[uucdigest]          Saturday, April 1 2000          Volume 03 : Number 553



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In this BMW UUC Digest:

       Re: [uuc] <E39> Electronic Woes
       Re: [uuc] 850CSi - 4 wheel steering?!
       RE:[uuc] 850CSi - 4 wheel steering?!
       [uuc] RE: whadja find in dere (i inherited the spelling)
       Re: [uuc] 850CSi - 4 wheel steering?!
       [uuc] <misc> Whadja find in dere?
       [uuc] RE:850CSi 4 wheel steering
       Re: [uuc] 850CSi - 4 wheel steering?!
       [uucdigest] re:[uuc] E28 vs. E34
       Re: [uuc] 850CSi - 4 wheel steering?!
       [uuc] Whadja find in dere?
       [uuc] Re: 850CSi - 4 wheel steering?!
       [uuc] Re: Whadja find in dere?
       [uuc] Re: Looking for specific E30 wheels
       [uuc] Re: 4-wheel steering
       Re: [uuc] speaking of dangerous autocrosses.....
       [uuc] painting 318ti
       [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] found in seats
       [uuc] Autocross Safety

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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 09:04:43 -0500 (EST)
From: John Firestone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] <E39> Electronic Woes

On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Purchased, brand new 10/99 and have just under 5000 miles, a 528iT, with
> automatic. This is a great car, but mine seems to have a deficiency in the
> DME or perhaps some Microsoft operating system....

While it may be comforting sometimes to lump "industrial strength"
software with the firmware in your BMW, they are not the same.
The quality of Microsoft's products is well know in Germany. For
example, and I am not making this up, Windows 98 failed an
inspection by the TU"V.

- -John
'96 318is

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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 00:10:14 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [uuc] 850CSi - 4 wheel steering?!

Rob replied: "With that lovely 272hp V12, you could have throttle-induced
oversteer."

My all-too-briefly-owned 850CSi (wife threatened my life for spending so
much on a "five year old car") did not have four wheel steering.  Like all
of these "M8"s, it had 372hp, not 272.  I know Rob knew that, now you all
do.

Richard
'00 M5 (faster than '94 "M8," thank you)
'93 525i turbo (not as fast as the M8, but handles better)

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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 01:35:30 -0800 
From: Dragos Avadanei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE:[uuc] 850CSi - 4 wheel steering?!

Steven asks: 


Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 23:07:53 EST
From: "Steven Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject:        

I came upon a messageboard post that mentioned the 850CSi having 
4-wheel-steering.  This sounds like a wive's tale to me...can someone who 
truly knows set the record straight?

Steve
'87 325iS
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and my $0.02 are :

yes, the 8 series had that rear wheels steering feature. it consisted  in
steering counter- front wheels steering by as much as 1.5 degrees.

meaning if the front wheels were steered 30 deg the rear wheels steered the
opposite way by 4.5 deg. 

dragos
freude am fahren

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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 01:44:55 -0800 
From: Dragos Avadanei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] RE: whadja find in dere (i inherited the spelling)

>From: Scott Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>What's the best thing YOU'VE ever found inside a used car?  Besides, of
>course, cargo netting in rental cars.  We've already ridden that thread
>like a two dollar...horse. ;-)

How about that : in my 535i glove compartmend, i found a reference to a
local BMW inspection shop : they (the shop) specialize in performing
pre-buying inspections but they do all kind of sorts..

so i'm going to them, asking about a check on my car and at some point i'm
expressing my feeling that the car was there before.

guess what - they were so nice as to check that and i got (sort of) a free
report about my 535. it was like 4 months old so i guess that holds for a
lot.

the inspection is about $150 so i think i found something useful in my car..

dragos
freude am fahren

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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 00:23:19 -1000
From: Jay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] 850CSi - 4 wheel steering?!

i also believe that the mitsubishi 3000gt VR4 also had 4WS...i'm glad the BMWs
dont have it <OBMWC>...more weight, cost, maintenance, and more headache for
when it breaks...

>  As far as I know, the only cars with
> actual 4WS systems were the Honda Prelude and Mazda 626, both late '80s
> options that were expensive and flaky.  Other cars have had passive systems
> where the rear axle would flex in odd ways to help steering response
> (Nissan's HICAS, Mazda's 2nd-gen RX-7, and Audi's Weissach axle in the 5000S
> and 100/200).
>
> - Rob

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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 06:52:36 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [uuc] <misc> Whadja find in dere?

My Dad found a brown paper bag full of chicken bones in the cargo well of his 
brand new Crown Vic wagon in 1986, while picking it up at the dealer.  
Evidently a factory worker decided it made a good trash can....and was a 
NASCAR fan ;-) .  The salesman was embarrased, we all got a good laugh out of 
it.

A BMW Club racing pal sells ex highway patrol cars as tow vehicles for race 
cars and horse tralers.  They've got the big motors, all the coolers, etc.  
He found the magnetic blue light in the trunk of one.  He used to turn it on 
and would "slap in on the roof" during track touring laps and autocrosses.

