[uucdigest] Monday, February 3 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6085
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PLease respond to me not BB Re: [uuc] '00 240HP vs '01 315HP Engines - Mod's and Limitations [uuc] Re: Fuerst Choice Auto Repair (was Old Laing's Eye) [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] V3 #6084 Re: [uuc] DOT 5 Braking Fluid Re: [uuc] '00 M Roadster Questions [uuc] <OT> Silicone brake fluid/military @ South Pole RE: [uuc] <OT> Silicone brake fluid/military @ South Pole [uuc] 6 throttle conversions for the 240 hp //Motor? Re: [uuc] 6 throttle conversions for the 240 hp //Motor? [uuc] Feb Roundel 5er Fest write-up RE: [uuc] 6 throttle conversions for the 240 hp //Motor? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 09:32:22 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Source of noise elusive Some of you may remember (or if you're lucky you've forgotten) that I had a noise that took a while to track down. At one point I had my friend Bill (hi Bill) ride along on a test drive and we tried all kinds of things to isolate the noise. At one point Bill said it was coming from the back, and I said it was coming from the front. Or was it the other way around? Anyway, eventually I isolated the noise to the right front wheel bearing. Upon replacement, the car ran much more quietly, so I thought the operation was a success. But here I am weeks later and there is still a noise. It is not as loud as before, but it is sililar in nature. It does not get louder or softer in turns (which the front wheel bearing did). And it sure sounded to me like it was coming from the back. This weekend I put the front up on jack stands and rotated the wheels while listening and feeling with fingers on springs. Nothing unusual that I could tell, so I lowered the front. Then I put the back up on jack stands, started the engine and drove it up throught the gears. And there was the noise. So I'm guessing it is diff-related. Gears? Bearings? Any better diagnostic methods out there? Or should I just keep driving until it get worse so I can further isolate it? That worked well with the front. And Bill, now we know why we heard noises from both the front AND back. TIA, Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA 1990 325i ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 12:38:27 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] NEED CARFAX RUN!!!!!! PLease respond to me not BB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 12:09:09 -0600 From: Jay Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] '00 240HP vs '01 315HP Engines - Mod's and Limitations There will be more to come! marco wrote: > proverally? > > Marco > likes to learn one new word a day > > Jay Quinn wrote: > > You say so much faster as though the E46 can pass it like it's painted on the > > road. Surely it's not that more proverally faster. I would think that > > HP/Torque improvements alone could make it an even match in a straight line... > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 10:16:19 -0800 From: "KKiely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Fuerst Choice Auto Repair (was Old Laing's Eye) "old Laing's Eye"???? The myth begins it's magical journey. - -Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 13:38:19 -0500 From: Bill Ballon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] V3 #6084 At 12:26 PM 2/3/03 -0500, Stan wrote: >Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 12:23:50 -0500 >From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [uuc] DOT 5 Braking Fluid Stan, Silicone fluid was developed for the Military. For storing trucks and tanks in cold environments such as the South pole where they are stored I know of nobody who uses Dot 5 for racing. It is very compressible and is not appropriate for racing. Dot 5.1 fluids such as Motul synthetic 5.1 is very appropriate for racing use. Again, it is synthetic and not silicone based. >My understanding of silicon based DOT 5 fluid is that it is used exclusively >for certain special applications and for racing. With the improvement in >the boiling resistance of Dot 4 fluid, Dot 5 is used less in racing. I >doubt there are many if any BMW Club Racers who use DOT 5. > >And just to make the whole thing moot ... I would agree with you on that. >I can't possibly imagine any mechanic putting DOT 5 silicon based fluid in a >street car -- except by customer request, major mistake, or serious >cluelessness. But maybe there is something I don't know. