[uucdigest] Wednesday, March 5 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6179
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Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: Re: [uuc] re: inexpensive helmets RE: [uuc] Reconstructing Ashley Bergman's fatal collision(formerly WA state to regulate racing schools) Re: [uuc] BMWs Getting Too Complicated (was <E34> Problem with a/c) [uuc] Re: BMWs Getting Too Complicated RE: [uuc] Reconstructing Ashley Bergman's fatal collision( formerly WA state to regulate racing schools) [uuc] RE: Contemplating new tires: Pirelli, Yokohama or Kumho... [uuc] Re: BMWs Getting Too Complicated [uuc] <wob> Re: BMWs Getting Too Complicated [uuc] Re: <wob> Re: BMWs Getting Too Complicated [uuc] Re: <wob> Re: BMWs Getting Too Complicated Re: [uuc] Re: Lightnings and other fast Fords ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 15:22:18 -0800 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] re: inexpensive helmets Dennis Liu at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Mark, so you've gotten a $800 nomex suit to protect yourself against being > trapped in a burning car. Tell me, do you have a fire supression system > installed? Wouldn't that also help protect you from burning to death? It's > not that much more expensive than a good driving suit, and better than just > having a fire extinguisher mounted in the passenger footwell. If you don't > have one, why did you draw the line at the suit but not the fire system? I have a fire system. > --Dennis (who wears his expensive helmet, nomex suit, nomex gloves, nomex > boots, nomex collar and six point belts in a street car with a fire > supression system -- but no racing seat, no roll bar/cage, and no HANS > device). 6-points and no roll bar? Well, good luck with that. The point is that, given a person's particular situation, there are places worth spending extra for safety and places not worth it. The helmet is always worth it. That's your 1st line of defense in every case. Don't agree? Good luck. I hope you never need it. - - Mark - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 15:29:25 -0800 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Reconstructing Ashley Bergman's fatal collision(formerly WA state to regulate racing schools) The deceleration during the Earnhardt crash was about 45mph in 80 milliseconds -->>> Comments on the accident from the investigative team of Dr. Dean Sicking and Dr. John Reid, professors at the University of Nebraska: At the time of the impact with the wall, the No. 3 car was traveling at approximately 157-160 mph. The car hit the wall at a heading angle of approximately 55-59 degrees. Its trajectory angle at the time of impact was approximately 13-14 degrees. The No. 3 car experienced a 'crash pulse' of approximately 80 milliseconds in duration. In other words, it was in deceleration for approximately 80 milliseconds. ... Its velocity changed by approximately 42-44 mph as a result of the wall impact. The heading angle, trajectory angle, crash pulse duration, lack of rotation and (velocity change) all made this a very severe impact. So if she hit the wall head on at 50mph and decelerated to 0 mph in a short period of time....... Marco - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Dadgar Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:48 PM To: BMW List Subject: Re: [uuc] Reconstructing Ashley Bergman's fatal collision(formerly WA state to regulate racing schools) I'm surprised that a 50 mph impact killed her, though. Sounds like the car could have used better safety equipment. - - Mark - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 15:32:34 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Hsu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] BMWs Getting Too Complicated (was <E34> Problem with a/c) I'm 20-something, and I'm into the high tech, digital, wireless, don't need to watch commercials anymore, depend on my computer to live, everything is online, kind of person. But, one thing I don't like is the automatic ventilation system on my last e36. What I ended up doing is just put the temp all the way down to 60, manually changed the fan speed and ac (don't need heat, I live in California). Mike - --- Gary Derian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Climate control? When I was your age I just stuffed > ice cubes in my shorts, > and we liked it that way. > > > Gary Derian > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 15:33:56 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: BMWs Getting Too Complicated Alex accuses me of opposing technological advances, forgetting to capitalize Luddite along the way: >Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 15:18:53 -0600 >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [uuc] BMWs Getting Too Complicated (was <E34> Problem with a/c) <snip> >OK, luddite, lets have some fun with your post ;-) <snip> >> Why does a car need a computer to control the AC? What is wrong with the >> old systems? > >Old systems did not support climate control. I have yet to meet a climate control system that I liked. They keep wanting to change the temperature of the air they're blowing. To me, sometimes the temp of the air coming out is more important than the temp of the air already in the cabin. OK, so maybe I'm in the minority. >> I'm all in favor of tech advances, I just don't see the point. See? Not a Luddite, just not in favor of technology when the result is a more complex system that does not satisfy my needs. But anyway, just let me know when the fun part starts. :^) Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:45:53 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [uuc] Reconstructing Ashley Bergman's fatal collision( formerly WA state to regulate racing schools) > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I'm surprised that a 50 mph impact killed her, though. Sounds like > > the car could have used better safety equipment. > "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > At the time of the impact with the wall, the No. 3 car was traveling at > approximately 157-160 mph. The car hit the wall at a heading angle of > approximately 55-59 degrees. Its trajectory angle at the time of impact was > approximately 13-14 degrees. The No. 3 car experienced a 'crash pulse' of > approximately 80 milliseconds in duration. In other words, it was in > deceleration for approximately 80 milliseconds. ... Its velocity changed by > approximately 42-44 mph as a result of the wall impact. The heading angle, > trajectory angle, crash pulse duration, lack of rotation and (velocity > change) all made this a very severe impact. > > So if she hit the wall head on at 50mph and decelerated to 0 mph in a > short period of time....... ....she should have survived. Unless she, or whomever prepared her car, was a subscriber to Earnhardt's approach to safety (wont happen to me). Earnhardt wore an open face helmet, sat too close to the steering wheel and had personally traded proper harness installation for 'comfort'. In the end his head hit the steering wheel and