[uucdigest]         Tuesday, January 14 2003         Volume 03 : Number 6022



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In this BMW UUC Digest:

       [uuc] RE: Rob and radar detector recommendations
       Re: [uuc] RE: Rob and radar detector recommendations
       [uuc] Re: <E36> Winter Tires
       [uuc] More Info and Pics on e28 Trans problem
       Re: [uuc] <E36> Winter Tires
       [uuc] BMW CCA Driving Events (was Insurance, again)
       [uuc] e28 Transmission Selector Shaft Broke Off!
       Re: [uuc] e28 Transmission Selector Shaft Broke Off!

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 17:04:55 -0600
From: Clarence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] RE: Rob and radar detector recommendations

Rob wrote:

>Actually, I got pulled over last night (this morning) at about 2am in the
>E46 M3.  No detector in the car (slap self silly), radared at 75mph in a
>50mph "construction zone" (2 miles of unhindered highway before an area
>where there actually is something going on in the daytime).  My reply was
>"75 in a 50?  Oh, sorry about that!"  Not my best get-out-of-ticket line
>ever, but I suppose being nice always works.  The Gentleman and an Officer
>was nice enough to let me off with a warning, quite decent of him.
>
DON'T speed in construction zones in Wisconsin: the fine doubles. And from what 
I've been reading on this digest, Wisconsin is in the higher range of fines.

Clarence;  more careful in construction zones, but yes, I understand the desire to go 
faster when nobody's around and the road is straight and clear

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:10:51 -0800
From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] RE: Rob and radar detector recommendations

Clarence at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> DON'T speed in construction zones in Wisconsin: the fine doubles.
>

California, too.

- - Mark, doesn't speed in construction zones
- --
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 17:14:14 -0600
From: Clarence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Re: <E36> Winter Tires

1/14/03 5:04:09 PM, "Dorffer, Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Excellent, another satisfied customer of the Hakka Qs.
>

Did Rich say this or Montgomery Burns??

>I have a friend that just purchased the new Nokian WRs (and he has had the 
NRWs to compare them against).  This will be a new data point too for there all-
weather 4 season tires.  These don't come in an E36 M3 fitment size currently but 
maybe in the future.

I wasn't impressed w/my first set of NRWs. I tossed them this year w/what should 
have been another season left on them. The new Qs are at least as stable on dry 
pavement. Then again, I am glad for improvements being made.

Clarence
West Bend, WI

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 18:50:20 -0500
From: "Dorffer, Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] More Info and Pics on e28 Trans problem

> Again, I really don't want to blame this on him, but I
> really think that's how it happened.  Any other
> guesses on what I could've done to make this thing
> break off?

Yep, I would guess that the transmission took a shot/hit at some point against the 
selector rod between
the time it was removed from the old car and it was installed in the new car (over 
that weekend
installation I suppose ;-).

It probably cracked but didn't break off completely and, during the early usage, you 
finished it
off.  Do you recall ever knocking this corner of the transmission? Was it shipped? How 
was it
packed? What did the box look like?

I doubt your Dad broke it from what you describe.  If he did, then it was already 
prone to breakage from something else (like I hypothesized).

You can replace just the transmission selector rod (is it part number 23 31 1 208 532 
??) but it would require removing the tranny and opening it up (I don't know how hard 
this last part would be though).

Regards,

Rich - wondering if my weekend joke will be as appreciated on the UUC Digest as it may 
on the E30 Group?!?

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 20:54:39 -0500
From: "Mike Gambini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] <E36> Winter Tires

I live in the Boston area too, so winter tires are definitely appropriate. I
had the Blizzaks before and HATED them--ruined the handling completely.
Maybe the new Blizzaks are better, but I went with the Michelin Artic Alpins
this time. They are not as good in the snow/ice as the Blizzaks, but much
better for handling. I don't know about the Pilots, but the Alpins are
already marginal in snow, so I would not go for anything worse. I live in
the "sticks" with a long shared unsanded driveway, so you might be OK if
live near main roads.
MikeG
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve.Goldstein" ] <E36> Winter Tires


> This being the first winter I've owned my 1999 323is, and what
> with all the snow around here (Boston area), I'm thinking hard
> about snow tires on steel wheels. Yes, I know I'm a month late
> already, but better late than very late.
>
> Any comments regarding Michelin Arctic-Alpin vs Blizzak WS-50?

