[uucdigest] Thursday, July 12 2001 Volume 03 : Number 4011 _________________________________________________________________ | | Search the ARCHIVES: | http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] | | Visit Richard Nott's Ultimate BMW Database: | http://www.gis.nsw.gov.au/staff/rnott/bmw/bmw.html | | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Technical Problems? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: Re: [uuc] Circular Forces. Was "Shifting while turning" ["Gary Derian" <] Re: [uuc] Re: <E30> tc-kline rollbar install ?'s ["Gary Derian" <gderian@] Re: [uuc] Shifting while turning ["Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: [uuc] Shifting while turning ["Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: [uuc] <E28>hardwiring V1 ["Dan Hermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: [uuc] <E28>hardwiring V1 [Brad Couvillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] E30 Cold Air Intake [Lawrence Cuatico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: [uuc] OT - Sylvania HID is here ["Evan Arnerich" <arnerichdsl@hotmail] [uuc] Re: McLaren F1 Powerplant ["Tammer Farid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] FS: 1990 535ia ["Hassan Hassan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: [uuc] Parting out E30 323i. Stock seats? [ben keyes <benkeyes@peoplep] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:14:33 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Circular Forces. Was "Shifting while turning" Sorry for mixing forces :-(. The way I know it, centrifugal force is outward and centripetal is inward. Both apply to stuff traveling in a circle. Any inward force, pavement to tires, seat to butt, skull to brain, it centripetal. Outward forces, tires to pavement, butt to seat, brain to skull is centrifugal. You always get one with the other. Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Gary: > > Since I'm always ready to be a pedant, but it isn't > like you to mix centrifugal and centripetal forces in > the same frame of reference. The former is a pseudo > force that exists only in rotational frames of > reference and the latter is a real force, for our > (thought to be actual) inertial frame of reference. > > If you rephrased, converting to the inertial frame, > you would say "The drivetrain attempts to move in a > straight line due to inertia (effectively at its > center of mass), but is constrained somewhat via the > centripetal force applied by the mounts, at the mount > locations." Same for the car and tires and driver and > seat. > > I rarely ever think in the rotational frame of > reference, but here is an attempt at conversion, "The > car against tires, driver against seat and drivetrain > against mounts all exert centrifugal force, which has > to be resisted by respective constraining elements." > "What is this resisting force called?" you ask. No > idea, but not centripetal! I'm not even sure you > think of inward forces in a rotational frame at all. > Just work with the outward ones to get the required > results. Someone closer to high-school physics can > probably tell us for sure. > > Obviously, I understood what you were trying to say, > but pedantry is not about clarity, is it? > > Neil Deshpande - realizing that I don't remember as > much of high school physics as I'd like to! > http://www.neilwerke.com > > *** > > "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > My turn to be pedantic. The tires provide the > centripetal force which is then distributed around the > car through its structure. The seat applies > centripetal force to your bottom. The drivetrain > moves via the centrifugal force applied through its > center of gravity and the centripetal force applied to > it through the mounts. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:05:53 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: <E30> tc-kline rollbar install ?'s Double nutting does no good. The second nut stretches the bolt and loosens the first nut. Use a self locking nut instead. Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > - use big, beefy, generous backup plates > - seal the seams of the backup plates under the car with body seam > sealer (from autoparts store in a caulk-type can). This prevents water > and debris from getting under there and causing corrosion. > - double-nut the bolts > Mike Whitney - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > No Gum Racing - http://pws.prserv.net/whitney/nogum.html > 97 Integra GS-R, 93 Miata LE, 89 BMW 325is ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:01:40 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Shifting while turning I agree, the shifter gate moves in space, but not relative to the detents. Driver school is not a race and a bit of time taken to shift is a good idea. Your technique is a good one. Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Okay, so I failed physics. :-) However, my point is with things being > moved all around including the driver making that _familiar_ reach into gear > may not get the right one. When you're trying hard to shift very fast you > won't be feeling for detents. In fact when I used to track the M5 the > gearing on it guaranteed I'd shift in turns 1-2 and 6-7 at Summit Point. I > always unwound the steering just a touch and shifted carefully there then > wound it back in. > > Geeeze ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:18:27 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Shifting while turning If the transmission moves around, and you put the shifter into the third gear spot, relative to the interior, you may place the transmission into 1st or 5th. If you follow the detents, they move with the trans and will lead you to the correct gear. Your right arm is also subject to cornering forces so it is easy to mis-select a gear. Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Can someone explain how you can select the right gear on the > selector and end up in the wrong gear on the transmission solely > because you're cornering? This makes no sense to me whatsoever. > > Are you guys referring to driver error in selecting the wrong > gear, or machine error in that the gates and gears are no longer > lined up? If the latter, how is this even possible? Is it > documented to happen? > > Thanks! > > > -matt > > On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 08:09:19AM -0400, Pat Donahue wrote: > > Okay, so I failed physics. :-) However, my point is with things being > > moved all around including the driver making that _familiar_ reach into gear > > may not get the right one. When you're trying hard to shift very fast you > > won't be feeling for detents. In fact when I used to track the M5 the > > gearing on it guaranteed I'd shift in turns 1-2 and 6-7 at Summit Point. I > > always unwound the steering just a touch and shifted carefully there then > > wound it back in. > > > > Geeeze > > > > From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > My turn to be pedantic. The tires provide the centripetal force which is > > > then distributed around the car through its