[uucdigest] Saturday, March 8 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6197
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[uuc] RE: dating in a 2002 Re: [uuc] first car suggestions -- NO bmw content ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 10:34:44 -0500 From: "Carey Probst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] first car suggestions -- BMW content Sorry to wait so long to reply but got this while traveling with receive but no send capability. For my younger son's first car we found a '76 2002 that ran well but was the ugliest color blue I have ever seen. Paid $500 for it. Since it was solid we helped a friend strip and paint it and did some minor repairs. Three years later he sold it for $1200 and used the money to buy a '86 325 also in great shape. Arizona car, no rust, yada yada yada. Added Schroths like mine and he started tracking it with me. 3 years later the oil pressure idiot light didn't go on when the oil filler cap fell off and the oil blew out. Now he has a '93 325is and I have a dead 325e waiting for a head transplant to become an airport and track car. Probably be the only car in the airport parking lot with roll bar and harnesses but at least I won't have to park the 'M3 at the airport. I think the most important part about getting a first car is that it be a safe, solid one. If you can find a good one cheap that qualifies, great. But, think of that first car like a good helmet, if you have a $100 kid, get him/her a $100 car. The car doesn't have to be expensive to be safe but you have to be sure it's not dangerous. Carey Probst, '99 M3/2, BMW CCA Patroon and Genesee Valley Chapters JC CAIed and Sharked, Stressed, Schrothed, Gauged, Hitched, X-Braced ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 09:44:49 -0600 From: "Scott Staewen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: son's first tranny >Agree on the price bit. Save the leftover $$ for repairs and maintenance. >That 5 grand will be worth something when he's outta college and paying off >loans. Fair enough. I have no problem with spending less than 10K for the right car. 10K was my (somewhat arbitrary) price *ceiling.* > >Also, though your mind seems set, I'd push for a manual. Not knowing how to >drive one is a handicap, IMO. The learning curve takes about 3 weeks, they >fail less frequently, and clutches are much cheaper than auto >transmissions. It also makes new drivers focus a little more on how the car >works, which makes them more attuned to the vehicle. > I agree with all your points except that it is the best choice as a first car for my son. This was a difficult realization for me because, well, standards are so much cooler and there are so many more interesting choices and he should enjoy that extra measure of control they provide just like I do, right? My first car was a standard, and I did just fine. But then my first car was actually a truck, and had no seatbelts...but I digress. My point is only that there's no one correct choice for everyone. A three week learning curve? I'd say three *minutes* for some, and three millinia for a few others. And it's during that three *whatever* that they're not looking up and taking notice of stop signs or Joe or Mary Cellphone crossing the median in their Excursion. I really didn't believe it would be the case, but for my son -- at this stage -- shifting gears amounts to just another distraction. Cheers, Scott _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 10:59:49 -0500 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: son's first tranny My boys started driving with mom's automatic, then graduated to a stick shift in about 6 months when they got their own cars. BTW, I didn't buy either a "car" but a pile of parts to make into a car. We all had a great time building. Well, it seems like that now ;-). The driving schools are the best thing. An alternative is a racing go-kart. I have 2 if you need one, or both :-). Gary Derian > but for my son -- at this stage -- shifting gears amounts to just another > distraction. > > Cheers, > Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 11:05:35 -0500 From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] airplane travel (WAS: rollbars and harnesses) Don't over-estimate your ability to reduce your risk. Defensive driving skills and car control skills in general may make you safer than average, but not necessarily. Plenty of accidents occur that are out of the control of one or more drivers -- or passengers, or do you never ride? There are many, many factors that come into play in addition to driver skill. Where and when you drive, for two. On average, flying is safer than driving. Don't fool yourself into thinking you buck the odds. It is not very likely that you do. Stan BOOM,BILL wrote: > > From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: RE: [uuc] WAS inexpensive helmets, NOW roll bars and harnesses > > > > ... According to the latter, per > > passenger mile, air travel is safer by more than a factor of two - 0.7 > > deaths per 100 million aircraft miles versus 1.7 deaths per > > 100 million veh. miles... > > I don't doubt the data, but those numbers are averages. The odds of dying > in a vehicle accident are greater than average for some individuals, and > less than average for others - it all depends on how inherently safe a > driver one is. I'd be willing to bet a lot of us on this list have enough > defensive driving skills to reduce the odds of dying in a vehicle accident > by a factor of at least 1/2 to 1/3 that of the average driver. (For me > personally, my guess would be closer to 1/10th or more.) I.e., *good* > drivers really are safer per mile in their car than they are in a plane. