[uucdigest] Thursday, February 27 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6155
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Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: [uuc] re: Mystery Part RE: [uuc] E34 525 alignment and steering stuff [uuc] Re: Road A [uuc] re: wheel alignment Re: [uuc] Consider this before you go to Road Atlanta Re: [uuc] Re: Latest in Custom Gauge Faces> RE: [uuc] Consider this before you go to Road Atlanta [uuc] Consider this before you go to Atlanta Re: [uuc] Consider this before you go to Road Atlanta Re: [uuc] Consider this before you go to Road Atlanta [uuc] Looking for coilover springs Re: [uuc] Consider this before you go to Road Atlanta ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:24:29 -0800 From: jkerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] re: Mystery Part re: Mystery Part: 'jk sees a partial roof clip. I see a side view mirror, and the sunroof roof. Its from an 850, after the Jaws of Life got done with it. - ---------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:25:46 -0800 From: "Brant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] E34 525 alignment and steering stuff Roland - An alignment on an E-34 is either only setting the toe or it is changing parts, as toe is the only adjustable item. The question you want to ask your alternative source is: will he properly weight the car prior to performing the alignment. If so, if he owns competent equipment, and if he is generally competent, there would be no advantage to paying more at a dealer. <<<<<<Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:32:29 -0500 From: "Beaudette, Roland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] E34 525 alignment and steering stuff I've got a dealership vs. independent question. The car needs an alignment following my steering linkage replacement. The local dealer wants 3x what another German marque shop wants. Is this a case of dealer overpricing or will an alignment at the dealer really be worth the price?. . . .>>>>>> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:09:06 -0500 From: "James Clay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Road A Seriously gang - wrecks do happen but you can avoid them. Bring the right attitude, listen to your instructor 100% AND DO WHAT THEY SAY. Cars that wreck in schools are usually disobeying some driving fundamentals (such as working up to limits slowly, doing an odd panic move, etc). Advanced students and instructors that wreck are usually pushing their limits very hard. As a beginner, your perceived limits are usually way below the car's limits. Listen and you will be fine until you have enough experience to realize how hard you are pushing the car. BTW, this does help on the street also. You will definitely be a better street driver. I haven't had one wreck on the street since I started doing track events and I am way more aware of what is going on, even though I am not focusing on it. James James Clay http://www.bimmerworld.com Engineered BMW Performance 540.639.9648 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:25:42 -0800 From: jkerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] re: wheel alignment re: wheel alignment There are two essential components for a good wheel alignment. 1. High quality equipment, periodically calibrated to insure its acuracy. 2. An alignnent operator who know's wtf_ they're doing. Many dealers sublet specials like alignments to local tire shops, and then charge the customer double or more the price. In California, state law requires the customer be advised and give consent for a sublet. Otherwise you don't have to pay. Also, that the original shop is still liable for the subletted work done. This is not a shameless plug for Dinan in CA or Body Motion in NJ. Both took the time to set my car up correctly, know that achieving that theoretical factory weighting is pure fantasy, and will align to realistic street settings they devise, or to custom specs you want. Both accomodated my request to set a performance alignment and paint index stripes on the front tie rods and rear camber eccentrics, then set the street alignment and paint indices there too. For that I paid extra, but to have a shop willing to do it, and do it accurately well justifies the cost. Btw, factory alignment specs are determined by the corporate lawyers as much as for optimizing street handling and tire wear. Same as those ludicrously low factory tire pressure specs. I once got in a lively conversation with a higher up at BMWNA, and he let slip out of his mouth, "you mean the lawyer's pressures?" The rear toe spec for the E36 is a 'lawyer's' spec that Dinan consider way too much in, and that's consistent with what other BMW specialty shops align to also. Anyway, for a precise alignment, I go with the car in the shape I usually drive it in. For instance choose how much weight you normally lug around, in the car, how much gas, etc, set cold tire pressures right before you go, and have it aligned that way. Seems 2 hours, or flat rate of about $200. (west coast) is what a good Dinan type alignment will cost you. If that seems steep, remember the cost of replacing prematurely worn out tires or spinning out without warning on the track. Btw, I also pay them $50. each to mount and balance a tire. At the occasional 140mph+ that Jack revs himself up to, their meticulous attitude gives me pefectly wiggle, wobble, shimmy free tires. Maybe a Wheel Works or Pep Boys could get it right most of the time but I'm not going to risk my life on it. If you doubt the meticulous nature of some of these high end shops, here's an example: occasionally Dinan send me a post card saying I haven't been in for a while and offers a free oil change and safety inspection. Each time I go, I turn my oil filler cap so the //M is upside down. When I get the car back, the //M is right side up. No trace of oil spills on the valve cover either. Also, with the second aligment settign they painted index stripes for, when I set the toe to that setting, the steering wheel is perfectly straight same as my street settings. ymmv, fwiw, imo, etc. 'jk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:35:05 -0500 From: "KMS - Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Consider this before you go to Road Atlanta Gotta love the comments from the, umm, people, on that board! "He should let one of us drive it for them, huh?" >From a pick up truck forum.......Yeah, there's a performance vehicle! - ----------------------------------------------------- BMW Special Tool Rentals Pay per incident tech support - ----------------------------------------------------- Brett Anderson KMS (440) 338 1650 www.koalamotorsport.com OSS committee member - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Nichols" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://www.f150online.