[uucdigest]          Tuesday, July 17 2001          Volume 03 : Number 4025



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In this BMW UUC Digest:

  Re: [uuc] Re:  Model Years (was E30 Seats)  ["Pat Donahue" <pat@patdonahue]
  [uuc] Re: [uucdigest]  E36-Wheels           ["Kittock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
  [uuc] <e30>First Auto-X/Phyrric Victory  [Chris Pawlowicz <cpawlowicz@play]
  Re: [uuc] Aluminum Control Arms for 5ers (was: retailers for e28 Control Arms?)  
[Brad Couvillon <fatdaddybmw@ya]
  [uuc] Re: Model Years                   [ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
  [uuc] Knocking                      ["Richard Z. Bennett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
  [uuc] What part?                      [david kroth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
  Re: [uuc] retailer for E28 lower control arms?  [Neil Deshpande <neildeshp]
  [uuc] Re:  retailer for E28 lower control arms? and other new parts info  [Neil 
Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  [uuc] Roundel photo mistake                         [neil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
  Re: [uuc] Re: <OT> thoroughness                  [Jay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
  [uuc] <E30> Seat Sponge Replacement?  [Neil Deshpande <neildeshpande@yahoo]
  Re: [uuc] What part?                             [Jay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]

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Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:57:34 -0400
From: "Pat Donahue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] Re:  Model Years (was E30 Seats)

Check your facts??  My brother's '95 M3 was built in May or June of '94 and
I seem to remember they built '95 M3s half way through '96 so they didn't
have to do all the updates.

Geeeze
'88 325is race car for sale +++++++++++ new cheap price +++++++++++++
http://patdonahue.com/forsale


From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Not that anyone asked (when has that ever stopped us), but my
understanding
> is that there's more to the model year rules than Gary mentioned.  For
sale
> in the U.S., a car for a given MY can begin production prior to January of
> the MY, or it may continue in production past December 31 of the given MY,
> but not both.  So a MY 2002 car can begin production on January 1 2001 and
> continue through December 31 of 2002.  Or, it may begin production on
> January 1 of 2002 and continue in production through December 31 2003.
But
> not both.

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Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:06:36 -0500
From: "Kittock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest]  E36-Wheels

If you change wheel width, the offset may change also.  My stock sport pkg
16x7 wheels were 46 mm (approx., going by memory...), my 17x8 have 40mm.  I
would also stick with 235/40-17 tires, I've been told the 235/45-17 are too
tall and "could" rub, may be a car to car variation thing where it works on
some and not on others.

Mark Kittock
'96 328i sport


>Subject: Re: [uuc] E36-Wheels
>
>I've got a 99 328is (E36), have upgraded to 17x8 ET44 (44mm offset) wheels
>with 235/45-17 tires, and am happy with the results. I believe wider wheels
>& tires would tend to rub the rear fender unless it was rolled, and the car
>would be "over-tired" as well (the M3 runs 17x8.5 stock rear wheels, but
>has the power to turn those wider tires). If you upgrade wheels, I
>recommend you stick as close to the stock wheel offset as possible. On my
>car it was ET46 (46mm), and your car is probably the same. The offset may
>be stamped somewhere on your stock wheels (check your spare if it's
>easier). 17" wheels and better tires make a very worthwhile handling
>upgrade, in my opinion. Good Luck!
>
>Dave Meyer
>99 328is
>Lorton VA
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>Folks,
>>I'd like to change my standard 15" wheels on my
>>4D '96 328i.  I would like to buy 17".  What can
>>I fit in width, 8 or 8.5? I like look of wider
>>on the rear. The new 540i and ///MZ3 set up look
>>good. I'm in the market to buy now!
>>TIA, Tom
>

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Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 21:15:30 -0400
From: Chris Pawlowicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] <e30>First Auto-X/Phyrric Victory

Jim Laing sez
> Ran my first AutoX today in the Dirty E30. Apparently the judges had one look 
> at the awesome might of the M10 B18 4cyl
>
> What should I replace next for the 
> best bang for buck?