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 20:12:12 -0600
From: "Al Buchanan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] BMW CCA Driving Events (was Insurance, again)

After having read my prior message, a very knowledgeable and esteemed
colleague of mine commented that there are probably some insurance companies
out there that would still deny a claim -- even under the quoted policy
language -- merely because the occurrence took place at speed at a track
facility. That may be so, even though the occurrence happened at a
legitimate "drivers school" that had nothing to do with "racing." My
friend's comments are valid. Which is another way of saying that life isn't
always fair and justice doesn't always prevail, particularly when any two
people can almost always disagree about what is "fair" and "just" in the
first place. It's easy to see how a racetrack-related insurance claim under
a personal auto policy might automatically raise a "red flag" with a claims
adjuster who has utterly no knowledge of club events. It's just not
something they see every day. It's so very unusual from their perspective,
the initial reaction might be, naturally, to question coverage.
Accordingly, even though I think that my personal auto insurer "should"
cover me when I participate in drivers ed, I must force myself to drive with
the mindset that my insurer may nevertheless deny coverage if I get in a
jam. So, I try to stay alert, drive carefully and smoothly, keep my distance
from other vehicles, and avoid getting into jams whenever possible. The
bottom line is that nobody is ever "guaranteed" to have personal insurance
coverage, not even at a BMW CCA authorized school. There are simply no
guarantees in life, only ways to maximize (or minimize) probable outcomes.
BMW CCA, Inc. strives to respect (and protect) what we believe is a stark
difference between "drivers education" and "club racing" programs. Whether
your personal insurer will similarly appreciate and respect that
distinction, and whether your insurer will actually cover you in connection
with a DE incident, are matters solely between each of you and your personal
insurers.

Al Buchanan

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 16:23:25 -0600
From: "Ben White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] BMW CCA Driving Events (was Insurance, again)

Al,
   Your post was very well stated and I completely concur.  I would add that
I have also participated in Skip Barber and Bob Bondiurant schools that were
designed (and described as) either 'defensive driving' or 'high performance'
schools that had absolutely nothing to do with racing.  I don't see how an
insurance company could legitimately refuse to cover participation in a
school designed to improve driving skills.  I certainly think that these
schools along with CCA schools have made me a better driver, i.e. better
able to protect myself from less skilled, less attentive drivers.  Just my
opinion...
            Ben White/Ocean Springs, MS
- - ----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Buchanan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 3:04 PM
Subject: [uuc] BMW CCA Driving Events (was Insurance, again)


> The question appears to be:  Is personal insurance coverage for driver
> education events excluded (under the quoted policy language), merely
because
> the participant's subjective intention is to "practice or prepare for" a
> "prearranged or organized" racing or speed contest?
>
> At most, in my view, it's only "excluded" in the metaphysical sense. It's
> like arguing that a 16-year old who is learning how to drive should have
no
> insurance coverage for the rest of his life, simply because he aspires to
> apply those driving skills as a professional racer some day when he grows
> up. Taking the argument to this extreme (albeit necessary) conclusion
> demonstrates its fallacy. The connection between the activity resulting in
a
> claim and the excluded activity is just too tenuous. So if my own policy
was
> written like the one quoted below, and I had a claim arising from a BMW
CCA
> Driving Event, I would certainly expect my insurer to cover it. And I
would
> expect a court would likely agree with me, in the event that my insurer
> refused to cover and I decided it was worthwhile to litigate. (Whether I
> would actually submit and pursue the claim in this market, at the risk of
> drastic premium increases and potential non-renewal, is another issue
> entirely.) If my insurer wanted to exclude "driver education" events, I
> would expect that exclusion to be spelled out clearly and unambiguously in
> the policy.
>
> Of course, if something called "driver ed" takes place in close temporal
and
> physical proximity to an actual race (e.g., same track/ same day),
consists
> exclusively of racing participants, is timed, and has few rules and lacks
> formal instruction... the question becomes much closer. In that instance,
an
> insurer might legitimately question whether the event is actually "race
> preparation" masquerading as a "driver school." But that is not how BMW
> CCA - authorized Driving Events are conducted.
>
> The foregoing represents only my personal view if I was in this situation.
> However, as a volunteer risk manager for BMW CCA, Inc., I can say that our
> organization carefully delineates a detailed protocol for true "driving
> schools" and disclaims any affiliation with or sponsorship of ambiguous
> events such as "hot laps," "lapping days," etc. Participants who enter
> authorized BMW CCA Driving Events (as well as their insurers) should feel
> confident that BMW CCA, Inc. does not view these events as "races" or even
> "preparation" for racing. Our view is: if you want to race, there is a
> program for you and it's called "Club Racing"- not "driver education."
>
> Al Buchanan
> Risk Manager/ Legal Counsel
> BMW CCA, Inc.
>
> ------------------------------
>

