weight loss and Saab motors

Steven ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:

> Do right hand drive E36s have what is called 'child protection' 
> seat belt?

I'm assuming by "Euro" you mean LHD and RHD cars (RHD for UK and Eire only,
although I think Malta drives "that way" too). There was no mention of a
"child protection" seat belt in my 1995, RHD E36 owner's manual, only a
section on how to fit child seats to the front or back (passenger airbag was
not standard in this market for '95). The only concession to size was a
fitment that allowed the vertical adjustment of the upper belt anchor on the
B-pillar, but this was present on the driver's side too. Plus, of course,
the usual inertia-reel arrangement and a device that fired in the event of
an accident, retracting the seal belt down tight.

Ben ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:

> possibility of all alloy body to keep weight down despite 
> the cost penalty, rather than steel body with alloy subframes, 
> suspension & brakes.

I can buy the subframe, suspension and brake theory, but I wonder about the
validity of the alloy chassis. This car will have to be cheaper than, or as
cheap as, the 3 series, and previous use of expensive spaceframe technology
has not shown huge weight advantage so far. Audi's alloy A2 is very light,
at under 1000kg, but it's a still a small car that wouldn't weigh much more
if it was made of steel.

> weight target of 1000kg

That'll be the day :). 

Michael ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:

> Hopefully you can clarify, but isn't the V-6 used in the 9-5 just 
> a turbo-charged derivative of the GM one used in the Catera/Omega, 
> or I am totally offbase here? BTW, I recently had the chance to 
> drive the latest Saab turbo 4 in the 9-3, and it was impressive, 
> especially on the highway. 

This question was aimed at Neil D but as John points out, Saab's V6 is
fundamentally a Euro-GM design. Saab persists with the blown I4 (based on a
Triumph 2000 engine, apparently!) because of the torque delivery, it's a
"clean" engine emissions-wise, and very efficient. And I've read that a
large proportion of Saab's loyal customer base won't consider anything else.

On Neil's point, I doubt that BMW could improve on its current engine
designs with more money. I'm biased of course but it already makes some of
the best engines in the world. Certainly the diesels are at the top of the
tree and the M engines have always had few, if any, peers. But perhaps their
smaller motors could do with a bit more character these days (I'm talking
about the fours here). BMW's last foray into the budget market ended in
ignominy in its biggest export market, but smaller and cheaper models from
prestige manufacturers are always very popular in European countries.
Including the Mercedes A-class, incidentally, whose diesel versions are
seemingly being bought by minicab firms by the boatload.

Andy T

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 19:14:47 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [uuc] remove

 

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 19:24:41 -0500
From: Quenton B Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] E30 erratic idle? explain this one

I am not a techno guru so I don't know how this happened but I am glad
it did.

 When I brought my 1985 325e (2dr) out of its temporary winter
sabbatical, the 3 year old battery was having a hard time starting the
engine (I had kept it on a trickle charger most of the winter. . . but
every now and then I would take her out for a spin when the roads
cleared up so that the tires wouldn't  go out of round and to just give
her a little "exercise" . . . but I had neglected to reconnect the
charger during the last 5 weeks because we had some record breaking warm
weather for a while) so I took her to Batteries Plus (where I purchased
the battery with a warranty) to have them check the battery.   As
expected it was only producing about 40%. . . this is where the 1st
problem begins.  Batteries Plus did not have the correct battery in
stock, so they placed an order for a new battery. . . well the
manufacturer of the battery that was in the car no longer supplies
batteries to Batteries Plus and the battery they have to replace it is
to tall to sit in the trunks battery well with the cover over it, plus
the battery didn't have the connection for the vent hose either.  So you
are probably asking yourself about now. . . "I thought he had an erratic
idle problem?".  Well, a few years ago my car had developed the not
unusual erratic idle surging after warming up.  I had dug into the
archives and tried the cleaning of the ICV and as they had stated, it
had gummed up, but my car still surged.  Then I found the trick of
drilling a whole in a penny, inserting it in the hose that leads into
the the top of the ICV (it's funny how the hose widens at the  end that
goes into the ICV and a penny fits perfectly in the hose when you push
it all the way in to where the hose begins to constrict). . . but I
digress. . . that little trick worked and my engine idled perfectly
around 750-800 RPMs.  [THANKS TO WHOMEVER CAME UP WITH THAT LITTLE
FIX!!!]  Now, to come up to date. . . since I had been waiting for
Batteries Plus to come up with a battery. . . I had been driving around
with jumper cables    in case I get stranded (which happened a couple of
times) AND the erratic idle surging problem reared it's ugly head
again!!!.  Every racer wannabe was screeching off from the light for the
past week thinking I wanted to drag race with them. . . sheeshh. . .
well anyway, it appears BP (Batt/Plus) is having difficulty finding this
battery, so they called me today to put in a temporary (of which I am
grateful).  Also, today I had made some calls, reticent that I was going
to have to finally  plunk down the $$$ to buy an ICV (or if that didn't
work, an ICM).  But when they put the temporary battery in and I started
the car . . . I let it continue to run as we went back in the store to
do paperwork. . . I expected the car to be doing its usual surging when
I came back out . . . it wasn't.  The surging had stopped and the engine
is again idling between 750-800 RPMs. . . which is fine and dandy in my
book.    So do any of the tech gurus know what happened?  Is the
strength of the car's battery somehow connected with the electrical flow
that's needed to modulate the car's idle?

Quenton Smith
1985 E30 325e
1998 Ford F150 
contemplating the purchase of an E32????  I must be crazy. . .but I
luv'em anyway

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 19:31:14 -0500
From: Linda Rowlison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Track wheels - suggestions pls ??

