[uucdigest]          Thursday, March 6 2003          Volume 03 : Number 6187



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In this BMW UUC Digest:

       RE: [uuc] re:  inexpensive helmets
       RE: [uuc] RE: Lightenings and other Fast Fords
       [uuc] re: Dale's crash
       RE: [uuc] <wob> Re:  BMWs Getting Too Complicated
       Re: [uuc] WAS inexpensive helmets, NOW roll bars and harne
       Re: [uuc] Reconstructing Ashley Bergman's fatal collision( formerly WA state to 
regulate racing schools)
       RE: [uuc] E36 OBC upgrade?
       [uuc] limited slip final drives
       Re: [uuc] Play in quick-release steering
       [uuc] E28 Rear brake lights
       [uuc] Re: BMWs Getting Too Complicated
       [uuc] E46 STEERING WHEEL ON E30's?
       [uuc] Can Navigation Systems play DVD's?

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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 08:20:05 -0500 
From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [uuc] re:  inexpensive helmets

Especially since autocross is supposed to be a very safe, grassroots type of
motorsports.....

The SCCA rulebook used to refer to autocross as a skilled, competitive
driver's training event.....or some such....

Lee->$129 head.....
88 M3->wrapped in a $33k safety shell......

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis Liu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 5:48 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [uuc] re: inexpensive helmets
> 
> 
> jk wrote:
> 
> >re:  inexpensive helmets
> >There was a saying I heard when I went shopping for my first helmet.
> It was, "Cheap helmets for cheap heads."  I'm glad I listened.  Never
> tested my car helmet, but on the bike,when I got run down by 
> a car, I'm
> glad I had a top of the line Bell on my head instead of some $29.95
> bargain brand.
> __________________
> 
> JK, with all due respect, you're citing one isolated incident in your
> personal experience.  How exactly do you know that some $30 
> bargain brand
> helmet wouldn't have afforded you exactly the same level of 
> protection?
> 
> For the record, I wear a nice Arai Signet/e motorcycle helmet 
> (~$400) and
> just picked up an SA2000 Bell M2 (~$500) for track use.
> 
> BUT.  I question the old saying, "if you've got a $100 head, 
> wear a $100
> helmet".  If we all followed that clich�, we'd all be wearing
> top-of-the-line helmets, three-layer racing suits, HANS devices, nomex
> gloves, boots, balaclava, socks and underwear.  All of our 
> cars would have
> full roll cages and fire supression systems and 6 point FIA grade
> restraints.
> 
> Where do you draw the line?  Would you be better off buying a 
> $100 helmet
> instead of a $500 helmet, and use the $400 savings toward 
> better brake pads
> and fluid?  How about saving it and using it for a Skip Barber class?
> 
> Each and every one of us has to decide where to draw the 
> line, in terms of
> safety v. expense.
> 
> That's why we have standards, Snell standards in particular.  
> A $120 helmet
> that meets the Snell SA2000 standard should be nearly as safe 
> as a $500
> helmet; for all we know, it could be even safer.  Cost alone 
> is not a valid
> measure of safety.
> 
> Just my $.02
> 
> vty,
> 
> --Dennis (FWIW, I wear the "expensive" helmets solely because 
> they are the
> only one available that fit my large noggin.)
> 

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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 08:37:35 -0500 
From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [uuc] RE: Lightenings and other Fast Fords

LSD should amplify torque steer (and other sensations.....so I hear).  That
being said, torque steer is not that bad a trait as long as you understand
it is there.....Of course, torque steer is related to the amount of torque a
car makes.  It shouldn't be that bad in a MINI, even a cooperS.  Now a turbo
Saab.......

What an LSD does do in a FWD is prevent that inside front wheel from
completely peeling all of the tread of the tire when powering out of turns.
The Type-R intergra is a really good example of what a FWD car can do with a
limited slip.....I recantly drove the 3.2CL Type S.  The six speed version
has a helical LSD.  Torque steer is limited by nearly equal-length
half-shafts, but you can definitely feel it.  That being said, this car can
power out of even very tight corners better than any FWD car I've ever
driven, save the Type-R.  The Sentra Spec-V is the same, just with about 100
less hp......

