[uucdigest]           Sunday, April 16 2000           Volume 03 : Number 605



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In this BMW UUC Digest:

       Re: [uuc] Bentley Roundel on CD
       re: [uuc] Schroth Harnessbelts
       [uuc] Good ending to the Water Pump story
       Re: [uuc] Good ending to the Water Pump story
       Re: [uuc] Good ending to the Water Pump story
       Re: [uuc] Schroth Harnessbelts
       [uuc] <FS>1994 E34 525i 
       [uuc] What as the name of the former list server we were on?
       Re: [uuc] What as the name of the former list server we were on?
       [uuc] 1983 e21 (320IS) sunroof

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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 14:09:32 -0700
From: Aleksandr Milewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] Bentley Roundel on CD

At 11:41 -0400 on 000415, you commanded the electrons to create a 
missive titled "[uuc] Bentley Roundel on CD":
|OK-
|The product- Complete Roundel on Bentley CD
|
|Sales pitch- see p 82 of April 2000 Roundel
|
|List price $144.95 Bentley Special CCA member price $129.95
|
|YOUR PRICE from CTC $100 with postage. This is a one shot deal. No credit
|cards, check with order.  I want to pre sell the initial order and this offer
|is good till I sell them. This is for CCA members only. Others, $135 and I'll
|throw in a CCA membership too.
|
|Michel

Michel,

        Maybe I missed the details earlier, but where do I send my check?

        -Zandr Milewski
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Aleksandr Milewski                                     BMWCCA #166568
SysAdmin, 530i.org                                      '95 540i/6spd
[EMAIL PROTECTED]                                     '00 740i Sport
Ben Lomond, CA                                            '00 M Coupe

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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 17:25:34 -0400
From: Ron Katona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: re: [uuc] Schroth Harnessbelts

Sorry for quoting Joel's post in its entirety, but I think it's
important for everyone to know the whole background.

First, I'll admit I heard the following information second hand. The
driver of the car involved related the story to the owner of OG Racing
in Manassas, VA., a race equipment specialty shop, who related it to me
in person. Now I'm relating it to you third hand. Take that for what
it's worth, but seriously consider this if you're looking at the Schroth
4-points. I'm simply passing along this information, not advocating any
brand or distributor. If anything, Schroth, not any of their
distributors, needs to be contacted and provide direct guidance.

The incident in question is a wreck at a CCA drivers' school at Watkins
Glen last year involving an E36. The car had Schroth 4-points installed
with the rollover protection gizmo that basically allows one (towards
the center of the car) shoulder belt to stretch a certain amount more
than the normal give in the webbing in order to allow the driver to be
pushed down and to the side to avoid being crushed by a collapsing roof
in a rollover. The point is to provide for the use of harnesses in a
street car sans roll bar.

The problem in this particular incident was that there were multiple
impacts. The first stretched the belt as advertised. The second caused
the driver's head to ***impact the windshield*** since he was no longer
held securely by both shoulder straps!

Of course, he had a helmet on and there was no serious injury even
though the impact shattered the windshield. Good thing it was a full
face helmet. Realize that a stock belt system runs diagonally across the
torso thus limiting this type of movement. A four point's shoulder
harnesses each run down one side of the torso and apparently can't
prevent this type of movement if one shoulder belt is loosened
significantly by an initial impact. I think this is fairly easy to
visualize.

So, where did the rumor to wear the stock belt with this system come
from? The driver of the wrecked car claims it comes from SCHROTH!

The owner of the E36 wrote Schroth and asked why the belts performed in
this manner during his crash. He said Schroth wrote back and said to
wear the stock 3-points with the 4-points. Apparently, the Schroth
4-points are meant to hold you in the seat nicely for track work, but
are not meant as a true safety system for tracked cars. He related this
story to OG Racing when he came in to have his helmet sent in for
examination after the incident. He had originally purchased the helmet
from OG. He also said that the instructor in this case had Schroth
4-points in his car and reportedly removed them after this incident.

