[uucdigest] Wednesday, August 8 2001 Volume 03 : Number 4117 _________________________________________________________________ | | Search the ARCHIVES: | http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] | | Visit Richard Nott's Ultimate BMW Database: | http://www.gis.nsw.gov.au/staff/rnott/bmw/bmw.html | | For all available Digest commands including unsubscribe/subscribe, | visit the BMW UUC Digest page: http://www.uucdigest.com | | Send SUBMISSIONS to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Complaints? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you must. | Technical Problems? Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: Re: [uuc] Any Experience with Looong Oil Light?? [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] RE: [uuc] RE: Said/Stuck win ["scott palmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Re: [uuc] E30 M3 vs E23 735i [Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks <rob@shortshi] [uuc] RE: Said/Stuck win ["Ron Katona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] RE: [uuc] brake bleeding on E34 [Don Eilenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]] RE: [uuc] RE: Said/Stuck win ["scott palmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] Re: <E30> Mintex Brake Pads [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] RE: [uuc] E30 M3 vs E23 735i ["Karl Zemlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] FS: '98 M3 [Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] <OT> re: Real Maps. [Herman Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [uuc] <E28> Cracked Front Spoiler: Options! [Neil Deshpande <neildeshpand] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 00:18:34 -0400 (EDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] Any Experience with Looong Oil Light?? >From a musty, dusty corner of Steven Tom's mind came... > >I have the same symptoms you do. Take off your oil filter and look down >the hole. You will see 2 small 5/8" holes off center. These holes should >be covered with a spring loaded cap. These caps prevent oil from going >through the filter until the pressure gets high enough to overcome the >spring pressure. When your car is cold there is no oil in the filter >area. The 5 seconds is what takes that area to fill up and then get the >rest of the system to optimum pressure. When your car is just turned off >there is still oil in the filter area, hence turning the light off >faster. One of mine broke off. The only solution is to replace the >complete assembly as they are non replaceable items, I believe. If you >find out differently let me know. > >steve > What about us with the lowly m20 engine and the same symptoms? - -- Joe - -- Joseph M. Krzeszewski Network Operations [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack of All Trades, Master of None... Yet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 23:20:02 -0700 From: "scott palmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] RE: Said/Stuck win I can't say that I know Said or Stuck on a very personal level, but I have had the opportunity to speak with both of them and I thought they were pretty dang nice. I talked to Stuck for a few before the Petit Le Mans last year. He seemed pretty down to earth to me. The thing I remember most since it was the first time I had ever seen him in person is how friggin tall he is. =) At this years Rolex 24 I talked to Said in the Pit after one of his stints in the Jet Motorsports BMW and he was pretty cool. I just walked up to him and said, "Man...what's it like having that v8 in the M3 now?" and we gabbed for a few mins. As for Said's flippant remarks about the P-cars etc. He seems like the smartass type to me, and since there is a healthy rivalry between the two, he is just feeding people what they want to hear. Heck even Tom Milner takes his shots at Porsche. In the Feb. 2001 issue of Bimmer, talking about the difficulty of the 2000 season, "Those 'Volkswagens with lock washers'as Milner refers to Porsches, are going to have some serious competition next year!" It's just good natured ribbing in the spirit of competition. peace scott ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 00:01:31 -0400 From: Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] E30 M3 vs E23 735i Are you sure that 735i is an E23? 