[uucdigest] Monday, January 27 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6060
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Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] Torque for wheel bolts Re: [uuc] <E36> wheel fitment, 96 vs 92 Re: [uuc] Shop for pre-purchase inspection in New Jersey RE: [uuc] E36 Hood Release RE: [uuc] <E36> wheel fitment, 96 vs 92 Re: [uuc] Seeking Ride/Handling Input for Friend's E39 [uuc] RE: 325iS will not start RE: [uuc] Seeking Ride/Handling Input for Friend's E39 [uuc] RE: Best Tool Re: [uuc] Seeking Ride/Handling Input for Friend's E39 RE: [uuc] <E36> wheel fitment, 96 vs 92 RE:[uuc] Windows fog up on E34 M5 RE: [uuc] Seeking Ride/Handling Input for Friend's E39 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:56:32 -0500 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Torque for wheel bolts This may seem obvious to most of you but I figured someone here may benefit. I have taken my lug bolts over to my bench grinder which has a wire wheel mounted on one side. I then clean all the threads and taper with the wire wheel. This alone makes a huge difference on the smoothness of the threads and properly torquing them. I then wipe the threads very lightly with anti-seize (so there is a light film and nothing more) before reinstalling. I torque to 60 - 70 ft. lbs which has felt about right. But, my arm isn't calibrated as well as Gary D. I have yet to have a lug nut fall out, break or over stretch to my knowledge :-) Later, Rich PS - the wire wheel on a bench grinder set-up idea I stole from Brett at KoalaMotorsport. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 13:34:29 -0500 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <E36> wheel fitment, 96 vs 92 Technically, you are correct. The 'fitment' is the same. I really thought he wanted to know: "Will any E36 wheel fit any E36 car and then drive down the road without new grinding or dragging noises?" So, to answer what I understood to be the spirit of the original question: YES (but...) N. Jay not used to having people more literal than he in the 'room'... > Make that ALL E36 wheels are interchangeable: 5x120, ET mid 30s-low 40s, > 72.5mm hub bore. > It only gets tricky when you try to mount smaller diameter wheels on M3 > where brake caliper clearance becomes an issue. > To answer the original question: YES. > > alex f > > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote: > > For all NON-M E36 cars, I believe the answer is yes. > > N. Jay > > > > > > > > Is wheel fitment the same for all E36 cars? Specifically, will > > > something that fits a 96 328 fit a 92 325? > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > - k ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:37:54 -0800 (PST) From: kw yeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Shop for pre-purchase inspection in New Jersey Any recommendation for independent repair for pre-purchase inspection? Thanks a bunch! Will __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 13:42:58 -0500 From: "Olsen, Mike (Morse TEC Ithaca)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] E36 Hood Release Neil, I have no E36 experience, but have had this happen on others in the past. I'd recommend you first get up under the dash and verify whether the cable is connected to the release handle or not. If it's separated at the handle, you may be able to use pliers to pull the cable end and get the hood open. Having someone push down on the center of the hood may release the tension some to make it easier. If the cable's broken on the other end, I've had luck before to pull the front grilles and get to the mechanism from the front of the vehicle. Once again, having somebody push down on the hood should help you to get the release pulled. Having access to another E36 that you can inspect to know what to feel around for will help. HTH. - -Mike Olsen Original: ...For some time my hood release lever has been rather stiff and hard to operate. Now something has apparently pulled loose, and the handle just flops. I assume that the cable has pulled free at one end or the other... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 13:51:19 -0500 From: "Matt Malfa * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] <E36> wheel fitment, 96 vs 92 The one caveat that hasn't been discussed is the lack of the steering lock limiter on 1992 E36s. This should be added for fitment of wheels wider than 7", IIRC. The part number I have for this is 32 11 1 140 464, but check with your local dealer to be safe. - - -Matt, former 92 E36 owner - -----Original Message----- Technically, you are correct. The 'fitment' is the same. I really thought he wanted to know: "Will any E36 wheel fit any E36 car and then drive down the road without new grinding or dragging noises?" So, to answer what I understood to be the spirit of