I'd have to say if you are new to the autoX thing, *don't change a
thing* ! well, except for your driving.

Drive and drive and drive and drive and drive lots of autocrosses. There
is a *lot* more to autocrossing than fancy suspensions and shiny
wheels..

I've seen some well driven 318i's quitely trounce some not-so-well
driven 325i's and M cars :)

> My rear felt downright 
> mushy and loose in turns, so much so that I didn't accelerate as much as I 
> could have, or take the turns as hard as I thought I could.

hmmm.. I kind of feel that in you end up backwards mowing down pilons
(or at least eat them with the car sideways) then you know you are
pushing a little hard. Haven't done that yet ? not pushing hard enough!

The problem with modifications is like you already mentioned - they can
bump you up into competitive groups where the rest of the field is even
*faster*.. 

I'm all for doing mods (heck, I can't seem to *not* want to mess with
stuff), but whether it be driving schools or autocrosses, if you haven't
don't have a few years experience under your belt, I'd  suggest the car
(bone stock) has way more capability than you as a driver.

Maybe just 'cuz I'm a crummy driver :)


Chris Pawlowicz
'89 325i
'74 2002

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Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:39:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brad Couvillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] Aluminum Control Arms for 5ers (was: retailers for e28 Control 
Arms?)

Ed writes:

<<<<I don't think they will affect the famous front
end shimmy.>>>>

I know knew ones, no matter the material, will help it
just fine.  Since I need some new ones anyway, might
as well upgrade, right?  :-)

<<<<That in the province of the steel arm with the
bushing that I replaced with the Steve D'G milled
750iL bushing.>>>>

Yep, heard about that one a long time ago.  This was
what I was planning on before I heard that the
aluminum ones would fit an e28.  In either case, I'll
have to do a lot of front end work, I would think.

<<<<The advantage to these is they look cool and
replacing them will lower a little unsprung weight and
they have a bushing tuned to a little heavier
application than the stock E28 unit.>>>>

Ahhh, so they look cool and they reduce a minimal
amount of unsprung weight.

. . .

. . .

. . .

I'LL DO IT!

:-)

Brad Couvillon
'87 528e

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Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 21:56:52 -0400
From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Re: Model Years

Gary has it correct & Pat's comment is also correct.

you can build a 2003 model year car in CY 2001, but you cannot ship it to
dealers until CY 2002.

this means you can build a bunch of new whatevers, park them at the plant (or
wherever else you can find, assembly plants often don't have parking for more
than a few days worth of vehicles), then ship them to the dealerships (we do
this sometimes with new models for various reasons).

you can then keep building the 2003 MY car into 2004 CY.  there is not much
reason to do this as the cars built later in the model year will have lower
residual values than a "newer" model year (even if identical to the prior year)
and consequently will cost the manufacturer more money when it comes to
subsidized lease rates.  lease rates are a _huge_ part of the marketing &
planning strategy for car makers.

this all applies to the US market only.  model years of vehicles are not nearly
as critical in other countries.  In the UK values of vehicles are tightly tied
to the first letter on the license plate.  advertising features the model year
and the reg letter.  in order to stabilize the buying patterns in the market
(something like 50% of all vehicles were registered in the month after the new
plates were issues), the gov't has gone away from the yearly scheme & now splits
the year into 3 or 4 periods.



Ben
'99 M coupe, built in July of '98
'87 332iS, built in Sept of '86 IIRC

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Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:14:14 -0400
From: "Richard Z. Bennett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Knocking

A quick question for everyone,
1994 E34 525i with Conforti chip and 95K miles.  I've noticed some
pinging in lower rpms (less than 3000) when accelerating.  At first I
thought it might be the gas I was using.  Changed gas.  I tried every
type of 92+ octane available in my area, but still hear the
pinging/knocking in lower rpm range.  Car runs great otherwise.  Anyone
familiar with this?  Suggestions, etc.  Please advise.
Thanks!
Richard

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Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:41:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: david kroth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] What part?