structure. The seat applies > > > centripetal force to your bottom. The drivetrain moves via the > > centrifugal > > > force applied through its center of gravity and the centripetal force > > > applied to it through the mounts. > > > > > > Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > Something else to consider at that point is that centripital forces are > > > > moving the very heavy drivetrain around some on its rubber bushings. > > The > > > > shifter may not be where you think and if you shove it where you know it > > > > > > > > Geeeze > > > > > > -- > matthew c. mead > > mmead (at at at) goof (dot dot dot) com (you know what to do to email me) > http://www.goof.com/~mmead/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:22:49 -0500 From: "Dan Hermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <E28>hardwiring V1 >I'm nothing more than a hack. I WILL be taking the >time to come up with some way to mount the V1 about 3 >inches lower from the location I've got. If I can't >get that, I'm thinking I might velcro it to the top of >the passenger seat, right by the headrest. Or maybe did you consider the passenger-side sun visor? that's where i mounted mine in both my E30 and E36. not in the way of passengers, plenty of range, not noticeable from outside the car, etc. dan 88 325is (doesn't leave home w/o the V1) 96 M3 (this one neither) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:44:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Couvillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <E28>hardwiring V1 Dan writes: <<<<did you consider the passenger-side sun visor? that's where i mounted mine in both my E30 and E36. not in the way of passengers, plenty of range, not noticeable from outside the car, etc.>>>> Several people have suggested this option, and, yes I have considered it. Something about it, though, just doesn't appeal to me. I really don't know what it is. I might just try this option, sometime, just so my soul will be at ease, lol. I went out, this evening, and tried a different option. I raised the passenger's headrest, placed the V1 on the top of the seat, and lowered the headrest on top of it. Then, I fixed the seat so that the V1 was level. The only bit of wire that you can see is the bit coming from the dome light down to the headrest. Once it hits the headrest, the dark color of my interior blocks the black wire. I'm going to try this tomorrow and this weekend and see how I like it. I really doubt I'll like having to move the headrest and the seat every time someone wants to sit down. I'm thinking my velcro-to-the-top-of-the-seat-next-to-the-headrest idea is going to be my best bet. . . . . . unless the sunvisor option really IS good. :-) More on this later, Brad Couvillon '87 528e (can't make up its mind where it wants its V1!) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:51:49 -0700 From: Lawrence Cuatico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] E30 Cold Air Intake Gruppe Anybody have any info on a manufactured or home fabricated cold air intake box for a K&N air filter kit. If manufactured...who? If home fabricated...style, how, any dimensions or pics to accompany? All they sell was just the heat shield. I don't think this good enough. Heat still gets sucked in. TIA..a lot!!!! Das Boots '89 325i BMW CCA SD Chapter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 02:54:48 -0000 From: "Evan Arnerich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] OT - Sylvania HID is here Carey Probst wrote: >So, when do you organize the group purchase? > >Employee discount? Did I miss something on Sylvania's web site? I couldn't find any BMW applications, unless you count the sealed beam replacements. Anyone? ... Anyone? ... Bueller? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:04:36 -0500 From: "Tammer Farid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: McLaren F1 Powerplant hmmm, did someone else see the speedvision "classics" episode on this the other night? i knew the F1 was an amazing car, but watching the design and building processes still made me drool. i had no idea they had some modicum of practicality, also. and nice-looking pre-fitted luggage it is. for a million, it'd better be! tammer farid >Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:55:56 -0400 >From: "Steven Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [uuc] McLaren F1 powerplant > >Is the McLaren F1's engine a modified S70? > >Steve >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 03:18:22 From: "Hassan Hassan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] FS: 1990 535ia Greetings Bimmerheads: I am selling my `90 535i to make space for a 3 series touring. I bought the 535i less than two months ago for my wife while I drive my `91 M5. However, I am happy to announce that after four years of marriage, my wife tells me I am going to be a Daddy! So, I will try to sell it myself for a few weeks before I consider trading it in on the new car. Here are the details: 1990 BMW 535i,$11,500, 96k miles, Glacier blue/Dark blue, automatic transmission. New Bilsteins, OEM exhaust, bushings, Dunlop SP 5000's with less than 1000 miles. For photos, service history and other information, please email me directly at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PS: If there are any dads out there, I could use some advice on what to expect during the 9 month maternity period. None of my friends are married and I am beginning to wonder if there are any special tips I need to know about coping with the female hormonal changes. Respectfully, HB Hassan St. Louis _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 23:37:55 -0400 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Parting out E30 323i. Stock seats? as far as I can tell, the seats in an E30 M3 are identical to those in the "iS" or "eS" variants of non-M E30's. the specs on a European-market only E30 323i are likely something that all of us Yanks don't have a lot of information about however. My E30 has heated M3 seats & I don't think seat heat was a non-M E30 option in the US. Ben Jose Santana wrote: > I'm parting out an E30 323i and I have realized that > the front seats are exactly the same as the E30 M3 > seats. Is it possible that an E30 323 from 1983 had > those seats at that time? Or is it that the previous > owner(s) installed the seats some years later? > I seem to remember that another E30 323i that I saw > some years ago had the same seats as the E30 M3 > as well, so I'm in doubt. I would like to know what the > E30 323 owners out there have on their cars. ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #4011 *************************** ________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Camptown Automotive - http://www.camptownauto.com | Circle Tire Co. (used & classic BMW parts) e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Detailwerks Chicago Inc. "Chicago's Premier Automotive Appearance | Center" . http://www.detailwerkschicago.com |==================================================== | Koala MotorSport . 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