[uucdigest] Tuesday, January 14 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6021
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Re: [uuc] BMW CCA Driving Events (was Insurance, again) [uuc] More Info and Pics on e28 Trans problem ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 16:23:25 -0600 From: "Ben White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] BMW CCA Driving Events (was Insurance, again) Al, Your post was very well stated and I completely concur. I would add that I have also participated in Skip Barber and Bob Bondiurant schools that were designed (and described as) either 'defensive driving' or 'high performance' schools that had absolutely nothing to do with racing. I don't see how an insurance company could legitimately refuse to cover participation in a school designed to improve driving skills. I certainly think that these schools along with CCA schools have made me a better driver, i.e. better able to protect myself from less skilled, less attentive drivers. Just my opinion... Ben White/Ocean Springs, MS - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Buchanan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 3:04 PM Subject: [uuc] BMW CCA Driving Events (was Insurance, again) > The question appears to be: Is personal insurance coverage for driver > education events excluded (under the quoted policy language), merely because > the participant's subjective intention is to "practice or prepare for" a > "prearranged or organized" racing or speed contest? > > At most, in my view, it's only "excluded" in the metaphysical sense. It's > like arguing that a 16-year old who is learning how to drive should have no > insurance coverage for the rest of his life, simply because he aspires to > apply those driving skills as a professional racer some day when he grows > up. Taking the argument to this extreme (albeit necessary) conclusion > demonstrates its fallacy. The connection between the activity resulting in a > claim and the excluded activity is just too tenuous. So if my own policy was > written like the one quoted below, and I had a claim arising from a BMW CCA > Driving Event, I would certainly expect my insurer to cover it. And I would > expect a court would likely agree with me, in the event that my insurer > refused to cover and I decided it was worthwhile to litigate. (Whether I > would actually submit and pursue the claim in this market, at the risk of > drastic premium increases and potential non-renewal, is another issue > entirely.) If my insurer wanted to exclude "driver education" events, I > would expect that exclusion to be spelled out clearly and unambiguously in > the policy. > > Of course, if something called "driver ed" takes place in close temporal and > physical proximity to an actual race (e.g., same track/ same day), consists > exclusively of racing participants, is timed, and has few rules and lacks > formal instruction... the question becomes much closer. In that instance, an > insurer might legitimately question whether the event is actually "race > preparation" masquerading as a "driver school." But that is not how BMW > CCA - authorized Driving Events are conducted. > > The foregoing represents only my personal view if I was in this situation. > However, as a volunteer risk manager for BMW CCA, Inc., I can say that our > organization carefully delineates a detailed protocol for true "driving > schools" and disclaims any affiliation with or sponsorship of ambiguous > events such as "hot laps," "lapping days," etc. Participants who enter > authorized BMW CCA Driving Events (as well as their insurers) should feel > confident that BMW CCA, Inc. does not view these events as "races" or even > "preparation" for racing. Our view is: if you want to race, there is a > program for you and it's called "Club Racing"- not "driver education." > > Al Buchanan > Risk Manager/ Legal Counsel > BMW CCA, Inc. > > ------------------------------ > > Carl Sewell wrote: > > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:29:48 -0500 > From: "carl sewell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [uuc] Insurance, again > > All the recent comments re insurance prompted me to request a specimen > policy from my carrier, Travelers, since the annual billing/statement does > not include the "fine print." > > Travelers (in Virginia) says they will provide neither liability, collision, > nor comprehensive coverage for: > Any vehicle located inside a facility designed for racing for the purpose > of: > a. Competing in; or > b. Practicing or preparing for; > Any prearranged or organized racing or speed contest. > > Obviously many driving school participants have no intention of ever racing, > and I wonder how the group sees "prearranged or organized..." If you never > race, are you covered? If you ever race, have you no coverage for driving > schools? Any comments welcomed. > > Carl Sewell > Charlottesville VA > e36 M3/4 > CCA 151298 > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:39:21 -0800 From: "Kelvin Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] BMW shop recommendations in Socal Does anyone have any recommendations for a good BMW chassis shop in Socal. I'm having some issues with the coilovers on my e39 that I'd like resolved. They're making some very ungainly noises. More on the car here: http://classy5er.freewebspace.com This message is being cross-posted. Kelvin Liu Staff Engineer Molecular Reflections 6350 Nancy Ridge Drive Suite 102 San Diego, CA 92121 www.molref.