Joel, you said you contacted Schroth via their web site and that Joe
Marko answered. Joe, of course, is well known in BMW CCA circles, but he
doesn't work for Schroth. Joe runs HMS Motorsports. I've been there and
met Joe (very briefly, he probably doesn't remember) and he's a nice
guy. I've never heard a bad thing about him or his business. But I
wonder if he's aware of this incident or this claimed advice from
Schroth? From the sound of it, I'd say not. Schroth's web site is
<http://www.schroth.com/>. Schroth is a German firm - did you or Joe
actually hear from them?

Bottom line: there is a controversy over the safety of Schroth 4-points
at the track. Use at your own risk, but be informed.
- --
Ron Katona

Joel Gallun wrote:
> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:27:53 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Joel Gallun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [uuc] Schroth Harnessbelts
> 
> Last Friday at the Summit Point Friday At The Track I used my Schroth
> Harnessbelts for the first time. My instructor said that he'd heard that
> the Schroth belts stretch too much and that the manufacturer recommended
> that you use the OE 3 point belt in addition to the Schroth belt. So we
> did that. At lunch I ate with some of the guys up for the NCC instructor
> day over at the Jefferson circuit and they said they'd heard the same
> thing.
> 
> So... yesterday I contacted Schroth via their web site and asked them if
> their belts should be used with the OE 3 point belt and this is the
> response I received (used with permission):
> 
> - ------------------------ Forwarded Message ------------------------
> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 07:46:01 -0400
> From: Joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Belts
> 
> Joel,
> 
> The exact opposite is true. NEVER wear two different harness systems at
> the same time! Each system is designed to work in its own way. Each has
> different elongation factors for the webbing and different ways to keep
> you positioned in the seat.
> 
> By combining two different systems, the results in an incident are totally
> unpredictable and could result in an even greater injury. I would be
> pleased to speak with the person who told you this so that we can stop
> such unsafe information from spreading.
> 
> If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Joe Marko
> HMS motorsport
> 3 First Ave - Peabody, MA  01960
> Phone:  978-532-1170 / FAX:     978-532-2016
> http://www.hmsmotorsport.com
> 
> - -------------------- End of Forwarded Message --------------------
> 
> - --
> Joel Gallun
> '93 525iT
> '87 325iS
> CCA National Capital Chapter
> SCCA WDC

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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:16:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Good ending to the Water Pump story

For those that were concerned  ;)  

to recap: in the process of replacing the
waterpump, fan clutch, and radiator, I broke a
waterpump stud.  This BUMMED me out.  I sent a
note to the digest asking about the possible
exposure and if anyone had any suggestions.  I
got a few "I've had that happen, I just live with
it"...and a few "Don't drive it...fix it".

Well, I drove it for a few days wth the broken
stud after ordering 4 new studs at the stealer. 
Took it all apart this morning and found about a
half inch remaining sticking out of the block.  A
good set of visegrips took it and the other three
out!  Here's a question..  how was I supposed to
properly get the new studs in?  I wrapped a cloth
around each and turned them in. Is there a
special technique to install these?

The re-install of everything went uneventful. 
Now I'm driving around with assurance that that
puppy isn't coming out!  

Thanks for all the private replies!

Cheers,
David Moore
1991 525i 

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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:27:40 -0700
From: Jim Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] Good ending to the Water Pump story

One of the usual ways is to double nut them so that one nut locks the
other and put them in with a socket and torque wrench to about 5-10
lb.ft.  I would go with the rating for tightening the nuts.

Then hold the inner nut with an open end and back the secondary nut off
and finally remove the inner nut which should now be loose.

As a nearly unrelated thread, I suppose you saw the two threaded holes
on opposite sides of your old water pump?

Those are used to run threaded bolts into a work side to side to push
the old water pump off.  They are usually stuck in pretty good and
anything you do to pry it off is likely to slip and poke a hole in the
radiator.  Just a note for those that will be attacking their water
pumps in the coming summer.  Finally did you bleed the air out of the
radiator at that little black plastic screw on top?  Its a good idea to
check levels in a week or so after replacing the cooling system.  Check
the level with the car flat and the motor cold.

Hasta!