1988 is the first year of the E32, a completely different creature than the previous E23. Clarifying that would definitely change the sort of answers you might get. - - Rob > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [uuc] E30 M3 vs E23 735i > In looking for a replacement for my old '84 318 that was totalled at the end > of June, I've had my eye on an '88 M3 to replace it (nothing like another E30 > to replace an old one!) <snip> > Next up: > My Dad found a guy at his office selling an '88 E23 735i. <snip> > --Brian Ruiz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 00:01:51 -0400 From: "Ron Katona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: Said/Stuck win Russ Coppes wrote: >Well, >I for one like Saids stick. I'm tired of hearing all the same old politically correct BULL SHIT from dirvers and >team owners alike. I couldn't have said what he said about what Said said any better even if I had said what he said about what Said said myself. Having said that, he should have said "Said's schtick", not "Saids stick"... not to be confused with Stuck's schtick, although I have said that what Said said was not as funny as Stuck's schtick. - -- Ron Katona ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 00:30:35 -0400 From: Don Eilenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] brake bleeding on E34 A Don (great name!) asked: >Grupe: > >I'm doing brakes on my 95 540i. Bentley indicates that cars with ASC+T >should not be pedal bled, presure bled or vacum bled. Is the only option to >have the dealer do it? I've used my Powell design presure bleeder with >great sucess on my e28 and Neil D's e30. Is there some problem pressure >bleeding ASC+T e34 cars? > >TIA > >Don I've heard stories of gravity bleeding.. but I don't have the patience for that. Apparently everyone who has ever power-bled an ABS system has ruined it (not!) according to the latest news for independent mechanics (at least mine.. who refuses to build a power bleeder.. but I digress.. :-) If there is a problem with bleeding ASC+T cars, I haven't experienced it - I happily flushed (not a dry-bleed) my '98 528i with DSC (which is ASC+T with a new name I think) without a problem. Brakes working fine. I did a complete fill and dry-bleed to the ABS system I added to my '85 BMW - motorcycle.. works fine. I do not put 50PSI on the system.. more likely about 10PSI.. which is WAY less than the master cylinder itself will put out.. it gives adequate flow - not FAST, but adequate.. Don Eilenberger, Spring Lk Hts, NJ JMP#1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] NJ Shore BMW Riders web page: http://www.njsbmwr.org/ Moderator BMW E39 Enthusiast Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bmwe39 ==================================================================== "Parking lots are not an appropriate place.." ==================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 00:42:21 -0700 From: "scott palmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] RE: Said/Stuck win LOL!!!!!!!! now I need a schplint, I mean splint on my tongue after reading that a couple times! - -----Original Message----- I couldn't have said what he said about what Said said any better even if I had said what he said about what Said said myself. Having said that, he should have said "Said's schtick", not "Saids stick"... not to be confused with Stuck's schtick, although I have said that what Said said was not as funny as Stuck's schtick. - -- Ron Katona ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 00:45:12 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: <E30> Mintex Brake Pads Don wrote: > Has anyone tried the Mintex C-tech MV1144 for track use? Yes. I tried them for the rears only on my '87 325iS K-stock club race car. I didn't get the fronts as I am very happy with my PF90s on the front. They are a bit softer than I would have liked and wear ok, but not as good as the Pagid blues. They also take a while to bed in (i.e., first session I had a mushy pedal) > Has anyone tried these or know where to buy them? You can get them from Eurasian in Temecula, CA. 800-824-8814. Dave can get you the Mintex or Pagids. So far I liked the Pagid blues better than the Mintex 1144 for a rear pad. Mintex also makes an 1166 endurance formula pad for our cars. I'm trying those on the rear for the 3 hour enduro that I'm running this weekend in LV. Yes, it is a night enduro! Cheers, Kirk Lachman Sin City Chapter '87 325iS #185 K-stock '97 2.8 Z3 -- For Sale! '92 525i (5-speed) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 23:48:50 -0500 From: "Karl Zemlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] E30 M3 vs E23 735i I had an e23 for a few years, until someone creamed it. The main thing with the e23 is the chassis is loose - just not stiff enough to live up to the driving expectations of most of us bimwads. The gas mileage is 17-19 in town (automatic) and in the low 20s on the freeway. Working on the car isn't TOO bad - but there's gobs of vacuum lines and wires to follow. For that car as you describe it, $5500 is probably high. I paid $4500 for mine 5 years ago, although it was an '85. Also, if you are looking at an e23, it ain't an 88. 