There are always trade-offs in life, and in the end, I would prefer to have
an LSD in a performance oriented FWDer (or RWDer for that matter--hello
earth to BMW).  Remember the laws of physics & thermodynamics......somewhere
there's one that says you can't get something for nothing (1st law of
thermo--but that was many, many beers ago)....I think Rush said that once
too.

Lee

> -----Original Message-----
> From: KKiely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 6:14 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [uuc] RE: Lightenings and other Fast Fords
> 
> 
> John says:
> "There's now a Quaife listing for the (deutscher) Mini 
> Cooper, which makes
> it a tempting prospect.  I'll never own FWD again without a 
> limited-slip."
> 
> I'm curious, what does a limited slip (gear type or plate 
> type) do for torque
> steer?
> First thoughts are that it would make it worse?
> But then John implies FWD is better with.
> 
> -Kevin
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 07:34:40 -0800
From: "Bill Mitchell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] re: Dale's crash

I was talking with a very NASCAR savvy friend the other day, and we both
agree on this point:

Earnhart's crash was nowhere as hard or severe as hundreds of other
NASCAR wrecks that the driver has walked away from.  I've looked at the
tape of that accident dozens of times and there is NO WAY I am convinced
that if he was properly belted in he would have been hurt.

I believe that he had COMPLETELY UNDONE the harness as he'd just driven
a long, hard 500 mile  race and the finish line was in sight.  That's
just my opinion, and NASCAR is going after Bill Simpson in a witchunt so
they can absolve themselve of blame in their No. 1 driver's death.

Bill M.

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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 08:46:13 -0500 
From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [uuc] <wob> Re:  BMWs Getting Too Complicated

I don't like the ones in new BMWs.  They seem to be overly......er...German.
I do like the one in my new Saab.  It's got a big, clear readout and is
easily to override, which becomes necessary sometimes due to the placement
of the in-cabin temp sender.  It's waaaaay down the console which commonly
places it in the shade.  It's only really a problem on cold, but very sunny
days......on top of that, there is an "OFF" button to shut everything off--a
good feature that was missing from the auto climate control on my 88 9000t.

I do agree with Scott....the controls in my E30 are so well laid-out that it
is easy to use....

Lee

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 7:07 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [uuc] <wob> Re: BMWs Getting Too Complicated
> 
> 
> 
> Alex, you're a BMW butt fondler Luddite.
> 
> Well you said... never mind.   But if you want you can call 
> me an ignorant
> slut.  Hey, it worked for Chevy Chase.
> 
> Anyway, I'll refrain from knocking climate controls until 
> I've tested one
> from a '98 or newer car.  Of course, I probably won't own a 
> car that new
> for another 7 or 8 years...
> 
> Scott, cheap ass
> 
> 
> 
> <snip>
> 
> >Call me a BMW butt fondler Luddite.
> >
> >alex
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 08:53:11 -0500
From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] WAS inexpensive helmets, NOW roll bars and harne

No roll bar in a 2002 vs. an E39 are different things.  Newer cars are quite
strong and are appropriate for reasonably good belts.

Gary Derian

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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 08:42:51 -0500
From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] Reconstructing Ashley Bergman's fatal collision( formerly WA state 
to regulate racing schools)

My point is NASCAR cars impart a high G load to the driver in a frontal
crash.  If I were in charge there, I'd move the driver back a few feet and
provide 5 ft. of crush space so a 50 or even 100 mph delta V crash is
survivable.
Gary Derian



> And your point is?  The car she was driving was "softer" so she probably
> decelerated at less G than Dale?  So what, they're both dead.
>
> It's a moot point anyway.  Without a 300 page report like the NASCAR one
> on Dale we'll never really know why she died.  Hell that 300 page report
> isn't exactly definitive.
>
> Marco
>
> Gary Derian wrote:
> > NASCAR cars are very stiff in front and have little energy absorption
from
> > crush.
> > Gary Derian
>

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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 07:58:17 -0600
From: "Malcolm Reitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [uuc] E36 OBC upgrade?