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:53:23 -0800 (PST) From: Brad Couvillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] e28 Transmission Selector Shaft Broke Off! Someone tell me what's wrong with these pictures. . . http://www.fatdaddybmw.com/tranny/images/trannyswap335.jpg http://www.fatdaddybmw.com/tranny/images/trannyswap336.jpg http://www.fatdaddybmw.com/tranny/images/trannyswap337.jpg http://www.fatdaddybmw.com/tranny/images/trannyswap338.jpg I'll explain later. Right now, I just need to sit here and calm down. What confuses me is that these were all new parts. Brad "Not Shiftin' Anymore" Couvillon '87 528e www.fatdaddybmw.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:55:03 -0800 From: Kurt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] BMW CCA Driving Events (was Insurance, again) I was at an Audi school last weekend. There was an emergency room Dr there who is collecting statistics on accidents in California and the effect a driver's safety seminar has on that number. His numbers have all sorts of bias in them, however they were still interesting. He said that 50% of people in the 18-24 age group will get in an accident. He then looked at over 500 drivers in that age group who had attended a driver's safety seminar. Less than 5% of those who had attended a safety seminar had been involved in an accident. He's been trying to present his findings to the insurance companies, but they're not listening. - -Kurt Ben White wrote: >Al, > Your post was very well stated and I completely concur. I would add that >I have also participated in Skip Barber and Bob Bondiurant schools that were >designed (and described as) either 'defensive driving' or 'high performance' >schools that had absolutely nothing to do with racing. I don't see how an >insurance company could legitimately refuse to cover participation in a >school designed to improve driving skills. I certainly think that these >schools along with CCA schools have made me a better driver, i.e. better >able to protect myself from less skilled, less attentive drivers. Just my >opinion... > Ben White/Ocean Springs, MS >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Al Buchanan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 3:04 PM >Subject: [uuc] BMW CCA Driving Events (was Insurance, again) > > > > >>The question appears to be: Is personal insurance coverage for driver >>education events excluded (under the quoted policy language), merely >> >> >because > > >>the participant's subjective intention is to "practice or prepare for" a >>"prearranged or organized" racing or speed contest? >> >>At most, in my view, it's only "excluded" in the metaphysical sense. It's >>like arguing that a 16-year old who is learning how to drive should have >> >> >no > > >>insurance coverage for the rest of his life, simply because he aspires to >>apply those driving skills as a professional racer some day when he grows >>up. Taking the argument to this extreme (albeit necessary) conclusion >>demonstrates its fallacy. The connection between the activity resulting in >> >> >a > > >>claim and the excluded activity is just too tenuous. So if my own policy >> >> >was > > >>written like the one quoted below, and I had a claim arising from a BMW >> >> >CCA > > >>Driving Event, I would certainly expect my insurer to cover it. And I >> >> >would > > >>expect a court would likely agree with me, in the event that my insurer >>refused to cover and I decided it was worthwhile to litigate. (Whether I >>would actually submit and pursue the claim in this market, at the risk of >>drastic premium increases and potential non-renewal, is another issue >>entirely.) If my insurer wanted to exclude "driver education" events, I >>would expect that exclusion to be spelled out clearly and unambiguously in >>the policy. >> >>Of course, if something called "driver ed" takes place in close temporal >> >> >and > > >>physical proximity to an actual race (e.g., same track/ same day), >> >> >consists > > >>exclusively of racing participants, is timed, and has few rules and lacks >>formal