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=107562 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:56:54 -0800 (PST) From: d seeley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Latest in Custom Gauge Faces> Dammit, Neil, now I have to mop coffee off the monitor! ROFL! Maybe I should get one of them high-tech computers for the distaff models. Ladies, start your nominations! Donna - -------Original Message------- From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 02/27/03 10:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: Latest in Custom Gauge Faces> > > on 2/27/03 11:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > What about gauges for the Donna Seeleys and the Kathy Lyles of the > world? So much more profit to be made, if they would just expand their > offerings. And just think what you could do with the gauge needles... Neil 96 M3 > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:01:21 -0500 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Consider this before you go to Road Atlanta Of course it would have been better if he'd let them drive it.......it would have never left the pits while those guys tried to figure out where "Drive" was...... > -----Original Message----- > From: KMS - Brett Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 3:35 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [uuc] Consider this before you go to Road Atlanta > > > Gotta love the comments from the, umm, people, on that board! > > "He should let one of us drive it for them, huh?" > > From a pick up truck forum.......Yeah, there's a performance vehicle! > > > ----------------------------------------------------- > BMW Special Tool Rentals > Pay per incident tech support > ----------------------------------------------------- > Brett Anderson > KMS > (440) 338 1650 > www.koalamotorsport.com > > OSS committee member > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Nichols" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > http://www.f150online.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=107562 > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:26:51 -0500 From: "Walter Fields" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Consider this before you go to Atlanta It's always a shame to see such a fine car destroyed in this way. But, IMHO, Road Atlanta has become a much more dangerous track to run than it used to be. Dangerous in that there are lots more things to hit than there uses to be. If you notice from the photos of the Lambo or from being there, the guy hit a wall that doesn't need to be where it is. Look at the area behind the wall and how far it is to the next wall or to the track. There used to be a big drop off there protected by an Armco barrier 5 or 6 feet off of the track edge. A similar slide would have been arrested much nearer the track edge and with much more 'give' that the new walls. But since the area has been filled in, a sand trap there, as are found elsewhere on the track, would be just as effective without the risk of a hard contact. There are several areas where the concrete walls have significantly reduced or essentially eliminated any reasonable safe run-off areas, even going down the back straight. I would love to know the number of incidents since the track was"improved" where cars hit walls that didn't used to be there. I know I've seen quite a few. Those changes, along with the elimination of the signature feature of the track, have just taken a lot of the fun out of it for me and others that have expressed the same concerns. It's highly unlikely that those concerns will change anything so it becomes an individual choice to keep racing there or not. Walter Fields 72 3.0 CS (Group 4 CSL replica) 73 3.0 CS (garage queen-FS) 85 745i (the real 745) 91 318is (wife's great little car) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:19:31 -0500 From: "mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Consider this before you go to Road Atlanta haha, true, but I am afraid that a SVT lightning, once broken in will smoke any BMW in a straight line or typical street driving save for a Mclaren F1. Neighbor has one and has knocked 13.0's with it. Pretty damn amazing for a truck. After driving it, the SVT handles quite well too, which amazed me. Mike - ----- Original Message ----- From: "KMS - Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [uuc] Consider this before you go to Road Atlanta > Gotta love the comments from the, umm, people, on that board! > > "He should let one of us drive it for them, huh?" > > >From a pick up truck forum.......Yeah, there's a performance vehicle! > > > ----------------------------------------------------- > BMW Special Tool Rentals > Pay per incident tech support > ----------------------------------------------------- > Brett Anderson > KMS > (440) 338 1650 > www.koalamotorsport.com > > OSS committee member > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Nichols" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > http://www.f150online.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=107562 > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:01:56 -0500 From: "KMS - Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Consider this before you go to Road Atlanta But we're talking race track here, not light to light riceboy drags. These idiots think, that because their truck will do 13 second 1/4 mile runs, that they can drive. Thankfully, we know better...... ;-) - ----------------------------------------------------- BMW Special Tool Rentals Pay per incident tech support - ----------------------------------------------------- Brett Anderson KMS (440) 338 1650 www.koalamotorsport.com OSS committee member - ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > haha, true, > but I am afraid that a SVT lightning, once broken in will smoke any BMW in a > straight line or typical street driving save for a Mclaren F1. > Neighbor has one and has knocked 13.0's with it. Pretty damn amazing for a > truck. > After driving it, the SVT handles quite well too, which amazed me. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:22:04 -0500 From: "Vern Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Looking for coilover springs Hello everyone, I'm looking for 6" long, 2.5" diameter coilover springs, preferably Eibach, 550#, also perhaps 600# rates. If you have any sitting around, let me know, I'd be interested for the right price. Thanks, Vern Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:02:16 -0500 From: "mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Consider this before you go to Road Atlanta O I agree, as with all lists, 90% is pure fluff I was just stating the truck itself is a very capable vehicle, in the right hands of course. Given equal drivers, it would be right there with most cars. Mike - ----- Original Message ----- From: "KMS - Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [uuc] Consider this before you go to Road Atlanta > But we're talking race track here, not light to light riceboy drags. > > These idiots think, that because their truck will do 13 second 1/4 mile runs, > that they can drive. > > Thankfully, we know better...... ;-) > > ----------------------------------------------------- > BMW Special Tool Rentals > Pay per incident tech support > ----------------------------------------------------- > Brett Anderson > KMS > (440) 338 1650 > www.koalamotorsport.com > > OSS committee member > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > haha, true, > > but I am afraid that a SVT lightning, once broken in will smoke any BMW in a > > straight line or typical street driving save for a Mclaren F1. > > Neighbor has one and has knocked 13.0's with it. Pretty damn amazing for a > > truck. > > After driving it, the SVT handles quite well too, which amazed me. > > > ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6155 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . BMW technical information, special tool sales/rental | http://www.koalamotorsport.com | |==================================================== | | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | UUC Motorwerks . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com |__________________________________________
