[uucdigest] Wednesday, March 5 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6173
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[uuc] <E28> will 17" wheels from an 89 5 series fit? [uuc] Need Siemens Specs [uuc] Re: Lightnings and your response Re: [uuc] Turning off Brake-Assist Re: [uuc] Re: Lightnings and other fast Fords Re: Re: [uuc] Re: Lightnings and other fast Fords ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:51:52 -0500 From: "Eurowerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Contemplating new tires: Pirelli, Yokohama or Kumho... You would be ecstatic if you went with the Kuhmo's. I have used the Ecsta Supra 712 with great success, awesome rain tire. Take a look a the new Kuhmo MX. I just bought a set for a customer and he likes them even more than the 712's. Kirk A. Gilchrist EURO-WERKS / Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Volvo Service and Repair 8 South Highland St. / Winchester, KY 40391 / 859-745-0125 [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 888-522-0271 toll free ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:04:07 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Lightnings and other fast Fords I'm sure there are many reasons, including small tortuous ports. Seems like a lot of complication. I suppose variable cam timing is a different sort of complication. Gary Derian > Low compression and less weak cam profiles/timing give it good fuel economy > and emissions, then the supercharger adds back the lost power. > ----------------------------------------------------- > BMW Special Tool Rentals > Pay per incident tech support > ----------------------------------------------------- > Brett Anderson > KMS > (440) 338 1650 > www.koalamotorsport.com > > OSS committee member > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > I wonder why a 4.6 liter 4 valve per cylinder engine needs a supercharger to > > make 390 hp. It should make that power without the supercharger. > > Gary Derian > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 10:08:17 -0500 From: ben keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Lightnings and other fast Fords KMS - Brett Anderson wrote: > Low compression and less weak cam profiles/timing give it good fuel economy > and emissions, then the supercharger adds back the lost power. after the 2001 Cobra power rating debacle I also wonder whether they haven't under-rated the engine to cover themselves. I'm sure that lots of owners have dyno'd their cars, I guess I could also go out & meet some of the people in the dyno lab here at the plant & ask them :-) it's a hand built engine, but somehow I don't think we put quite the same amount of money into the components as BMW does on say the M5's motor, which is similar size & power... Ben still learning his way around the plant, so much cool stuff to see... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:17:46 -0600 From: "John Van Houten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Lightnings and other fast Fords > it's a hand built engine, but somehow I don't think we put quite the same amount > of money into the components as BMW does on say the M5's motor, which is similar > size & power... I remember the article in C&D (may have been Autoweek) on the new Range Rover commented on how Ford pays BMW more for the 4.4 V8 in the RR than it costs to _build_ a Mustang. Granted, the engine likley inluded all the electronics, etc. and it was likely a base Mustang, but obviously very different cost levels. JVH ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:19:01 -0500 From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: Contemplating new tires: Pirelli, Yokohama or Kumho... Chris, I can't help you with the Yokohamas, but we recently replaced the Pirelli's on my wife's E36 M3 with Kumho Ecsta Supras. I purchased the Kumhos because of positive reviews on Tire Rack, my own good experiences with them on my P-car, and -- I won't lie to you -- PRICE. The Kumhos have worked very well for us in wet and dry, and although we haven't used them at all in the snow (none here in FL -- though I hear this is the Kumho's weakness), they do not get as slippery when cold as the Pirellis did. Depending on what you have as front tires, I'd recommending getting whatever is the closest match. In fact, I'd probably get four new cheap Kumhos rather than just two of a more expensive tire. Kevin Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:56:13 -0800 From: "Chris Marino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Contemplating new tires: Pirelli, Yokohama or Kumho... Group, I'm contemplating the purchase of three manufacturers to replace my two rear tires (255/35/18). Of the three below, does anyone have a particular favorite or rationale as to why one manufacturer would be better than the other. If it helps in the assessment, I do not track my car. Are any of these better in the rain than the others? Any help would be appreciated! Pirelli P7000 SUPERSPORT Yokohama AVS ES100 Kumho ECSTA Supra 712 Chris 89 M3 http://www.inlacal.com/m3/m3.htm 01 X5 http://www.inlacal.com/01x5/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:29:15 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Lightnings and other fast Fords That compares one companies cost vs another's price. BMW undoubtedly makes a tidy profit on the engines they sell to Ford. The Mustang cost is parts and labor only. Not a valid comparison at all. Gary Derian > I remember the article in C&D (may have been Autoweek) on the new Range Rover > commented on how Ford pays BMW more for the 4.4 V8 in the RR than it costs to > _build_ a Mustang. Granted, the engine likley inluded all the electronics, etc. > and it was likely a base Mustang, but obviously very different cost levels. > > JVH > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 11:01:55 -0500 From: "RAGS 535" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] RE: Contemplating new tires: Pirelli, Yokohama or Kumho... Chris; If you get bad weather(snow,ice),I'd lean toward the Yoks;better in bad weather than the Pirellis.I run the Kumhos in 235/45/17 here in Fla.,and for the price they are excellent,wet and dry,although I wouldn't use them on a drivers school car.After over a dozen BMWs and ALL kinds of tires,I was pleasantly surprised by how well the Kumhos did,considering their price.I've had them on about a year,now. RAGS/RA >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [uuc] RE: Contemplating new tires: Pirelli, Yokohama or Kumho... >Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:19:01 -0500 > >Chris, > >I can't help you with the Yokohamas, but we recently replaced the Pirelli's >on my wife's E36 M3 with Kumho Ecsta Supras. I purchased the Kumhos >because >of positive reviews on Tire Rack, my own good experiences with them on my >P-car, and -- I won't lie to you -- PRICE. The Kumhos have worked very >well >for us in wet and dry, and although we haven't used them at all in the snow >(none here in FL -- though I hear this is the Kumho's weakness), they do >not >get as slippery when cold as the Pirellis did. > >Depending on what you have as front tires, I'd recommending getting >whatever >is the closest match. In fact, I'd probably get four new cheap Kumhos >rather than just two of a more expensive tire. > >Kevin > > >Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:56:13 -0800 >From: "Chris Marino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [uuc] Contemplating new tires: Pirelli, Yokohama or Kumho... > >Group, > >I'm contemplating the purchase of three manufacturers to replace my two >rear tires (255/35/18). Of the three below, does anyone have a >particular favorite or rationale as to why one manufacturer would be >better than the other. If it helps in the assessment, I do not track my >car. Are any of these better in the rain than the others? > >Any help would be appreciated! > >Pirelli P7000 SUPERSPORT >Yokohama AVS ES100 >Kumho ECSTA Supra 712 > >Chris >89 M3 http://www.inlacal.com/m3/m3.htm >01 X5 http://www.inlacal.com/01x5/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:18:47 -0500 From: "Ron J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <E28> will 17" wheels from an 89 5 series fit? Hi All, Doing some wheel shopping for the car, and I was wondering if the 17" factory wheels off an 89 or newer 5 series will fit my car (85 535i) the bolt pattern should be the same as well as the centric hub, as far as I know. On top of that, does anyone have a deal on a nice set of wheels and tires near Toronto Canada? preferably 17" to fit my car of course. Cheers Ron J 85 535i 73 911s 2.7 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 09:20:55 -0700 From: Jason Briedis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Need Siemens Specs Is there any place I can get the specs on all of the siemens sensors used on the E46 3-Series, i.e. Injectors, AFM, Crank Sensor, Cam Sensor, Vanos Solenoid.. thanks, - -Jason ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 08:21:08 -0800 From: John Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Lightnings and your response > My original note first addressed the statement that Ford in OZ was > somehow not capable of building RHD vehicles. I said what I said to segue > to the more important issue of national safety/emissions "standards" and > the re-engineering sometimes required to meet such standards. True, but... The 3V 5.4 V8 used in the lesser Falcons is a US-spec engine, the 32V 5.4 was US-certified in the 2000 model year in very much the same form used in the Falcon GT, and I'm told most Australian Ford engine development is done in Dearborn. Most of BMW's engines are certified in one model or another in the US. What we don't get in the US these days are the low-end combinations (e.g. 520i, 730i) and diesels - of course, these models account for probably 80% of BMW's European sales. We certainly don't get as many trim, tire, etc. combinations as the Europeans do, and what we get tends to be in 'packages' instead of a la carte choices. John. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 08:27:36 -0800 From: "Bora Akyol (BMW)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Turning off Brake-Assist On 3/5/03 6:24 AM, "ben keyes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Bora Akyol (BMW)" wrote: > >> Does anyone know whether the brake-assist feature in new cars >> can be turned off? >> >> My street car has this feature and it is driving me CRAZY. > > IIRC you bought a C-class, right ? the corporate nannying strategy that > Mercedes has, I think the answer is that there's no easy way. short of > finding the fuses to pull, which would likely set fault codes and might > lose the ABS function as well, which you wouldn't want to do. > > > Ben > Yep, a c240 6speed. The car is great except the brake assist engages under hard braking which makes me look like a maniac since it locks up all four wheels in ABS mode. The stopping distances are great but you lose all modulation. What can I say, I should have bought another E30 M3. I just fell for all the modern luxuries in the car. I think the 95 M3 that I had before I sold it was the most electronics I could tolerate. It did not have traction control, just ABS and a delightful brake pedal. Bora ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:44:07 -0600 From: "John Van Houten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Lightnings and other fast Fords > That compares one companies cost vs another's price. BMW undoubtedly makes > a tidy profit on the engines they sell to Ford. The Mustang cost is parts > and labor only. Not a valid comparison at all. It wasn't meant to be an apples to apples comparison, just an interesting bit of trivia. Even at very high level of profit for BMW, the assumption that the BMW 4.4 costs much more than the Ford 4.6 is not a huge reach. jvh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 08:53:57 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Re: [uuc] Re: Lightnings and other fast Fords It doesn't. The naturally-aspirated 4-valve 4.6's were rated at 315hp so 390 should be easily attainable, but the knock on them has always been lack of low-end torque. I think Ford miscalculated when they introduced the 4.6 because their target market wasn't willing to trade big displacement low end for high RPM peak power numbers. Over the years they've addressed this, with even the 2-cam GT's now rated at 260hp and tuned for more torque. Ford didn't want to repeat their mistake of 1999 when the Cobra wasn't making the power advertised. With the positive displacement supercharger the '03s are significantly underrated at 390 and the torque curve is virtually flat, topping 300 ft-lb from about 2500 rpm on up. The bottom end on these motors is pretty stout and '03 Cobras are making 600+ rwhp with only bolt-on mods. As Mustangs have ever been (and hopefully shall ever be) these cars respond extremely well to modifications. Brian Daley - -------Original Message------- From: Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 03/05/03 09:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Lightnings and other fast Fords > > I wonder why a 4.6 liter 4 valve per cylinder engine needs a supercharger to make > 390 hp. It should make that power without the supercharger. Gary Derian ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6173 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . 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