He would also put his hand on the top of my head every time I stepped into 
the back seat.....

Carter Hunt
325E weekend street/L Stock Club racer

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Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 06:58:37 -0500
From: smcastle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] RE:850CSi 4 wheel steering

Rob writes:

 >>With that lovely 272hp V12 [oops, you mean 372HP (before Extrude Honed 
intakes and Jim C. tuning - hee, hee, can you say north of 400HP?)], you 
could have throttle-induced oversteer. I
don't think that's what they had in mind and it's hard to explain on a tech
sheet.  No 4-wheel steering on the 850CSi.<<

Oops, again ;-)  Actually, those lucky SOB's in Europe got their 850CSi's 
with AHK, or "Active Rear Axle Kinematics".  This system, as described in 
the ECE owner's manual, "at 25mph is activated with every movement of the 
steering wheel; it modifies rear wheel lock angle and repositions the rear 
wheels ideally to suit the driving situation.  The optimum rear-wheel angle 
is calculated from the steering wheel's momentary lock angle and the 
vehicle's road speed; the wheel angles are then adjusted by the 
electro-hydraulic control circuit."

This actually is rear wheel steering.  The bad news is that BMWNA, in their 
infinite wisdom, determined the US spec 850CSi's shouldn' t come with this 
feature.  But Rob's right, swtich off the ASC+T, swtich on the Sport EML 
mode, and throttle-induced oversteer isn't a problem ;-)

Steve Castle

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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 08:00:29 -0500
From: "Rob Levinson - UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] 850CSi - 4 wheel steering?!

DOH!!! 1am typo... they put that damn "2" key so close to the "3" key, what
were they thinking?

- - Rob

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Rob replied: "With that lovely 272hp V12, you could have throttle-induced
> oversteer."
>
> My all-too-briefly-owned 850CSi (wife threatened my life for spending so
> much on a "five year old car") did not have four wheel steering.  Like all
> of these "M8"s, it had 372hp, not 272.  I know Rob knew that, now you all
> do.
> Richard

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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 08:04:59 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [uucdigest] re:[uuc] E28 vs. E34

If you buy it, do you want to sell the "little" 15' Harts?

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Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 08:22:08 -0500
From: Jacob Steijn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] 850CSi - 4 wheel steering?!

Yeah, well if you were up at 1 AM what are you doing posting again at 8 AM?
;-)

At 08:00 AM 4/1/2000 , you wrote:
>DOH!!! 1am typo... they put that damn "2" key so close to the "3" key, what
>were they thinking?

It's a beautiful day, let's play two!  
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Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 08:33:35 -0500
From: "Steve D'Gerolamo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Whadja find in dere?

I found a battery under the rear seat in an 89 535i <g>.   Also, a bunch of
old french fries from the previous owners kids.  SD
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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 08:44:01 -0500
From: "Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Re: 850CSi - 4 wheel steering?!

> From: "Rob Levinson - UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [uuc] 850CSi - 4 wheel steering?!
>
> No 4-wheel steering on the 850CSi.  As far as I know, the only cars with
> actual 4WS systems were the Honda Prelude and Mazda 626, both late '80s
> options that were expensive and flaky.  Other cars have had passive
systems
> where the rear axle would flex in odd ways to help steering response
> (Nissan's HICAS, Mazda's 2nd-gen RX-7, and Audi's Weissach axle in the
5000S
> and 100/200).


And most BMW's.........

One could suggest the 8 series has 4 wheel steer, as the rear end is
designed, as Rob suggests for other cars, to twist during cornering.

The deflection is minute, less than a degree, but it's there, on most BMW's.

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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 08:56:37 -0500
From: "Karl Zemlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Re: Whadja find in dere?

I was pulling trim off of my first car - a '63 Chevy Biscayne - getting
ready for a paint job.  I needed to go out and buy a 1/4" drive socket set
to get at some of the nuts in the fender wells.  The first time I reached
into the fender with my new 1/4" craftsman ratchet I felt something - an old
1/4" craftsman ratchet.

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Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 06:16:38 -0800
From: Randy Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Re: Looking for specific E30 wheels

Jeffery wrote:
>>     Try  www.giovannawheels.com
>>Diko, the owner, originally brought the Maranello to his line in 4 lug for my
>>car =)
>>I'm  runnin Euro Silver Giovanna Maranello's in 17" with Dunlop W10's
>>wrapping them.  215/40/17. Jeffery Patch 86 325es many mods


John Metzger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Those wheels are pretty close to the throwing star I'm looking for. I'd 
>love to see what they look like on your car, If you could email me a pic 
>that would be great....
>John

 Well if you're also considering wheels that look like the Throwing Star,
i saw a kinda similar looking wheel on the Discount Tire Direct website
but they don't show any information on what cars it fits (they have
no fitment guides at all so i guess you *have* to call them for info).

 http://www.discounttire.com/discount.splash.html

 Click on Wheels then click on Wheels by Brand,  then click on Replica Alloys
and you'll see what they call the "Twist Style" in the lower right hand corner.
Like i said they don't list any fitments,  just that it's a 16x6.5 which is about
a half-inch too narrow for my tastes.  But it does look like the Alpha M5s
that you're looking for.   If it comes in a 4-lug VW fitment then it would
probably fit an E30 with the right spacers.  But you have to call them and
see what it fits.   