Ok, I been sitting on the sidelines watching for all too long now. Time
to jump in...
I finally have a legit Q...

I've been doing several schools here in Ontario(Mosport) and
Quebec(Tremblant) last year with a set of Momo Arrows shod with BFG
G-Force R1's.  The wheels have been good for my first season, -  bought
them used, - guy said they were "perfect" but of course they are not!
Anyways, they've been relegated to my snows this past winter and after
having just put the OEM wheels and tires(summers) on the car last week -
what a difference - I guess I forgot how good my others were.

So, I need some advice if any one would care to offer it on a) the best
track wheels (ie. read lightest/stongest)   vs. b) the best for the $$

I remember reading in this or other lists about the "IFG".  Don't know
if I can get these in the Toronto/Canada or not???   Also, the
wheel/tire guy at one of our better shops here is trying to sell me on a
set of "Team Dynamic - Monza's"   They look like the one many BTCC cars
use (multi-spoke - flat face)   Has anyone out there used these?  The
tire guy says there as strong as hell, yada, yada, yada and that's why
the BTCC cars use that style of wheel...(More (thin) spokes = strength
and continuity but a little more weight)

Also, just in the midst of putting together a track car for club and
local events here so they will be used on a prepared car eventually if
it makes any difference.

Any qualified opinions from users or the like of any wheel would be much
appreciated.
Thanks in advance,

Dave Rowlison, Toronto
'97 M3/ 2
Boston/Modena, BL/ss'd, x'd, B&B Triflow.

'95 325 4 dr - Track/race project (in process)

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 19:27:04 -0500
From: Steven Schlossman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] testing wheel trueness

At 10:23 AM -0800 3/28/00, Christopher Myers wrote:
>Does a tire shop need a special machine to test the trueness of a
>wheel, or can they just use a balancing machine.

I don't think so. I had new tires mounted and balanced and with my
untrained eye I could easily see one of my wheels slightly out of round.

..steven
1998 E36/5

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:38:00 -0800
From: "Michael Lesser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] E28 M5 Repairs

Not only does the guy have to eat, but he deserves a fair price for his work, and that 
includes the parts he provides. If your friend wants to buy the parts mail-order, at 
discount prices, then perhaps he should do the work himself or with the help of 
friends.

On the other hand, it might be a good idea to find a good service shop (maybe this 
mechanic is it), and develop a relationship that will pay off in the long term with 
someone who will know the history of the car, be able to anticipate work that needs to 
be done  and repay your friend's loyalty to him down the line. I thinlk it is well 
worth the  extra 10% or so that the initial parts will cost. Especially with an old M 
car, it is a very good idea. I have owned 3 BMWs for the past 27 years (2002=15 years, 
tii=8 yrs., E28 M5=2.5 yrs.), and the independent BMW shop I use in San Francisco is 
the best friend my cars and I have ever had.

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 18:58:41 -0600
From: "Daniels, Jason S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] RE: Speeding, Valentine & Arrogance

They can't issue you a ticket unless they saw it. Only if contact was made
between the two vehicles, and there was paint transfer/ damage to either
car. The law should be similar in most states. (father was the chief of
police and a patrolman for 33 years.)

jason daniels

- ----------
> So the moral of the story is: even if some #@%$ calls you in over the
> phone/CB, the cops can not issue a ticket unless they personally
witnessed
> the event?
> True or false?
> 
> inquiring minds want to know...
> alex f

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:05:56 -0500
From: "Rob Levinson - UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] More on the 2 series

Wow, that's amazing!

(That they spelled all the words right.)

;-)

- - Rob

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> Due to AOL, the following.  This is what you can find with a quality
provider
> <G>
<snip>

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:23:47 -0500
From: Patrick Burns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] <E28> wiring headlights

I'm ready to install a set of E-code lamps, and I'm building a totally over
the top wiring harness with 12 gauge power leads to the relays, bulbs, and
ground. My problem stems from the fact that I don't see how to wire the relays
such that the low beam fault indicator doesn't light up. I just tried leaving
one low beam lead plugged into a standard sealed beam lamp, and wiring the
other to switch a Hella 15A relay, and even when the relay engages, the fault
indicator lights up. I imagine the fault system detects amperage, and when it
drops below a certain point, it alerts the driver, and the relay isn't pulling
enough amperage to satisfy this requirement.

If I'm wrong here, please enlighten me (no pun intended). If I'm correct, I
imagine others have run into this very same problem. How did you solve it?

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:15:22 -0500
From: "Rob Levinson - UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] digest sponsorship question

Technically the UUC Digest has no sponsors, no business puts any money* or
effort into it.

Companies that I list at the bottom of the UUC Digest are there because I
think they are good companies that I would recommend (but are not the only
companies, just a partial listing).

And FWIW, the folks at Dinan are very helpful and have given me good, free
advice on several occassions... and there are many items I would recommend
getting from them.

(* there was the incredibly generous sticker fundraising that Mssr. Collie
put together last year.)

- - Rob Levinson
UUC Digest ListOwner

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Don Eilenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Steve isn't near as rich as Mr. Dinan, and he doesn't spend
> a lotta $$$ on fancy ads or a fancy shop. He also is a sponsor
> of this digest, which I don't seem to remember Mr. Dinan being.
> Steve doesn't have Stage I and Stage II and Stage whatever.. he
> just has the parts. You gotta pay for all that staging stuff.
>
> That enough guidance? Oh - Steve's also a nice guy. Never heard
> Mr. Dinan called that, but mebbe I wasn't listening..
>
> Don Eilenberger, Spring Lk Hts, NJ JMP#1  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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