Mike,

Check out the digest archives here:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg04959.html

You'll see that such an upgrade is non-trivial, but possible.

Malcolm
'88 M5
'98 328i
- -----Original Message-----
From: Olsen, Mike (Morse TEC Ithaca) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 7:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [uuc] E36 OBC upgrade?

Hello all,

I'm looking at possibly picking up a 1999 E36 323is that has all the
options
I want other than it's missing the full OBC and only has outside temp
and
some message center or something (haven't seen it yet).

What's the possiblity of upgrading to full OBC?  Is this a situation
where
the wiring is all in place and I need to spring for the unit, tear apart
the
dash, and plug it in?  Or would I be looking at a wiring harness upgrade
that woud make it unreasonable?

Thanks!

- -Mike Olsen
'88 325iCA
'88 ///M3 Henna
maybe an E36 coming...

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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 08:56:59 -0500
From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] limited slip final drives

Typical roll stiffness distribution for a FWD car is 50/50.  For RWD is
80/20.  This means a FWD car of equal power to weight needs a LSD more than
the RWD car.
Gary Derian

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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 06:25:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uuc] Play in quick-release steering

Ben K. wrote:
>I have not installed my Sparco QR hub yet, but it loose in my
>hands it does not appear to have any free-play in it at all.
>it's similar in cost to the one that Mark provided the link to IIRC.

I wouldn't be surprised if they all have some play in them.  Look at
the number of splines vs a regular steering wheel.

J. Aho (who Ben knows) has the smart racing one (has play), Jack has
the GSPerformance one (has play), I bet even the Sparco one will
develop play in it.

Carlos
91 M3
88 iS
PS  Ben we can try your Sparco one in Karl's racecar this weekend, I
have a Momo wheel and E30 adapter just sitting around



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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:53:27 -0500 
From: "Walker, Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] E28 Rear brake lights

Has anyone modified the brake light housing to use the inner most light bulb
socket that is not used from the factor.
This would double the brake lights to 4. I seem to remember a digest about
this some time ago. Any and all feedback is greatly appreciated.

Scott
86 528 (E28)
350k+ (Speedo have broken)

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Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 10:21:20 -0500
From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Re: BMWs Getting Too Complicated

on 3/5/03 11:17 PM, "M Kittock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My '96 E36 has the same climate control as the later E36s and, while maybe
> I don't hate it, I get very frustrated with it. My frame of reference is
> the climate in Minnesota.  In the winter, I start off setting the temp at
> max, as the engine warms up the fan speeds up and the interior warms up.
> Then I need to tap the fan speed down, then the temp down (two buttons)to
> say, 68F.  The next day it all starts over again.  In the summer I leave
> the temp at 60F, turn on the A/C as required, and adjusting the fan speed
> as required.  So, for me it is not a set and forget - I am frequently
> fiddling.  And the buttons are an ergonomic nightmare - the rotary knobs
> are much easier to set to the desired point without taking eyes off of the
> road.

Which begs the question of whether you get up every 5 minutes at home to
crank the furnace thermostat up and down a few degrees? If "yes," has your
wife filed for divorce yet? And if "no," why would you do this in your car?

I had an E36 with the old 2 knob manual control and currently have an E36 M3
with the electronic climate control. I find the latter to be much more
effective. You set the temperature and forget it, which is how a thermostat
is supposed to be used. Occasionally I may choose to alter the fan speed
manually, but not often.

Neil
96 M3

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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 07:46:35 -0800
From: "Chris Marino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] E46 STEERING WHEEL ON E30's?

Does anyone know (airbags and electronics notwithstanding) if steering
wheels from e46 cars will fit on e30 cars?  Any help would be
appreciated.

Chris
89 M3 http://www.inlacal.com/m3/m3.htm
01 X5

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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 08:14:20 -0800
From: "Chris Marino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [uuc] Can Navigation Systems play DVD's?

Does anyone know if navigation systems (in this case, the X5) can
receive input from a DVD player or TV tuner?  I've seen them converted
to play back-up camera's, so I'm assuming there is a video-in somewhere?

Chris
89 M3 http://www.inlacal.com/m3/m3.htm
01 X5

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