[uucdigest] Tuesday, April 18 2000 Volume 03 : Number 617 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Visit http://www.bubbaclub.com | www.bimmers.com - "serving enthusiasts on the 'net" | Visit http://www.bimmer.org - ultimate BMW bulletin boards! | Subscribe to the Zionsville Autosport Parts Digest: | http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/majordomo.htm ����������������������������������������� In this BMW UUC Digest: Re: [uuc] Nail in tire Re: [uuc] Wax [uuc] E34 door creaks [uuc] M10 rod bolts [uuc] <E36> spring rates [uuc] Re: Discount Tire (counterpoint) re: [uuc] negative camber woes, Kumho's rubbing struts Re: Fw: [uuc] Garage Floor Paint Re: [uuc] Zymol Wax RE: [uuc] A & P thread [uuc] E30 325i Wheels [uuc] re: tires Re: [uuc] re: tires [uuc] 1988 735i radio replacement/upgrade Re: [uuc] negative camber woes, Kumho's rubbing struts Re: Re: [uuc] CR Wax [uuc] Zymol ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 15:49:19 -0500 From: "Daniels, Jason S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Nail in tire If we are on the who to recommend list of places. If you are in the northern suburbs of Chicago, Go to the Firestone in Libertyville. Yeah, I know what you are all thinking... FIRESTONE!!!??? Yeah that's what I said. See Mike Foster, the service manager. The best service I have found and he's CHEAP. and has competent staff, and doesn't mind if you bring in your own discounted rubber. ALL of the auto dealers around use him for their custom stuff. I travel 50 miles to use him because it's done right. And if there is a problem he fixes it with no Q's asked. jason Daniels (yeah I said FIRESTONE!) Duxler firestone on Milwaukee Ave. - ---------- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: BMW UUC Digest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [uuc] Nail in tire > Date: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 3:14 PM > > Discount Tire does the work for free because they need the practice on > BMW tire changes : ). They tried to remove the tire off of a rear wheel > on my '98 M3 and couldn't. It was pathetic to watch them try to remove > the tire. They had up to three people working on it and tried using > many valve stems between the tire bead and wheel to keep the bead > separated from the wheel. After about an hour, I made them stop trying > and took the wheel to a different shop which had experience (and no > problem) removing the tire. They had one valve stem fall into the tire > during the fiasco and of course couldn't get it out. You should have > seen the expression on the tire changer's face when he found a valve > stem inside the tire : ). > > BTW, my dealership recommended Discount Tire to me. For other tire > needs, Discount has given me good service and competative prices. I am > not complaining about Discount, just noting that BMW (maybe just M3) > wheels are different and require greater knowledge and experience from > the tire changer. YMMV. snip ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 15:53:38 -0500 From: "Celisa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Wax Leslie, As a part from the Wax ordeal, tell me this, its way off topic, but I'm from Virginia, and I was thinking of this bank, but they have this evergreen fund, also, my accountant suggested I purchase it, but I didn't for I'm in Texas now, and they don't have it. Is it actually doing as good as it once did? Also, without having to purchase this book, or going to the local library, which I didn't have time for. What wax did CR say as far as preventing swirls. I would think if you didn't go in circles, all wax would work after reading some of the post. Celisa 99 328is From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:07:55 -0400 From: Kurt Gibble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] E34 door creaks A common E34 problem is stiff door stops that fatigue the door or the stops. Eventually this leads to a door stop punching through and ripping the door. If you hear a subtle creak, check it now. Loose bolts can also cause the problem. Pat D., Don E., and Brett A. fed me their info on the subject which I collected at http://pantheon.yale.edu/~kgibble/bmw/E34_creaky_door.html. The stop may need to be replaced and most likely needs to be lubricated. The door sheet metal is the big concern. You can weld it or reinforce it with a plate. For my case, a plate seemed sufficient and I scanned it (http://pantheon.yale.edu/~kgibble/bmw/E34_door_stop_plate3.jpg) so that it can serve as a drawing for others. I'd recommend installing something like these before you hear bad things and don't forget to lube the door stops at Inspection II's. Best, Kurt '92 E34 M50 5sp 96k ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:03:37 -0400 From: "Phemister, George" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] M10 rod bolts Any thoughts on how many times one can recycle rod bolts and nuts on an M10 engine? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:06:31 -0400 From: Felix Vicente <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <E36> spring rates All, I've been hunting around on the various FAQs, web sites, and the like and I haven't been able to find the answer to a simple question: What are the spring rates for the following: base 325 sport pkg 325 that rare '94 m-technic 325 (I don't think I spelled that right, but you get the idea.) m3 another thing: what's the difference between a working rate and a spring only rate? If they're what I think they are (working includes the shocks?) then I would prefer the spring only rate. Thanks...I'm looking to soften up my daily driver a bit without giving up too much of my H&R Street Sport/Koni Shock cornering bliss. - -Felix Vicente Everglades Chapter Miami, FL (occasionally) '95 325i blk/blk, many mods, next week turns into a 332i - mine '95 525iA, calypso/beige, just a chip - sister's '98 740iL, white/beige, stock - mother's ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:17:11 -0500 From: Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Discount Tire (counterpoint) The Discount Tire I've been using (in Plano, Tx) is the ONLY shop in the area I will let touch my M3 (after a few tries at other local shops). They have the proper equipment (Hunter TC350) and the training to use the equipment. They are also BMWCCA friendly. It's not unusual to see numerous cars at this shop with 17"+ sized rims. Last time I was in for a tire repair on my truck they had a Ferrari 456 and a '97 911 Turbo in the bays. I actually found them because I was having a problem with other shops inability to balance the tires on the M3...of course, they got it right and I've since purchased 3 sets of tires from them (no damage to car or rims on any visit). The moral of the story is that ALL Discount Tire locations are NOT created equally!!! Dean Schreier Dallas, Tx '96 M3 (http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/4793/) '99 Chevy Silverado LT Ext-cab Z71 '01 M3 (#2) '01/02?? CLK55 (#7) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:24:08 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: re: [uuc] negative camber woes, Kumho's rubbing struts Using shims at the bottom strut causes the top of the tire to lean closer to the strut and can cause interference in some situations. However, as long as you have static tire/strut clearance you needn't worry. During hard cornering the tire sidewall will flex in enough to cause rubbing (dynamic interference) when the tire is close to the strut, but it will not be enough to make trouble for you or your tires. It will typically just polish the paint from the strut, nothing more, and is actually common. On the otherhand, if there is static interference you either need to reduce the shim thickness or switch to camber plates. Mark Sipe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:48:58 -0400 From: Andrew Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Fw: [uuc] Garage Floor Paint Sherwin Williams Industrial two part epoxy floor paint. Two part epoxy is the only way to paint a garage floor. Pretty expensive for paint ($45/gal), but it's virtually indestructable. Don't mess with latex for a flor, cause that's what you'll get. Andrew eichstad wrote: > > Subject: [uuc] Garage Floor Paint > > > Here is some information on a latex floor paint for garages for > > those who are interested. It is Insl-x Hot Trax Satin Concrete and > > Garage floor paint. Its main benefit, as the name implies, is to > resist > > hot tire pickup. Available in different colors and white tintable. > > You can contact them at (800) 225-5554. > > I plan to use it when we move into our next house. Other than > that > > usual disclaimers apply. > > > > Dennis Eichstaedt > > Canton, Michigan (For the next month) > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:45:01 EDT From: "Steven Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Zymol Wax I said I like it, I didn't say I'm a lunatic. Bring the Miata over here.... lose any ideas of me waxing a wagon. ;-) Steve >From: "Peter Sterne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [uuc] Zymol Wax >Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 08:42:36 -0400 > >Hey Steve, where do you live? I have three cars, you can come over and >detail >them anytime 8^) > >Regards, >Peter Sterne >'93 325is >'91 Miata SE >'96 Volvo 850 Wagon > >Steven Reed wrote: > > > It's an interesting read but I think too much emphasis was put on the >"ease > > of use" category. Maybe it's just me, but I _like_ detailing a car... > > > > Steve > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:47:26 PDT From: "William States" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] A & P thread Last weekend I was driving my M3 (OBMWC) through Bentonville Arkansas, home of Wal-Mart, and found the intersection of 'Crouch & P' south of one of the large warehouses. It was sprinkling so I'll assume that it was rain in the gutters ;-) William >From: Don Cicchetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [uuc] A & P thread >Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:25:32 -0800 > >Speaking of p threads.... > >Didja hear that A&P was merging with Stop & Shop? > >Yeah, it's gonna be called Stop & P.... > > >sorry > >DC >-- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:56:37 -0400 From: "Bill Noren (new)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] E30 325i Wheels Hey folks, I am interested in upgrading the wheels on my '90 325i. I'm not sure if I should go to 15" or 16" but the hardest part is "where can I get them?" I haven't found too many distributers. One spot has a nice sale on 15" x 7" but should I consider 16"'s while I'm at it? Any suggestions are most appreciated, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill Noren BMWCCA #172083 E30 1990 325i Sharked -n- Shortshifted! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 18:37:12 -0400 From: darren Beilstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] re: tires Digest, I have been looking for new tires to put on my rims, sizes 205/50 R16 fronts, and 225/45 R16 rear. It comes down to a very limited number of tires available in this size range, with the Yoko A520's being the cheepest, and they are the tires I am currently using. Although they get very noisy after the first 5-10K, is their any reason to spend more on the Michelins or Pirellis?? Darren ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 15:44:15 -0700 From: Jim Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] re: tires There's a reason to spend more on Michelins. There's almost never a reason to even buy a Pirelli, much less spend more for it. You might as well put Dick Cepek Mud Hogs on it if you're going to buy Pirelli's. Jim <== Guess who thinks the P%&*#! 