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 18:19:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] e28 Transmission Selector Shaft Broke Off!

Brad:

I'm sorry for your misfortune.  You say these were new
parts, but surely it was a used transmission?  Perhaps
the used tranny selector shaft was knocked hard during
transport and developed a crack.  Or, did it mount at
an angle were it was hitting the DS or something?

At any rate, it should be easy enough to fix or you
simply get another G260 tranny for a couple of hundred
bucks.  Not much consolation now, I know, but at least
it is not the G265 or G280!

Neil Deshpande

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Brad Couvillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Someone tell me what's wrong with these pictures. . .

http://www.fatdaddybmw.com/tranny/images/trannyswap335.jpg

http://www.fatdaddybmw.com/tranny/images/trannyswap336.jpg

http://www.fatdaddybmw.com/tranny/images/trannyswap337.jpg

http://www.fatdaddybmw.com/tranny/images/trannyswap338.jpg

I'll explain later.  Right now, I just need to sit
here and calm down.  What confuses me is that these
were all new parts.

Brad "Not Shiftin' Anymore" Couvillon
'87 528e
www.fatdaddybmw.com

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 18:29:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Brad Couvillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] e28 Transmission Selector Shaft Broke Off!

Gruppe,

Here's the deal.  I have a 260/5 tranny.  What I need
is the Shifting Shaft.

I got an e-mail that told me it was called the
Shifting Shaft in the ETK and was part number 23 31 1
224 388 and is ~$90 new.  I confirmed this by browsing
my own ETK (for those of you with ETKs, pull up a 1/85
528e manual, go to Manual Transmission, select diagram
23_0203, and look at #1).

Here're two pics of it in the ETK.  The first pic is a
closeup with the part that broke off highlighted while
the second is the location of it on the diagram with
the whole shaft highlighted:

http://www.fatdaddybmw.com/tranny/images/shiftingshaft01.jpg

http://www.fatdaddybmw.com/tranny/images/shiftingshaft02.jpg

Here're some pics of what's left of mine and how it is
attached to the lower selector rod:

http://www.fatdaddybmw.com/tranny/images/trannyswap340.jpg

http://www.fatdaddybmw.com/tranny/images/trannyswap341.jpg

http://www.fatdaddybmw.com/tranny/images/trannyswap342.jpg

*sigh* at least I know what I need now.

Someone on the Roadfly e28 board says he has a spare
260/5.  If he can get the shaft out in a timely
fashion, I may be able to get started on this pretty
soon.

Brad "Shifty" Couvillon
'87 528e






- --- Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Brad:
> 
> I'm sorry for your misfortune.  You say these were
> new
> parts, but surely it was a used transmission? 
> Perhaps
> the used tranny selector shaft was knocked hard
> during
> transport and developed a crack.  Or, did it mount
> at
> an angle were it was hitting the DS or something?
> 
> At any rate, it should be easy enough to fix or you
> simply get another G260 tranny for a couple of
> hundred
> bucks.  Not much consolation now, I know, but at
> least
> it is not the G265 or G280!
> 
> Neil Deshpande

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