[uucdigest] Thursday, March 6 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6186
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Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: RE: [uuc] Reconstructing Ashley Bergman's fatal collision( formerly WA state to regulate racing schools) RE: [uuc] Reconstructing Ashley Bergman's fatal collision( formerlyWA state to regulate racing schools) RE: [uuc] Re: laws [uuc] Fwd: Instrument Cluster Inoperative RE: [uuc] Reconstructing Ashley Bergman's fatal collision (formerly WA state to regulate racing school Re: [uuc] WAS Lightnings; now RR and BMW ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:13:34 +0100 From: "Ulf Bertilsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Reconstructing Ashley Bergman's fatal collision( formerly WA state to regulate racing schools) There is the fate of god involved to. I rather not comment tagic fatal crashes, but I have crashed in all kinds of enviroment. Only using my inlines protection gear.. I have many friends lost to crashes, some stupid, some just bad luck. I do however agree that all people should have cages, 6 point belt etc in their road car. Driving is an dangerous thing, we should all protect ourself. Bad luck can only be resolved with devine power. Respect out to the lost ones :/ - -- Ulf 5 min silence for lost friends.. > -----Original Message----- > From: Marco Romani [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 1:51 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [uuc] Reconstructing Ashley Bergman's fatal collision( > formerly WA state to regulate racing schools) > > > No arguments that she (and Earnhardt") had survivable > impacts. My point, > maybe poorly worded, was that even relatively low speed > impacts can be fatal > without properly used safety equipment. I doubt anyone would > say Earnhardt > didn't have proper equipment, you could argue the open face > helmet issue but > everything I've read said it wasn't the chin blow that killed > him. Whether > she had "proper" safety equipment is unknown. At least to us > it is. Maybe > that is what the WA state legislators are trying to do, make > sure everyone > has the proper safety equipment and uses it correctly. GFL to them. > > > > Marco > full face helmet > HANS device > 10lb Halon Fire System > Yada^3 > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 3:46 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [uuc] Reconstructing Ashley Bergman's fatal collision( > formerly WA state to regulate racing schools) > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I'm surprised that a 50 mph impact killed her, though. > Sounds like > > > the car could have used better safety equipment. > > > "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > At the time of the impact with the wall, the No. 3 car was > traveling at > > approximately 157-160 mph. The car hit the wall at a > heading angle of > > approximately 55-59 degrees. Its trajectory angle at the > time of impact > was > > approximately 13-14 degrees. The No. 3 car experienced a > 'crash pulse' > of > > approximately 80 milliseconds in duration. In other words, it was in > > deceleration for approximately 80 milliseconds. ... Its > velocity changed > by > > approximately 42-44 mph as a result of the wall impact. The heading > angle, > > trajectory angle, crash pulse duration, lack of rotation > and (velocity > > change) all made this a very severe impact. > > > > So if she hit the wall head on at 50mph and decelerated to > 0 mph in a > > short period of time....... > > ....she should have survived. > Unless she, or whomever prepared her car, was a subscriber to > Earnhardt's > approach to safety (wont happen to me). > Earnhardt wore an open face helmet, sat too close to the > steering wheel > and had personally traded proper harness installation for > 'comfort'. In > the end his head hit the steering wheel and snapped his neck. > > alex f > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:16:09 +0100 From: "Ulf Bertilsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Reconstructing Ashley Bergman's fatal collision( formerlyWA state to regulate racing schools) Devine reasons are irrational.. I had a friend lost due to a small pod he drowned in as his cars flipped. Just a few feets.. No math can make up, only the cops that din't care. - -- Ulf > -----Original Message----- > From: marco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 5:53 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [uuc] Reconstructing Ashley Bergman's fatal collision( > formerlyWA state to regulate racing schools) > > > And your point is? The car she was driving was "softer" so > she probably > decelerated at less G than Dale? So what, they're both dead. > > It's a moot point anyway. Without a 300 page report like the > NASCAR one > on Dale we'll never really know why she died. Hell that 300 > page report > isn't exactly definitive. > > Marco > > Gary Derian wrote: > > NASCAR cars are very stiff in front and have little energy > absorption from > > crush. > > Gary Derian > > > > > > > > > >>No arguments that she (and Earnhardt") had survivable > impacts. My point, > >>maybe poorly