Can someone look up this part number for me:

   31 33 1 090 678

The number is cast into the rubber on the front
strut mounts/bearings of my '93 325is.  However, it
does not show up in my parts CD.



=====
David Kroth
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:59:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] retailer for E28 lower control arms?

Brad:

The Al arms reduce unsprung mass so you can run
stiffer springs, all other things being equal and
still have the same chassis response.  In your place,
I'd stay with steel.  Cheaper and sturdier due to
steel being a harder socket for the ball joint than
Al.  Lemfroder is a division of ZF and to be trusted. 
There are fake Lemfroder too though so get it from a
trusted source.

Neil Deshpande
http://www.neilwerke.com

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Brad Couvillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I first learned about the e34 aluminum CAs on the
Bimmer.org e28 board last month.  Someone mentioned
them on there, but no one replied to my post when I
asked for more info on them.  So tell me, what makes
these aluminum ones better than the stock e28 arms? 
Stiffer?  Lighter?  More durable?  Hopefully all
three.


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Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 21:06:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Re:  retailer for E28 lower control arms? and other new parts info

Patrick:

I would recommend getting key safety components like
control arms from reputable suppliers.  I try and go
with the the discounting BMW dealers (The BMW Store,
20%) for all my requirements, but occassionally use
others for non-key components or aftermarket stuff
(Bilstein shocks from Eurasian, AC retrofit from Rusty
Cullens, etc.).  I think you'll find that The BMW
Store's prices are quite acceptable.  

I also try and support my local dealer (Chris BMW,
Decatur, GA) and that is a great help as they will go
to great lenghts to locate TSBs, etc., if I want them.
 Buying local is nice if you need to return anything
too and I kind of like dealing with real people once
in a while.  Plus, things like light resets, etc. 
However, my MI local dealer was outrageously expensive
so I avoided them.

Neil Deshpande
http://www.neilwerke.com

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"James Clay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
It doesn't matter to me if you buy the parts from us
or others.  I don't know about Wholesale Parts
Unlimited, but ask what brand they are selling you or
where it was made.  Meyle and Butco is crap, most
German manufacturers are fairly good, but verify what
they tell you when you get the parts.


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Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:26:49 -0700
From: neil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Roundel photo mistake

Page 34 of the July 2001 issue. Look in the reflection of the Porsche
rear glass at the 3 cars behind, and you'll see the tail end of a silver
(ironic, since 3 of the featured cars are silver) PT Cruiser in other
lane.

- --
Neil Hitze

stuff for sale:
http://www.hitze.com/~neil/forsale/forsaleindex.html

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Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:57:11 -1000
From: Jay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: <OT> thoroughness

yes, and hopefully those people are institutionalized and are receiving 
treatment...just kidding kirk  ;) ...i'm salty b/c i'm having a hard time getting the 
gold B-8 license in
GT-3...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I'm sure that there are many people who are more thorough than I am.

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Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:10:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] <E30> Seat Sponge Replacement?

Gruppe:

I'm (maybe) getting close to reupholstering the
driver's side seat on my 88 iS and was wondering if
the slight depressions in the spongy part inside can
be filled in with something.  Spray can of sponge? 
Should I cut up a bath sponge and glue it in?  

The spots are on the left thigh bolster and the right
backrest bolster.

In general is there any way of rejuvenating the
sponge?  Can you buy bulk sponge and cut it to fit so
the seat gets firmer?  Any inputs are welcome.

Anyone have any experience with
<http://www.expressautomotive.com/index.html>.  Their
prices are certainly 'right'!

Neil Deshpande
http://www.neilwerke.com

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Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:13:23 -1000
From: Jay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] What part?

hey david...the part comes from the front strut
mounts/bearings off a  '93 325is...just kidding...the parts
cd says that the part number is not in the database...the cd
i used has a date of 3/98...hmmm???

david kroth wrote:

>    31 33 1 090 678

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