instruction... the question becomes much closer. In that instance, >> >> >an > > >>insurer might legitimately question whether the event is actually "race >>preparation" masquerading as a "driver school." But that is not how BMW >>CCA - authorized Driving Events are conducted. >> >>The foregoing represents only my personal view if I was in this situation. >>However, as a volunteer risk manager for BMW CCA, Inc., I can say that our >>organization carefully delineates a detailed protocol for true "driving >>schools" and disclaims any affiliation with or sponsorship of ambiguous >>events such as "hot laps," "lapping days," etc. Participants who enter >>authorized BMW CCA Driving Events (as well as their insurers) should feel >>confident that BMW CCA, Inc. does not view these events as "races" or even >>"preparation" for racing. Our view is: if you want to race, there is a >>program for you and it's called "Club Racing"- not "driver education." >> >>Al Buchanan >>Risk Manager/ Legal Counsel >>BMW CCA, Inc. >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Carl Sewell wrote: >> >>Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:29:48 -0500 >>From: "carl sewell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: [uuc] Insurance, again >> >>All the recent comments re insurance prompted me to request a specimen >>policy from my carrier, Travelers, since the annual billing/statement does >>not include the "fine print." >> >>Travelers (in Virginia) says they will provide neither liability, >> >> >collision, > > >>nor comprehensive coverage for: >>Any vehicle located inside a facility designed for racing for the purpose >>of: >>a. Competing in; or >>b. Practicing or preparing for; >>Any prearranged or organized racing or speed contest. >> >>Obviously many driving school participants have no intention of ever >> >> >racing, > > >>and I wonder how the group sees "prearranged or organized..." If you never >>race, are you covered? If you ever race, have you no coverage for driving >>schools? Any comments welcomed. >> >>Carl Sewell >>Charlottesville VA >>e36 M3/4 >>CCA 151298 >> >> >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:57:02 -0800 (PST) From: Brad Couvillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] More Info and Pics on e28 Trans problem Look at these two pictures: http://www.fatdaddybmw.com/tranny/images/trannyswap23801.jpg http://www.fatdaddybmw.com/tranny/images/trannyswap23802.jpg Now, compare those pictures to what you see in this picture: http://www.fatdaddybmw.com/tranny/images/trannyswap335.jpg What you'll notice is that in the very first picture in this post (the part with the red highlighting), the red highlighted pieces are the new parts that I installed. They connect the lower shift rod (also new) to the transmission's selector rod. The second picture (green highlighting) is the whole part that you see in the third picture. The additional part is what was originally attached TO the transmission and that BROKE off. This means that I'll either need to install another G260 tranny or find a broken G260 and install the selector parts. Heck, I really don't know what I need to do. I probably either need this tranny rebuilt or need a whole new one. By the way, here's a picture of the old pieces compared to the new pieces. They're situated kinda backwards, but you get the idea: http://www.fatdaddybmw.com/tranny/images/trannyswap237.jpg The way I found this: I was under the car, just now, installing a new rubber rear sheetmetal console mount. I got it mostly installed and decided to see if there was still any play. I moved the lower shift rod and noticed IT had some play in it. Hmm, this can't be right. I felt hardly any resistance at all, so I decided to see if the front part had lost its circlip and come undone or something. Well, I noticed that somehow it wasn't even connected to the transmission. I thought the new parts I had installed had lost the circlip and slide pin or something, which wouldn't be TOO much of a b*tch to do but at least nothing's broken. Well, when I pulled the whole thing out, this crap is what I found. My hypothesis: Not to blame this on my dad, but the only point in the shifting of this transmission that I can think of that would've broken this is when my dad was trying to find reverse. He was trying to go left and DOWN and was banging the sh*t out of the shift lever to get it. I finally noticed what he was doing (I was outside the car and looking under the car when he was doing this) and shifted it UPWARD for him. Again, I really don't want to blame this on him, but I really think that's how it happened. Any other guesses on what I could've done to make this thing break off? TIA, Brad Couvillon __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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