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 13:46:19 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] DOT 5 Braking Fluid DOT 5 is not THAT bad. Its good for garage queens and show cars. DOT 5.1 is good for high performance use. Gary Derian > My understanding of silicon based DOT 5 fluid is that it is used exclusively > for certain special applications and for racing. With the improvement in > the boiling resistance of Dot 4 fluid, Dot 5 is used less in racing. I > doubt there are many if any BMW Club Racers who use DOT 5. > > And just to make the whole thing moot ... > I can't possibly imagine any mechanic putting DOT 5 silicon based fluid in a > street car -- except by customer request, major mistake, or serious > cluelessness. But maybe there is something I don't know. > > Stan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 15:11:46 -0500 From: Thomas Philip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] '00 M Roadster Questions On Monday, Feb 3, 2003, at 12:19 US/Eastern, Dorffer, Rich wrote: > Tom says > >> The Gary Hansel mirror adapter is a great help. The smaller mirror >> really improves visibility to the front right quarter if you are more >> than 5' 8" tall. > > Where can you get it? I have tried to contact Gary to no avail. The results of a quick google: <http://www.z3mirrors.com/> I've never tried to order one as I don't have a Z3. tom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 14:09:06 -0600 From: Sean Cordone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <OT> Silicone brake fluid/military @ South Pole Minor (but important) point: In accordance with international treaties, no weaponry is kept on the Antarctic continent (besides, tanks at the SP would have no one to attack but a bunch of scientists.) The military does provide airlift and supply functions; transportation equipment is subject to very harsh temperatures when supplying/transporting scientific personnel - but no tanks. - --SC - --(see http://topweb.gsfc.nasa.gov/ for info on our experiment that was launched from Antarctica.) Bill Ballon wrote: > Silicone fluid was developed for the Military. For storing trucks and > tanks in cold environments such as the South pole where they are stored ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 13:05:15 -0800 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] <OT> Silicone brake fluid/military @ South Pole Yeah, but the steppes of Russia get pretty darn cold. Ask Napoleon and Hitler ;-) Marco - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sean Cordone Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 12:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] <OT> Silicone brake fluid/military @ South Pole Minor (but important) point: In accordance with international treaties, no weaponry is kept on the Antarctic continent (besides, tanks at the SP would have no one to attack but a bunch of scientists.) The military does provide airlift and supply functions; transportation equipment is subject to very harsh temperatures when supplying/transporting scientific personnel - but no tanks. - --SC - --(see http://topweb.gsfc.nasa.gov/ for info on our experiment that was launched from Antarctica.) Bill Ballon wrote: > Silicone fluid was developed for the Military. For storing trucks and > tanks in cold environments such as the South pole where they are stored ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 13:30:24 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] 6 throttle conversions for the 240 hp //Motor? 240 hp. with intake from 6 throttle 3xx hp //Motor. So far the discussion had been comparing apples and oranges, single throttle versus 6 throttle. What about the genetic crossbreed that some people are putting on their engines? Could there be a nice middle ground that would make our lighter E36 as fast as the heavier more powerful E46? What kind of torque and horsepower results from the 6 throttle intake conversions that are available for the 240hp version? Might the power band continue increasing up to a conservative 6750 redline? Assume a Euro HFM with correct injectors and fuel pressure regulator are installed with it. Does the Euro fuel pressure regulator install to the fuel rail the same as the US spec one? What pressure does it run? I see BMP sells a lot of these conversions, anyone have a rear wheel dyno test of such a setup? Would a 25% increase, or up to about 300hp and 290 pounds of torque, be a realistic minimum guess? This percentage is consistent with converting, for example, sidedrafts on a 2002, Alpina injection on a tii, or the 80's //M5/6 versus the big block 3.5. This would be nearly as much improvement, half the cost , with considerably greater reliability and engine life, than putting on a blower. What are the other internal differences between the 6 throttle versus single throttle //Motors? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 16:59:34 -0500 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] 6 throttle conversions for the 240 hp //Motor? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > 240 hp. with intake from 6 throttle 3xx hp //Motor. I see this as a huge waste of money & massive amount of added work for minimal benefit. just buy the complete euro motor for $7k, then sell the US motor for $3-4k & be done with it. you're going to have to take the motor out of the car, but other than that the job isn't going to be much harder & it's a factory application rather than some cobbled together conversion. Ben S50 B30 E30 S52 B32 E30 S38 B35 E28 13 throttle bodies, no waiting :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:22:14 -0800 (PST) From: Brad Couvillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Feb Roundel 5er Fest write-up This information being mentioned on the E30 list made me go ahead and post it on this list, too : -) 5er Fest 2002 -- which was an e12/e28-only event in October of last year -- finally made the Roundel this month. The write-up was done and the pictures were taken by Shawn Doughtie, owner of an '85 535i. All of us met on the Roadfly e28 board and the mye28.com board, and it was absolutely wonderful to meet all of the guys whose cars I had seen but faces I hadn't. If you missed this issue of Roundel, you can read the article online here: http://www.mye28.com/5erfest/article/ The highlight of 5er Fest and the article in Roundel for me was, of course, the Duke vs. Brad footrace. : - -) To see how the race got started: http://bimmer.roadfly.org/e28/messages/archive/msgsy2002w06/99440.html You can see more pictures of the event, including a video of how badly I beat Duke (too bad he's not on this list for me to talk smack to him) on the official 5er Fest 2002 website: http://www.fatdaddybmw.com/5erfest/2002 This year's 5er Fest will be held on the weekend of August 15 - 17 in Spartanburg, SC. We're in the very preliminary stages of planning, but if you're an e12 or e28 owner and are interested in attending, surf on over to this year's site: http://www.fatdaddybmw.com/5erfest No matter where you're located in the US, there will be SOMEONE coming from that area; there are California guys that vow they'll never miss a 5er Fest, including this year's which is thousands of miles away from their home! Thanks for the bandwidth! Brad "Shifty" Couvillon '87 528e <-- hopefully fixed this week www.fatdaddybmw.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 17:16:46 -0500 From: "Matt Malfa * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] 6 throttle conversions for the 240 hp //Motor? Most people approach the concept of dual throttle bodies for the US S50/S52 the wrong way; you cannot base your expectations on the S50B30 and S50B32 Euro motors, as they share little in the way of block or head architecture with their US counterparts. I can't imagine where you came up with a number like 290ft-lb. The high and mighty S54 comes no where near that. Instead, let's compare your M10 and M30 examples to the 100hp/liter you are hoping to get out of a US 3.0 S50... How easy is it to get 200hp out of an M10 with NO internal engine work, i.e. stock compression, stock cam? How about 350hp out of an M30, again without opening the engine? Now consider that an intake, 3.5" HFM and cat-back exhaust has been shown to yield as much as 40rwhp* on a 1995 M3. Combined with a properly designed header/collector system, you have nearly achieved that magic 300hp. All while using that low-tech single throttle body. Please note that I am not interested in getting into an argument. I am also not interested in discouraging anyone from experimenting with a multiple throttle intake. I just think it is important to recognize the law of diminishing returns, and to clearly identify your goals - is it the 100hp/L, or do you just want those sexy throttle bodies? The package you described already included a larger HFM, larger injectors, and altered fuel pressure. These aren't dirt cheap items to start with, but they pale compared to the cost of the multiple throttle intakes that are commercially available. Even camshafts would be a more financially viable avenue. Beyond that, I would tend to agree with Ben, although buying someone else's (ab)used and expensive engine sight-unseen from another continent is not my idea of fun. Then consider that US motors are damn reliable, and don't require valve adjustments, or specially trained techs to work on them... and you want to pay lots of money for the privilege of giving all that up? My $.02. - - -Matt S50USB30 S54B32 *This number is based on my own first hand experience, with dyno sheets and witnesses. If you don't agree, I don't want to hear about it. Really. - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 240 hp. with intake from 6 throttle 3xx hp //Motor. Would a 25% increase, or up to about 300hp and 290 pounds of torque, be a realistic minimum guess? ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6085 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . 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