87 was the last year for the e23. The 88 was the e32 - a much more driveable car IMHO - but I never owned one. If I were in your shoes - I think I'd favor the M3. a LOT more fun, unless you really need the room. My daughters loved the 7. Reading lights, lots of room, rear vents (although they aren't worth much) and the sunshade to keep them cool. For me a 3 is not an option. I'm considering 7s again as my 11 year old is almost 5'7" and growing fast. Rear leg room will be an issue soon. Happy hunting. - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 8:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] E30 M3 vs E23 735i I know, I know, there's nothing really to compare here, as the two vehicles are drastically different in almost all respects, but.... In looking for a replacement for my old '84 318 that was totalled at the end of June, I've had my eye on an '88 M3 to replace it (nothing like another E30 to replace an old one!) It seems in good condition, and the owner seems to know what he's doing with it, as all the major pitfalls of the model have been taken care of (intake gaskets, oil pan baffle). It has around 90,000 miles, and he's asking around $13000 for it. Next up: My Dad found a guy at his office selling an '88 E23 735i. He says the paint is in good condition, and the interior looks immaculate. He spoke to the guy selling it, and the seller said that it's been serviced by a BMW licensed mechanic (for it's whole life? I don't know), and that he was going to have it painted, but he thought that might cause a prospective buyer to think it has been damaged (which it has not, as far as I know). All this tells me the guy knows what he's talking about, and would most possibly have all his service records since he's had it (he's a second owner). However, the car has 160,000 something miles. He's asking $5500 negotiable for it. My question is: does this seem like a wise choice? I have always wanted an M3, even while I still had my 318 (hey - what red-blooded BMW aficionado wouldn't?! :) ), but the fact that my Dad said he was reluctant to get another BMW because of repair costs, and is now telling me about this one, has me wondering if I should just hold out for the M3. (I also really want a manual tranny, as my 318 was an auto :( ) As you can see, both cars are the same model year, but the M3 has HALF as many miles. Are the E23s (<----I think that's correct apostrophe usage :P) a PITA to work on, and are they reliable? How fuel efficient are they? I'm obviously assuming a huge 3.5L 6 would guzzle more gas and have worse mileage than the powerful but small 2.3L 4 in the M3, but what do you guys think about one over the other? TIA for any replies. - --Brian Ruiz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 22:21:33 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] FS: '98 M3 Forwarded for a friend - please contact John directly. This is a beautiful car with a great track suspension. I've ridden in it at speed. Located in the SF Bay Area. - - Mark - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (office) - ------------------------------- Mark, here's my Roundel ad: === Roundel Ad === 1998 M3 Sedan VIN WBSCD9328WEE08692 Silver/Grey, 5-speed, 30K miles, Power Seats, H/K Sound w/ 6 CD changer. $32,000.00. 408 373-9466; [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.johnr.com/m3.html (CA) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 22:34:16 -0700 From: Herman Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <OT> re: Real Maps. neil wrote: > 3. NASA is working on a 3-D map of the entire globe. > Maybe this will be on 3-D CD soon. NASA rocks! this may be of interest: <http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/srtm/> Herman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 22:52:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <E28> Cracked Front Spoiler: Options! Joe: There are a couple of options: 1. Try looking for the E28 535iS spoiler. Same part, but it might not be NLA. Who knows! 2. Go to the E28 non-M spoiler. Stealth and cheap. 3. Switch to the Euro setup with either the big plastic airdam, rocker covers and rear skirt or just the small chrome bumpers. IIRC, Mr. Alex Caggan (sp?) had advertised that he knew how to get these Euro parts for 'good' prices. Find his establishment at: <http://members.rennlist.com/autoconsortium/> Note that those who have done this conversion record that it is not plug and play for the front at least. I know Ed McVaugh did this on his E28 M5 and has pictures of it. I think he is [EMAIL PROTECTED], but that could be wrong. Another link is: <http://www.m535i.org/officers/ra/article.html#bodywork> I would go for the Euro conversion myself if insurance is picking up at least part of the cost. I did the later bumper upgrades to my E30s and I'm very happy with the updated look. See WWW page for details. Let us know what you do! Neil Deshpande http://www.neilwerke.com *** "Helen Fahy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I smacked a recently shed, 15-25 seconds earlier, truck tire remnant on the Pa Turnpike about a month ago. In the process, the inner valance and the front spoiler were damaged. The local body shop successfully sourced the sheet metal, but the spoiler supplied was the wrong part. I suspect that it is for the E34 M5. Anyway, my local BMW dealer says there are none in the US or Germany. Does anyone have a source? If not what aesthetically acceptable and available solutions exist to replace the spoiler? A big thanks to all respondents! Joe Fahy Spring Mills, PA 814-422-8210 voice 814-422-8135 fax __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! 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