 You also might want to check into the MAS Shadow wheel, it has a 
similar M5 look as well but still no fitment info.  Man that's frustrating.

 Another surprise was they also show a "Motorsport Style" which looks like
an E36 M3 wheel, but again no info on if it's available in 4-lug or what kind
of cars they fit.  I've written Direct about their lack of fitment info and how
they should add the E30 to their Shockwave demonstration thingy and to 
add a fitment chart (like the TSW site has) and i actually got a reply the
next day telling me they're adding the E30 to their database and will
also consider adding a fitment chart :-)   I guess i should suggest they
give me free wheels and see what kind of reply i get to that :-) 

 Didja ever call the National Wheel Connection and ask about the M5s ?

 Randy
 89 325is

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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 07:11:23 -0800
From: "Joe H. Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Re: 4-wheel steering

>Other cars have had passive systems where the rear axle would flex in odd
ways
 to help steering response (Nissan's HICAS, Mazda's 2nd-gen RX-7, and Audi's
Weissach axle in the 5000S and 100/200).
- - - Rob

You can add the 2000 Toyota Celica and Echo to the list of cars with passive
rear steering (read toe-in).
And GM is now starting to offer 4-wheel steering on some of their
bohweemuths.  Actually makes sense in a large SUV or truck application when
you consider the usual turning diameter.

The mags tested 4WS a few years back and said the only significant benefit
they could find was greater stability in high-speed emergency lane changes.

OBC: I have 4WS in my M coupe.  I control the front wheel steering with the
steering wheel and the rear wheel steering w/ the gas pedal (or I try to).
After several 90's, 180's, and 270's, I found the rear has a much tighter
steering ratio than the front!

Sorry I can't attend UUC Fest.  Too far away!
Joe
GGC Chapter
00 M coupe

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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 07:24:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] speaking of dangerous autocrosses.....

Neil H wrote:
>My bud, Pete (Champaign, IL SCCA autocross coordinator-type-guy) told 
>me that he heard that someone rolled a M3 LTW in Ohio (Columbus?) at
an
>SCCA event last weekend (no injuries). Apparently, it went sideways 
>into a grassy knoll, dug in, and flipped. Anyone know about this?
>Details?

No details but this one seems to match your description.

http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Peaks/4527/bmw.htm

Carlos
91 M3
PS  Worst I've seen in 2 years, 1) a scarily fast 70's Vette that spun
in its own oil, hit the concrete base of a light pole, front end was a
mess. 2) a Datsun Z car with a broken wheel, wheel broke at the spokes,
no other damage.






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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 11:25:30 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [uuc] painting 318ti

i have a black 95 318ti....i would like to have it painted artic silver....how much 
should a quality paint job cost?   anyone know a good place in eastern pennsylvania?
thanks,
ed

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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 11:54:03 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] found in seats

In a message dated 3/31/00 8:05:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Subject: [uuc] <misc> Whadja find in dere?
>  
back in 1986, i bought a used 84 corvette.  it was previously owned by an 
attorney.  some time later, i was taking the seats out to do a detailed 
cleaning and there was 
marijuana under the seat.  hmmmm,  maybe that's why those guys charge so much 
for their legal assistance.????     
tommy
95 AA turbo m3-   high on life, Jesus and Boost from turbo, not marijuana

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Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 08:43:06 -0800
From: "Kevin Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Autocross Safety

Scott Miller wrote:

>As an autocross organizer of dubious qualification,
>I can tell you that: Safety comes first.  Yes, they make
>you wear a helmet.  That is more to satisfy insurance
>requirements than to do anything for your head.
>Although there have been a very few freak roll-overs
>at autocrosses, 99.9999% of the cars keep the shiny
>side up.

After driving out to watch a couple GGC autocrosses in my
2002 at the Pleasanton Fairgrounds in the mid 80's I decided
to actually sign up for one in my new (to me) '78 320iS
after I moved to San Diego in 1986.  With a new set of 13"
wheels from a '83 320iS complete with  Michelin MXLs, and a
rear sway bar from a '77 320iS.  I was ready to sign up for
my first BMW CCA Autocross.  I called the club number and
somehow got in touch with Dan Tackett who told me about a
BGR Autocross School that was a weekend before the next GGC
event.  I signed up, learned a lot and since I was a first
timer I ended up working a corner for the first actual run
group.  One of the first cars out was a lowered Datsun 510
with sticky bias ply autocross tires.  The guy had 40psi all
around when he went through tech, but they estimated he had
under 20 psi in his front tire as he rounded a corner and
lost the bead.  The rim bit in to the soft asphalt and the
car flipped right in front of me.  I have not seen a car
flip since then, but the moral of the story is to keep an
eye on tire pressure at an autocross.

Kevin Kelly

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