[uucdigest] Monday, August 6 2001 Volume 03 : Number 4105 _________________________________________________________________ | | Search the ARCHIVES: | http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] | | Visit Richard Nott's Ultimate BMW Database: | http://www.gis.nsw.gov.au/staff/rnott/bmw/bmw.html | | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Technical Problems? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] <E28> fan clutch question [Jeff Pharr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] RE: [uuc] Driving In and about NH (longish) ["KOHLBRENNER,MICHAEL (A-hsgA] Re: [uuc] Min. speed to charge battery [Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks <ro] Re: [uuc] <E28> fan clutch question ["Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [uuc] <E34> mystery noise [Jeff Pharr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] <OT> Ford paint codes [Jeff Pharr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: [uuc] <E34> mystery noise ["Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] RE: [uuc] Min. speed to charge battery ["Fuerst, Robert C. (Chris)" <robe] [uuc] Project X [Steve Nash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] Parking Brake Help! ["Joel Smernoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: [uuc] Min. speed to charge battery ["Daniels, Jason S" <JDANIELS@amfa] Re: [uuc] Project X [Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: [uuc] <rant> apostrophes and model years [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [uuc] rotate tires+no tread left ["Gordo, Ping" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: [uuc] my track experience, well not really... ["Ron Katona" <rkatona@] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 07:57:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Pharr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <E28> fan clutch question What is the purpose of the fan clutch? I'm assuming it locks up as enging temp increases to provide more cooling, but why bother? - --Jeff __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 09:00:50 -0600 From: "KOHLBRENNER,MICHAEL (A-hsgAndover,ex1)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Driving In and about NH (longish) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > ... All marked by cleared fields, whose boundaries are clearly > marked by those stone walls made famous by Robert Frost. > Doesn’t matter where you are off the main freeway – you see > miles of low stone walls that go on forever – everywhere... They don't call it the "Granite State" for nothing! Best regards, Mike Kohlbrenner (NH resident) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 11:13:14 -0400 From: Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Min. speed to charge battery I do not believe the "blip to engage alternator" activity is applicable to the E36. 1st, the behavior that you are describing is a feature of older BMWs. Models such as the E24, E23 (your Seven), and E28 do not electrically engage the alternator until a certain rpm is initially reached. An alternator is a considerable load on an engine that is being started, and disengaging it makes it much easier for the starter motor to spin without that extra drag. This is particularly useful if you have a weak battery. So when you blip the throttle and reach that threshold (1200rpm or 1500rpm, I forgot exactly), then the alternator gets switched on. Until that point, as long as the alternator light is on, the car's ignition system is running strictly on battery power. It's a great way to kill your battery if you feel like it; start the car and leave it running without that initial blip. Battery should be fully discharged within half an hour or so. - - Rob '94 M5 3.8 Touring '98 Project X '01 R1200C > From: "Fuerst, Robert C. (Chris)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > Subject: RE: [uuc] Min. speed to charge battery > > Not set in stone but normal idle (600 RPM?) should be fine. some need to hit a > "high" to start to work. Not sure what that is all about, how it works, etc... > For instance, on my 733i, when it starts the alternator light will come on and > stay on until the gas is "blipped", then goes out. > > 1st ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:09:07 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <E28> fan clutch question Why bother what, cooling? A mechanical fan is more powerful and reliable than an electric fan. But when driving at medium to high speeds, it is not needed and consumes power unnecessarily. The solution is to incorporate a clutch so the fan pulls plenty or cooling air at low speeds, yet does not waste power and fuel at higher speeds. Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > What is the purpose of the fan clutch? > > I'm assuming it locks up as enging temp increases to > provide more cooling, but why bother? > > --Jeff > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 08:11:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Pharr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <E34> mystery noise I'm trying to track down the source of a noise in my E34, and thought you guys might be able to give me a clue or two... It is coming from somewhere in the dash, around the instrument cluster, and it sounds like a sticking speedo cable to me. You know, when you were driving your old Nova and until you got over 35 mph, the needle would just jump between 0 and 85, making a little 'tick' every time it pegged full scale? Well, that is what it sounds like, but I hear it when I turn the car off. The key is still in the car, but in the off position. I hear five or six 'ticks', I'd say every other time I stop the car. While driving, I also hear what I think is the same sound if I lift the throttle slightly while driving. I suspected some sort of a vacuum pump/HVAC thingy shutting itself down, but since it also happens while driving it seems like it must be something else. Any thoughts? - --Jeff __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 08:15:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Pharr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <OT> Ford paint codes Way off topic here, but I suspect there may be someone out there who can help. I'm preparing to paint my father's '85 Ford Ranger and I'm trying to do some material cost estimates for him. Does anyone know if the paint code is noted on the body, and if so, where? Was ford using base/clear in '85? Please reply off-list if you can help. Thanks, - --Jeff __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:25:53 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <E34> mystery noise Mine makes lots of clicks and whirrs after I shut it down. Those cars have a very active HVAC system. Also there is a cooling fan for the E box. Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I'm trying to track down the source of a noise in my > E34, and thought you guys might be able to give me a > clue or two... > > It is coming from somewhere in the dash, around the > instrument cluster, and it sounds like a sticking > speedo cable to me. You know, when you were driving > your old Nova and until you got over 35 mph, the > needle would just jump between 0 and 85, making a > little 'tick' every time it pegged full scale? > > Well, that is what it sounds like, but I hear it when > I turn the car off. The key is still in the car, but > in the off position. I hear five or six 'ticks', I'd > say every other time I stop the car. While driving, I > also hear what I think is the same sound if I lift the > throttle slightly while driving. > > I suspected some sort of a vacuum pump/HVAC thingy > shutting itself down, but since it also happens while > driving it seems like it must be something else. > > Any thoughts? > > --Jeff > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:22:42 -0400 From: "Fuerst, Robert C. (Chris)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Min. speed to charge battery yeah, the wife sends the kids out in the winter to start it and this happened before. One of the reasons I don't want to get a remote starter for the car. Thanks for the model number clarification. I wasn't sure what that occurred in (on?). (:-)) is that a smiley in parenthesis? So - to recap, is idle speed or lower going to charge an E36's (here we go again) battery? Is that the question? I guess for an E36 the min. RPM would be 1? theoretically anyway? 1st > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > It's a great way to kill your battery if you feel like it; start the car > and > leave it running without that initial blip. Battery should be fully > discharged within half an hour or so. > > - Rob > '94 M5 3.8 Touring > '98 Project X > '01 R1200C ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 11:31:40 -0400 From: Steve Nash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Project X Rob, Care to tell us about Project X? Inquiring minds want to know. - -Steve 1989 M3 1997 VW GLX 1991 Explorer - I wish this would die so I can get something else >- Rob >'94 M5 3.8 Touring >'98 Project X >'01 R1200C ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 15:51:57 From: "Joel Smernoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Parking Brake Help! While attempting to adjust my parking brake last night, was loosening the two bolts on the parking brake cable end under the handbrake lever. The passenger side nut would back off, but cranking on the driver's side nut would just wind up the cable and not loosen the nut. what is the secret trick to keeping the parking brake cable from spinning when loosening these nuts? getting tired of cursing at the car late in the night! ;-) - -Joel Smernoff '96 Z3 '88 M3 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 10:54:32 -0500 From: "Daniels, Jason S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Min. speed to charge battery Quite a few Japanese cars will not charge until above 1200 rpm. Jason - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fuerst, Robert C. (Chris)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 7:59 AM Subject: RE: [uuc] Min. speed to charge battery > Not set in stone but normal idle (600 RPM?) should be fine. > some need to hit a "high" to start to work. Not sure > what that is all about, how it works, etc... > For instance, on my 733i, when it starts the alternator light > will come on and stay on until the gas is "blipped", then goes > out. > > 1st ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 12:03:50 -0400 From: Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Project X Nope, not yet. I'm putting together a proper presentation. Besides that, it's still a "work in progress" with some major components as yet unfinished. The only thing I can say at this point is that you might know how much I miss my '88 M5 Turbo. No, I didn't buy it back. No, I didn't do anything radical to my '94 M5 (aside from the 6-speed, 3.45 gearset, and Quaife that went in a couple of months ago). But Project X should keep me satisfied... at least for a week or two. - - Rob > From: Steve Nash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [uuc] Project X > Rob, > Care to tell us about Project X? > Inquiring minds want to know. > > -Steve > >> - Rob >> '94 M5 3.8 Touring >> '98 Project X >> '01 R1200C ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 12:01:38 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] <rant> apostrophes and model years In a message dated 8/6/01 12:25:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, it was written: << I believe the rule is the same as with parenthesis.. the final punctuation belongs inside the quote. >> You guys need to s*bscribe to a good provider like AOL. The spelling checker does all this for you. Michel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 09:12:52 -0700 From: "Gordo, Ping" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] rotate tires+no tread left Subject: Re: [uuc] rotate tires+no tread left Mike says: >Ummm, John >Didnt you get several replies about this tire thing? I know I saw 2 that >were from folks that KNOW E-36 very good. You have an alignment problem or >heavy foot. Those pressures didnt wear the tires out. >Mike I too have wear problems, Mike. Nobody's been able to convince me that it's my heavy foot either; I never drive faster than the speed limit and around SoCal, it's around 100 mph. I think it's the pressures myself ;-). Pingger ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 12:18:16 -0400 From: "Ron Katona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] my track experience, well not really... jay wrote: >i thought (along with others) that the track would be "open" >at the end of the day, but we were running an autocross on >the track...if that makes any sense...well, the subies ran >it that way...then volunteers had their crack at it...cones >were set up to slow the drivers down, as well as insurance >costs... Personally, I think running an autocross on a road race circuit is more likely to bend sheet metal than just running the track normally. I stopped doing these types of events last year. This year, a Saturn was totaled and a Boxster and Corvette heavily damaged at a road course autocross in the DC region. We were lucky no one was hurt. The event was stopped after the third incident. Wasn't a lack of safety procedures or poor course design (although speeds had crept up through the years that these events were held to well above SCCA suggestions), but rather the fact that most tracks aren't designed for people to go off where you might go off in an autocross (which is anywhere, really). Insurance costs aren't a factor. An autocross is an autocross to places like K&K Insurance. The overall safety record (and therefore risk of a claim) of the insured club determines the policy premium. Remember, the policy only covers liability to the club, not the cars or drivers. In other words, never be fooled that a race course full of cones is not more dangerous than a regular autocross, or possibly even a regular lapping day. >next thing i know, we're sideways facing >a guardrail...so i correct, and we end up facing the >guardrail on the other side... And if you're autocrossing at 100%, this will happen from time to time. That's why the road course events scare me. The only time I've been really, REALLY, sideways-out-of-shape, just pray and hold on, at speed on a race track is during an autocross. That was last year and that's when I decided road course events aren't a good idea in a car that still carries a bank note. >i neglected to take into consideration the weight of my >passenger on my run... It's true that the passenger will change the handling of the car, but it's almost impossible to predict this and mentally adapt to it beforehand. In the end, you're still just getting feedback from the car and reacting to it. You might have gotten just as loose without the passenger. - -- Ron Katona ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #4105 *************************** ________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | Camptown Automotive - http://www.camptownauto.com | Circle Tire Co. 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