Jim

David Moore wrote:
> 
> For those that were concerned  ;)
> 
> to recap: in the process of replacing the
> waterpump, fan clutch, and radiator, I broke a
> waterpump stud.  This BUMMED me out.  I sent a
> note to the digest asking about the possible
> exposure and if anyone had any suggestions.  I
> got a few "I've had that happen, I just live with
> it"...and a few "Don't drive it...fix it".
> 
> Well, I drove it for a few days wth the broken
> stud after ordering 4 new studs at the stealer.
> Took it all apart this morning and found about a
> half inch remaining sticking out of the block.  A
> good set of visegrips took it and the other three
> out!  Here's a question..  how was I supposed to
> properly get the new studs in?  I wrapped a cloth
> around each and turned them in. Is there a
> special technique to install these?
> 
> The re-install of everything went uneventful.
> Now I'm driving around with assurance that that
> puppy isn't coming out!
> 
> Thanks for all the private replies!
> 
> Cheers,
> David Moore
> 1991 525i
> 
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites.
> http://invites.yahoo.com

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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 19:35:14 -0400
From: "Pat Donahue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] Good ending to the Water Pump story

My favorite way to get new studs in is to slide an acorn nut on the top with
some anti-seize and run 'em in.

Geeeze
http://patdonahue.com/forsale


From: "David Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> out!  Here's a question..  how was I supposed to
> properly get the new studs in?  I wrapped a cloth
> around each and turned them in. Is there a
> special technique to install these?

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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 19:17:22 -0700
From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] Schroth Harnessbelts

Ron Katona wrote:
> The incident in question is a wreck at a CCA drivers' school at Watkins
> Glen last year involving an E36. The car had Schroth 4-points installed
> with the rollover protection gizmo that basically allows one (towards
> the center of the car) shoulder belt to stretch a certain amount more
> than the normal give in the webbing in order to allow the driver to be
> pushed down and to the side to avoid being crushed by a collapsing roof
> in a rollover. The point is to provide for the use of harnesses in a
> street car sans roll bar.
> 

This is NOT what the ASM flap on the Schroth belts is for.  ASM is to
allow you to bend at the waist.  This prevents you from submarining
under the belts and doing serious internal organ damage.

The reason that there is only one ASM flap (on the inside) is so that
you'll bend AWAY from the centerline of the car.  This prevents you and
the passenger from banging helmets together.

Note that neither of these purposes helps you materially if the car
rolls and the roof comes down.

- - Mark, Schroth 4-pts and no roll bar, dedicated track car search in
progress  (track car will have a TC Kline bar and real belts)
- -- 
Mark Dadgar
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 21:19:30 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jefrem Iwaniw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] <FS>1994 E34 525i 

Asking $19,500
Located in Keller, TX (DFW Suburb)

5-speed manual transmission, 84,000 miles, build date 11/93, VIN:
WBAHD5329RGB36309, Cosmos black exterior, light grey leather interior.
Premium package. See <http://www.iigo.com/vroom/BMW525i.htm> for more
details. Thank you.

- -Jefrem Iwaniw

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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 23:02:58 -0400
From: "ianreiddc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] What as the name of the former list server we were on?

Not the original one, but the one before this one. It had this great list of
all the car clubs. I am looking for the Honda club. I'm keeping my bimmer
and xxxx the Honda.
If you remember the list servers address please send it to me. Thanks
Ian

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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 23:19:29 -0400
From: "Rob Levinson - UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] What as the name of the former list server we were on?

It was Topica, www.topica.com.  Horrible service.

- - Rob

- ----- Original Message -----
From: ianreiddc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 11:02 PM
Subject: [uuc] What as the name of the former list server we were on?


> Not the original one, but the one before this one. It had this great
list of
> all the car clubs. I am looking for the Honda club. I'm keeping my
bimmer
> and xxxx the Honda.
> If you remember the list servers address please send it to me.
Thanks
> Ian
>
>

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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 23:41:41 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [uuc] 1983 e21 (320IS) sunroof

Help!

Used to working on my O2's. Now I have a 320IS with sunroof. The sunroof will 
kind of tilt open but will not retract. I get a click click click sound when 
I try to work the mechanical lever. I have to semi force by hand and rotate 
the lever to get it to go back to being closed/

Any tips, tricks, or miracles would help me get this thing to work, I would 
greatly appreciate.

Peter Dorn
83 320IS
75 O2
73 O2TII

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