's on my 325i suck darren Beilstein wrote: > Digest, > > I have been looking for new tires to put on my rims, sizes 205/50 R16 > fronts, and 225/45 R16 rear. It comes down to a very limited number of > tires available in this size range, with the Yoko A520's being the > cheepest, and they are the tires I am currently using. Although they get > very noisy after the first 5-10K, is their any reason to spend more on > the Michelins or Pirellis?? > > Darren ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:41:41 -0700 From: Jonathan Tsao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] 1988 735i radio replacement/upgrade the wife has been getting after me to replace the stock radio in our 1988 735i (chipped and works once in a while), fix a blown rear speaker (barely rattles) and add a cd changer (there goes the trunk). my question(s): am I better off with oem or aftermarket equipment? does anyone have experience/recommendations with an aftermarket set up w/ cd changer for this model? what should I budget realistically for all this considering it's the daytime kid hauler? TIA for your collective wisdom.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 20:17:47 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] negative camber woes, Kumho's rubbing struts In a message dated 4/18/00 5:33:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Using shims at the bottom strut causes the top of the tire to lean closer to the strut and can cause interference in some situations. However, as long as you have static tire/strut clearance you needn't worry. During hard cornering the tire sidewall will flex in enough to cause rubbing (dynamic interference) when the tire is close to the strut, but it will not be enough to make trouble for you or your tires. It will typically just polish the paint from the strut, nothing more, and is actually common. On the otherhand, if there is static interference you either need to reduce the shim thickness or switch to camber plates. >> Hey Mark, I think I'm going to take the shims out and get some hats from a '96 or newer M3 and swap them out for my negative camber. If that doesn't do it...then I'll go with camber plates. I've avoided camber plates because I'm concerned about their street ability, does that make sense? I hear most high quality camber plates are not at all compliant. While I've got H&R race springs, they are still somewhat compliant. I want to maintain that. Do you have any suggestions for good camber plates that would still be ok for street use? Thanks again for your suggestions. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:53:34 -0700 From: Roger Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Re: [uuc] CR Wax That's funny, a couple of us here in the SF Bay Area did our own little test too. We found just the opposite of your results with Griot's wax in the looks department. We found it did a pretty good job of filling minor swirls left after polishing and shined nicely without hazing. Wasn't too difficult to use either. Durability was only around average though. Roger Baker - -- 1992 325 M-Technic, AA Stage 1+ Turbo Track Toy 2000 VW Jetta Commuter Car 1996 Kawasaki ZX-6R The FAST One "McEntee, Marc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > P.S. A couple of us did a little test of our own...Zaino's did well, but > wasn't going to last much longer than the other "long" lasting wax's. > > Griot's best of show did very poorly, in gloss and durability. > > Zymol original doesn't last, not good for a daily driver. > > --- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 19:59:21 -0500 From: Donn York <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Zymol I'll chime in since I've been mainly lurking recently. With a black car that's not a daily driver, I found Zymol Carbon to be very worthwhile. It may not last long, but then again I wasn't using the car every day. I used one 16 oz tub of the Zymol for 4 or 5 years, at least twice a year, and I didn't run out. It smells great (like coconut) and goes on easy and looks great. I thought it was well worth the $30 or $35 it costs. It pays to get the Zymol HD Cleanse to rub on before you wax it. It takes off the old wax and oxidized paint supposedly, and yes, the paint actually squeaks when you buff it off. The HD Cleanse costs about $15 -$20 as I recall. The finish, when you're done, is like glass (at least it was on my ten year old P-car). As another unsolicited testimonial for Zymol, I think their service is outstanding. I called up once because the car didn't have that deep, consistent look (something like that) and they figured out that the HD Cleanse was not fresh enough. They sent me a new bottle for free and enclosed a few extra applicators as well. They know their audience. For everyday drivers, I think One Grande Blitz wax is the way to go. It lasts long and looks excellent. BTW, I remember a day when mere mention of Zymol could get you thrown off the list and your BMW keys were taken away! What a country! Signing out, Donn P car-less Love that 328i tho ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #617 ************************** _________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Bonneville Motorwerks . http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com | Camptown Automotive - http://www.camptownauto.com | Circle Tire Co. 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