worded, was that even relatively low speed > impacts can be > > > > fatal > > > >>without properly used safety equipment. I doubt anyone would say > > > > Earnhardt > > > >>didn't have proper equipment, you could argue the open face > helmet issue > > > > but > > > >>everything I've read said it wasn't the chin blow that killed him. > > > > Whether > > > >>she had "proper" safety equipment is unknown. At least to us it is. > > > > Maybe > > > >>that is what the WA state legislators are trying to do, > make sure everyone > >>has the proper safety equipment and uses it correctly. GFL to them. > >> > >> > >> > >>Marco > >>full face helmet > >>HANS device > >>10lb Halon Fire System > >>Yada^3 > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 3:46 PM > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Subject: RE: [uuc] Reconstructing Ashley Bergman's fatal collision( > >>formerly WA state to regulate racing schools) > >> > >> > >> > >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>>>I'm surprised that a 50 mph impact killed her, though. > Sounds like > >>>>the car could have used better safety equipment. > >>> > >>"Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>>At the time of the impact with the wall, the No. 3 car was > traveling at > >>>approximately 157-160 mph. The car hit the wall at a > heading angle of > >>>approximately 55-59 degrees. Its trajectory angle at the > time of impact > >> > >>was > >> > >>>approximately 13-14 degrees. The No. 3 car experienced a > 'crash pulse' > >> > >>of > >> > >>>approximately 80 milliseconds in duration. In other words, > it was in > >>>deceleration for approximately 80 milliseconds. ... Its > velocity changed > >> > >>by > >> > >>>approximately 42-44 mph as a result of the wall impact. The heading > >> > >>angle, > >> > >>>trajectory angle, crash pulse duration, lack of rotation > and (velocity > >>>change) all made this a very severe impact. > >>> > >>>So if she hit the wall head on at 50mph and decelerated to > 0 mph in a > >>>short period of time....... > >> > >>....she should have survived. > >>Unless she, or whomever prepared her car, was a subscriber > to Earnhardt's > >>approach to safety (wont happen to me). > >>Earnhardt wore an open face helmet, sat too close to the > steering wheel > >>and had personally traded proper harness installation for > 'comfort'. In > >>the end his head hit the steering wheel and snapped his neck. > >> > >>alex f > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:17:35 +0100 From: "Ulf Bertilsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: laws > Laws are for the law-abiding. Criminals,by definition, don't > care what the > law says. Amen! We are happy in ignoranze! - -- Ulf Criminal by rationality. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 01:16:53 -0800 (PST) From: "Patrick Green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Fwd: Instrument Cluster Inoperative - ------- Start of forwarded message ------- Subject: Instrument Cluster Inoperative From: "Patrick Green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 01:12:53 -0800 (PST) To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' A plethora of gremlins have come to visit my E36 this month. A new steering rack yesterday, a no start condition last week. A code 1222, etc. The code 1222 I'm going to attack by cleaning the breather hose, replace the O2 sensor and fuel filter. However, with the no start last week, it would crank and crank but would not turn over. I sprayed some throttle body cleaner on it and it started right up, so I assumed I was starved for fuel. I had an extra fuel pump relay and swapped it in hoping for a lucky guess, nothing. Well, now my instrument cluster is inoperative and where my mileage normally was it says CODE. Not to be confused with the radio code, this is where it would normally read the car's mileage. Any thoughts? Did I lose some programming somewhere? Need a new Eprom? Just take it to the dealer and pray? Or did I just give up having an instrument cluster for Lent? Thanks in advance Patrick Green 92 325i Metro Detroit area - ----------------------------------------------------- This message is intended only for the addressee. Please notify the sender by email if you are not the intended recipient. 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Acordia reserves the right to monitor and review the content of all messages sent to or received from this email address. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 06:45:19 -0500 From: Bill Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Reconstructing Ashley Bergman's fatal collision (formerly WA state to regulate racing school > -----Original Message----- > From: Stan Jackson Jr. > > > I'm not sure whether the legislation enacted is even constitutional. A > Racing School is a private event being held on private property. > So long as > the activity is not illegal, and is not public, I'm not sure there is > anything the state can do. Anyone else? > At the risk of perpetuating a thread that may have already gone on too long....... A Racing School or Driving Event is part of a business. The track is a business and the school or DE is a business even if in the case of the DE the organization is a non-profit club (non-profits are just another kind of business). The State has an interest and right to regulate businesses in it's jurisdiction. That the State has the common sense to do it appropriately or in the real public interest is another question. Bill Matthews 00 M Geeze not a lawyer but I plan on staying at an HIE in the near future ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 06:14:45 -0600 From: "Ben White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] WAS Lightnings; now RR and BMW Interesting information, Dennis. My confusion stems from the fact that this list is the first place I ever saw Range Rover identified as RR. Best, Ben White/Ocean Springs, MS - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:52 PM Subject: [uuc] WAS Lightnings; now RR and BMW > Ben Keyes wrote: > > >RR = Range Rover. LR = Land Rover. BMW Sold LR & RR to Ford ~3 > years ago when they also sold off the remains of the Austin (not Aston) > Rover/ > British Leyland empire. > > >so Ford owns Jag & LR/RR & might end up using engines from Jag in future > LR/RR products. > > >Roll Royce used to be one big company which included Bentley, Rolls cars > and also Roll Royce airplane turbine engines. then the automotive & aero > parts were split. BMW bought (or took a controlling interest) in the aero > business (Rolls Royce built the Vanos units for the euro 3.0l M3 engine). > Rolls Royce & Bentley cars ran modified versions of the BMW 4.x liter > V8 for a while, but were not that popular with their customers. then, a > a few years ago (3-4, I forget) VW & BMW got into a bidding war/ > standoff over who was going to to buy the Bentley & Rolls Royce car > making operations. VW won the prize, but BMW pulled a fast one > & got the rights to the Rolls _name_ but not the cars, so they > spent several years (3 IIRC) putting together the new giant Rolls Royce > that they introduced at the Detroit auto show this past January. > __________ > > Just to clarify a wee bit. > > In 1971, Rolls-Royce had huge problems with a new line of jet engines. The > British government came to the rescue but split the aerospace and > automotive divisions into two companies. The rights to the "Rolls-Royce" > trademark stayed with Rolls-Royce Plc, a publicly traded British company. > Rights to the Rolls-Royce grille and Spirit of Ecstasy went to Rolls-Royce > Motor Cars (Rolls-Royce Motor Cars licenses its name from Rolls-Royce Plc). > > In 1980, Rolls-Royce Motor Cars is acquired by Vickers Plc, a giant defence > and engineering corporation. > > In 1990, Rolls-Royce and BMW created an airplane engine joint venture, of > which Rolls-Royce took full control in 2000. This joint venture is separate > from Rolls-Royce plc, the aircraft engine company. > > In 1994, BMW and Rolls-Royce reached an agreement for BMW to develop engines > for the new line of Rolls-Royce and Bentley cars (see below). > > In October of 1997, Vickers Plc put Rolls-Royce Motor Cars up for sale. > Because BMW has that aviation engine joint venture with Rolls-Royce Plc, > everyone thinks that BMW is going to buy RRMC. > > In 1998, Vickers Plc formally accepted a �340 million takeover offer by BMW, > but VW AG immediately made a better offer - �430 million for Rolls-Royce > Motor Cars, including Bentley Motors. VW also acquired Cosworth Engineering > from Vickers Plc for an additional �120 million. > > In 1998, in what is widely considered a huge coup, BMW acquired the rights > to use the "Rolls-Royce" name and logo from Rolls-Royce Plc for �40 million, > totally SCREWING VW. People laugh. BMW kindly licensed the RR name to VW > until the end of 2002, as BMW doesn't actually have any cars it can sell > under either the RR or Bentley names until then. > > Come January 1, 2003 BMW AG assumes the rights to use the Rolls-Royce > marque, and coincidentally, rolls out a brand spankin' new car with that > very name. No pun intended. > > As for the engines -- it wasn't the BMW V-8 used in the Rolls-Royce, but > rather the 5.4 liter V-12. When VW bought the car company in 1998, it found > itself selling English cars with BMW engines. By pure coincidence, the > factory started working furiously on reintroducing the old, traditional huge > V-8 with lots of turbo boost. And it also started selling Red and Green > label versions, depending on whether you wanted the German V-12 or the big > V-8. And, gosh, in a further coincidence, management spread the word to the > motoring press that buyers really demanded a return of the turbo V-8, > because they found the V-12 lacking in torque. Hmmmm.... > > And now Ford finds itself selling an "English" luxury vehicle, complete with > a BMW engine. That's got to be some sort of record -- in the fall of 2002, > you could actually buy three luxury vehicles from three totally separate car > companies -- but all three vehicles are powered by the smallest of the > three, the Bavarian Motor Works. > > vty, > > --Dennis > > > > . > > ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6186 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . 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