the original question: YES (but...) N. Jay not used to having people more literal than he in the 'room'... > Make that ALL E36 wheels are interchangeable: 5x120, ET mid 30s-low 40s, > 72.5mm hub bore. > It only gets tricky when you try to mount smaller diameter wheels on M3 > where brake caliper clearance becomes an issue. > To answer the original question: YES. > > alex f ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:01:28 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] Seeking Ride/Handling Input for Friend's E39 Depends on height. A 5'-6" passenger would have no problem. Someone over 6' would have had to duck. Other, non-BMW cars which I've seen after rollovers like that have come out a lot worse than my friend's car did. I'm still impressed. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA >Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:58:09 -0500 (EST) >From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [uuc] Seeking Ride/Handling Input for Friend's E39 > ><snip> > >(The roof was flattened pretty well<BR>on the passenger side. He >climbed out the window without a scratch.<BR>Dontcha just love >BMW's structural integrity? > >I'm sure glad your friend is OK, but I'm not sure what it says >about BMW's structural integrity: what if he had had a passenger? > >- - John S. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:14:26 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] RE: 325iS will not start Russ shares with us his E30 problem: >Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:37:46 -0500 >From: "Gardner, Russell - BALTO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [uuc] RE: 325iS will not start > >My 1987 325iS is makin' me crazy! It wouldn't start in our recent cold snap >(no surprise there), and my wife ground the battery down in frustration. >Today its a little warmer, and I jump the battery. Engine turns fine, >plenty of juice, but no fire at all. Finally we have ignition after I >cranked it for maybe 30 seconds, ran rough for a few minutes, smoothed out, >idled okay, then died. When I tried to restart, it just crank, no fire. >Fuel? Ignition? Why? > >Russ Gardner Most of us here were already crazy before buying our BMWs. But anyway, here are some things to check. Having a Bentley manual would help in diagnosis and repair. Fuel pump Fuel pump relay Main relay Crankshaft position sensor (front of engine) Coolant temp sensor Idle control valve (try starting with half throttle - foot on gas pedal - if it starts, check the ICV first) Also, check for vacuum leaks. Are you getting a check engine light? If so, do the stomp test and read the codes. Neil D pointed you to the site where you can translate the codes into something vaguely resembling English. Good luck tracking this down. Robert added: >Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:00:29 -0600 >From: Robert Phelan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [uuc] RE: 325iS will not start > >Quick and easy checks. > >1. Check you plugs. Are they old? Replace em. While you're at it >consider cap and rotor. >2. Check the operation of your cold start fuel injector. (Bently >says take it out of manifold and aim it into a cup. > >I'm sure more knowledgable types will give you some better answers, >but these are easy ones to rule out. > >Robert The U.S. 1987 325is does not have a cold start injector. Cold starting is controlled entirely by the ECU through the ICV and the injectors. The cap and rotor suggestion is a good one. Pulling the plugs would at least let you read them for rich/lean conditions or fouling. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA 1990 325i ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:16:28 -0500 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Seeking Ride/Handling Input for Friend's E39 I had the mis-fortune of putting my 96 G20t on it's roof. I was very impressed. That car had resin-injected A/B/C pillars. The pillars deformed almost none.....I'm still really impressed today how safe that car was, especially based on it's size. And to think, I almost bought an early Sentra SE-R because it was cheaper. Just proves, there's no price on engineering..... Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 2:01 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [uuc] Seeking Ride/Handling Input for Friend's E39 > > > Depends on height. A 5'-6" passenger would have no problem. > Someone over > 6' would have had to duck. > > Other, non-BMW cars which I've seen after rollovers like that > have come out > a lot worse than my friend's car did. I'm still impressed. > > Scott Miller > GGC BMW CCA > > >Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:58:09 -0500 (EST) > >From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: [uuc] Seeking Ride/Handling Input for Friend's E39 > > > ><snip> > > > >(The roof was flattened pretty well<BR>on the passenger side. He > >climbed out the window without a scratch.