snapped his neck. alex f ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 18:49:11 -0500 From: "Carey Probst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: Contemplating new tires: Pirelli, Yokohama or Kumho... Don't expect any summer performance tire to be more than useless on ice and snow. If that's a concern plan on a second set of performance winter tires like the Bridgestone LM-22 or others from Michelin, etc. The AVS, ECSTA, and Pirelli are all designed for maximum summer dry traction and I don't think any are rated for winter traction. If snow/ice is not a problem then all are good. I would caution about mixing brands and tread patterns though. Not a good idea if you want the front and back to play nicely together. Carey Probst, '99 M3/2, BMW CCA Patroon and Genesee Valley Chapters JC CAIed and Sharked, Stressed, Schrothed, Gauged, Hitched, X-Braced >Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 22:56:13 -0800 >From: "Chris Marino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [uuc] Contemplating new tires: Pirelli, Yokohama or Kumho... > >Group, > >I'm contemplating the purchase of three manufacturers to replace my two >rear tires (255/35/18). Of the three below, does anyone have a >particular favorite or rationale as to why one manufacturer would be >better than the other. If it helps in the assessment, I do not track my >car. Are any of these better in the rain than the others? > >Any help would be appreciated! > >Pirelli P7000 SUPERSPORT >Yokohama AVS ES100 >Kumho ECSTA Supra 712 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:59:52 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: BMWs Getting Too Complicated [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Alex accuses me of opposing technological advances, Common, Scott, I was just yanking your chain ;-) > forgetting to capitalize Luddite along the way: Probably butchered a few punctuation marks as well... > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >OK, luddite, lets have some fun with your post ;-) > <snip> > >> Why does a car need a computer to control the AC? What is wrong > >> with the old systems? > > > >Old systems did not support climate control. > > I have yet to meet a climate control system that I liked. They > keep wanting to change the temperature of the air they're blowing. I kinda felt the same way you do about my '95 M3's HVAC. The only thing it had on the E30 were the interior temperature setting dials. Bid deal, right? I still had to adjust the airflow to quickly cool the car in the summer/heat it in the winter. Same as with E30. But my wife's '98 E36 HVAC has got it just about right. Mind you, sometimes I still turn climate control OFF and manually set the airflow to the minimum when I prefer a the quietness to perfect ambient temperature. An you know what, I can still do it. And my settings are preserved for the next time I start the car! If only the E36 HVAC controller was not so fragile... Oh, and the dual zone temperature settings had been fitting compared to pissing/no-pissing sections of a public pool. E46 did away with those. > To me, sometimes the temp of the air coming out is more important than > the temp of the air already in the cabin. OK, so maybe I'm in the minority. I think you need to go out and properly test drive a climate controlled car. > >> I'm all in favor of tech advances, I just don't see the point. > > See? Not a Luddite, just not in favor of technology when the result > is a more complex system that does not satisfy my needs. No problem. To each his own. > But anyway, just let me know when the fun part starts. :^) The butt massager and butt fans in the 7... I guess it takes a special kind of BMW owner to appreciate those features. Call me a BMW butt fondler Luddite. alex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 16:07:27 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] <wob> Re: BMWs Getting Too Complicated Alex, you're a BMW butt fondler Luddite. Well you said... never mind. But if you want you can call me an ignorant slut. Hey, it worked for Chevy Chase. Anyway, I'll refrain from knocking climate controls until I've tested one from a '98 or newer car. Of course, I probably won't own a car that new for another 7 or 8 years... Scott, cheap ass <snip> >Call me a BMW butt fondler Luddite. > >alex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 18:11:59 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: <wob> Re: BMWs Getting Too Complicated Scott, You are a cheap ass ignorant slut! ') By the time you buy a '98 car, its climate control will have bit the dust ;-) alex f [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Alex, you're a BMW butt fondler Luddite. > > Well you said... never mind. But if you want you can call me an ignorant > slut. Hey, it worked for Chevy Chase. > > Anyway, I'll refrain from knocking climate controls until I've tested one > from a '98 or newer car. Of course, I probably won't own a car that new > for another 7 or 8 years... > > Scott, cheap ass > > > <snip> > > >Call me a BMW butt fondler Luddite. > > > >alex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 16:14:20 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: <wob> Re: BMWs Getting Too Complicated Great! Then I'll get a better deal on the car, and I can retrofit the manual system from an old E30 and be perfectly happy! Scott Scott, You are a cheap ass ignorant slut! ') By the time you buy a '98 car, its climate control will have bit the dust ;-) alex f [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Alex, you're a BMW butt fondler Luddite. > > Well you said... never mind. But if you want you can call me an ignorant > slut. Hey, it worked for Chevy Chase. > > Anyway, I'll refrain from knocking climate controls until I've tested one > from a '98 or newer car. Of course, I probably won't own a car that new > for another 7 or 8 years... > > Scott, cheap ass > > > <snip> > > >Call me a BMW butt fondler Luddite. > > > >alex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 18:21:57 -0600 From: "Ben White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Lightnings and other fast Fords - ----- Original Message ----- "ben keyes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in part. <snip, snip>> I suspect that there are moves going on now to put the Jag 4.2l V8 into the RR for the middle models & some sort of Aston Martin-based V12 being figured for the top of the range ones. ___________-- Ben Keys, I either missed something that came earlier or don't under your abbreviation "RR". Are you talking about Rolls Royce? If so, why would BMW AG want to buy Jaguar engines from Ford? Best, Ben White/Ocean Springs, MS ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6179 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . BMW technical information, special tool sales/rental | http://www.koalamotorsport.com | |==================================================== | | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | UUC Motorwerks . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com |__________________________________________