<BR>Dontcha just love > >BMW's structural integrity? > > > >I'm sure glad your friend is OK, but I'm not sure what it says > >about BMW's structural integrity: what if he had had a passenger? > > > >- - John S. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:23:08 -0800 From: "KKiely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: Best Tool Guys, The original thread was a comment about the "universal strut" tool which removes the nut from the strut while holding the strut shaft..... but this tangent is a good one as the harbor freight spring compressor also leaves much to be desired. The threads are showing wear (shavings) after only two springs. They're now slathered with a good dose of moly bearing lube. The universal strut "nut" tool wasn't applicable because for the E23 the strut nut was about 27mm and the shaft top was a 12mm( or was it 11?) neither of which was supported on the tool. - -Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:29:23 -0500 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Seeking Ride/Handling Input for Friend's E39 "Robinson, Lee" wrote: > I had the mis-fortune of putting my 96 G20t on it's roof. I was very > impressed. That car had resin-injected A/B/C pillars. The pillars deformed > almost none can you be certain that the resin in the pillars was actually structural, rather than being acoustic ? I'd think that Nissan/Infiniti would have added foam to as many places as they could to quiet things down. it's really amazing how much quieter $50 worth of strategically placed foam will make a vehicle. I noticed a very complicated mirror gimp/gasket on a disassembled X5 I saw over the weekend. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:29:06 -0500 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] <E36> wheel fitment, 96 vs 92 Matt brings to light yet another issue I had hidden in my "(but...)". Let the wise 'cracks' commence... ;-) N. Jay > The one caveat that hasn't been discussed is the lack of the steering lock > limiter on 1992 E36s. This should be added for fitment of wheels wider than > 7", IIRC. > > The part number I have for this is 32 11 1 140 464, but check with your > local dealer to be safe. > > - -Matt, former 92 E36 owner > > -----Original Message----- > Technically, you are correct. The 'fitment' is the same. > > I really thought he wanted to know: "Will any E36 wheel fit any E36 car > and then drive down the road without new grinding or dragging noises?" > > So, to answer what I understood to be the spirit of the original > question: YES (but...) > > N. Jay > not used to having people more literal than he in the 'room'... > > > Make that ALL E36 wheels are interchangeable: 5x120, ET mid 30s-low > 40s, > > 72.5mm hub bore. > > It only gets tricky when you try to mount smaller diameter wheels on > M3 > > where brake caliper clearance becomes an issue. > > To answer the original question: YES. > > > > alex f > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:35:03 -0500 From: "Jason O'Dell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE:[uuc] Windows fog up on E34 M5 Check for sunroof leaks. Under rear seat may be a good spot. Check the drains too, using a cable to run down the drains works well for me. Jason _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:46:21 -0500 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Seeking Ride/Handling Input for Friend's E39 I was told the point of the resin was to stiffen the chassis. Remember, the early G20's shared roots with a Sentra. The Sentra chassis were a little to flimsy to provide driving dynamics to match the more expensive cars from BMW, Saab, MB....That was a great little car, truly one of those that was much more than the sum of it's parts. Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: ben keyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 2:29 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [uuc] Seeking Ride/Handling Input for Friend's E39 > > > "Robinson, Lee" wrote: > > > I had the mis-fortune of putting my 96 G20t on it's roof. > I was very > > impressed. That car had resin-injected A/B/C pillars. The > pillars deformed > > almost none > > can you be certain that the resin in the pillars was actually > structural, > rather than being acoustic ? > > I'd think that Nissan/Infiniti would have added foam to as many > places as they could to quiet things down. it's really amazing how > much quieter $50 worth of strategically placed foam will > make a vehicle. > > I noticed a very complicated mirror gimp/gasket on a disassembled > X5 I saw over the weekend. > > > > Ben > ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6060 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . 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