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 11:12:38 -0500 From: "KMS - Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] E46 330Ci torn wheel-well part question It sounds like you're describing the ambient temp sensor that controls the washer jet heaters. - ----------------------------------------------------- BMW Special Tool Rentals Pay per incident tech support - ----------------------------------------------------- Brett Anderson KMS (440) 338 1650 www.koalamotorsport.com OSS committee member - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ziv Gillat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > So here is my question. If you compare this part to the left, front > side, on the bottom, you will find the housing for the outside > temperature sensor. On the right side, there is a connector, to > something, and my question is -- what is that? It looks like a > placeholder for fog lights, but it isn't that. My fog lights are > actually situated in the front grill, which is inside the bumper > cover, and they are intact and are functional. But as part of this > large chunk that got torn off, there is a circular black plastic > cover, with a prong that attaches to a wire. I can tell that this > circular piece sits right behind the right fog-light. Does anyone > know if it does something? Even better, does anyone know if I need to > re-attach the wires that got torn off? Nothing seems to have stopped > working, and the computer doesn't give any warnings. I'm just curious > if it's a dummy placeholder for a fog-light, and if BMW used the same > part, to save money, or if it actually does something, and if I > should figure out how to reconnect the wires (colors, etc...) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 10:18:44 -0600 From: Robert Phelan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Missouri Wasteland Don't get me wrong, Missouri has some very nice natural areas and a very pretty countryside. UMR is a good school that is recognized by a lot more people that one might think. However there is very little out here for a college-aged student. The college has a very limited social life to it, and while you can find things to do, and people to hang out with, it's pretty limited. I'm a military brat that has lived in Frankfurt, Newport News, and San Antonio. You can imagine the shock of being dropped straight into Rolla, MO and staying here for 14 years after the folks decide it's a good place to retire. By my mental clock, I was supposed to have moved 10 years ago. This is why I'm so excited about getting the heck out of here and going to Helsinki :) Rob - -- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 10:53:15 -0600 From: "Scott Staewen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re:son's first tranny >Agree on the price bit. Save the leftover $$ for repairs >and maintenance. That 5 grand will be worth something when >he's outta college and paying off loans. > Fair enough. I have no problem with spending less than 10K for the right car. 10K was my (somewhat arbitrary) price *ceiling.* >Also, though your mind seems set, I'd push for a manual. >Not knowing how to drive one is a handicap, IMO. The >learning curve takes about 3 weeks, they fail less >frequently, and clutches are much cheaper than auto >transmissions. It also makes new drivers focus a little >more on how the car works, which makes them more attuned to >the vehicle. > I agree with all your points except that it is the best choice as a first car for my son. This was a difficult realization for me because, well, standards are so much cooler and there are so many more interesting choices and he should enjoy that extra measure of control they provide just like I do, right? My first car was a standard, and I did just fine. But then my first car was actually a truck, and had no seatbelts...but I digress. My point is only that there's no one correct choice for everyone. A three week learning curve? I'd say three *minutes* for some, and three millinia for a few others. And it's during that three *whatever* that they're not looking up and taking notice of stop signs or Joe or Mary Cellphone crossing the median in their Excursion. I really didn't believe it would be the case, but for my son -- at this stage -- shifting gears amounts to just another distraction. Cheers, Scott _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 14:47:55 -0500 From: "KMS - Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Will this diff fit in E30?? ETK shows the 85 Euro 635CSi to have a type 188 diff, not a type 210. I agree that many of the early Euro cars had type 210 diffs, but apparently they changed that in the mid 80s. - ----------------------------------------------------- BMW Special Tool Rentals Pay per incident tech support - ----------------------------------------------------- Brett Anderson KMS (440) 338 1650 www.koalamotorsport.com OSS committee member - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Beaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Brett, > > Are you certain ?? Gilbert mentions "Euro" , it's my understanding that the > Euro cars with the M30 Big 6 typically had the large cased diff. I don't > believe that this diff would easily fit in the E30 subframe. If it has the > medium sized diff then it will fit as you state, however, wouldn't he also > have to swap the stub axles too ?? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 13:03:29 -0800 (PST) From: John Pease <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: dating in a 2002 >I must disagree, In 1979, I had a BMW 1602, '69 model (A 2002 with a >1600 >cc engine) fou you young folks. >I drove that then a 1976 2002 thru my college years, and I had no >problems >with dating...the front seats were where the action was, the seats >reclined >just fine. Yeah well your dad didn't remove the plastic handles from the seat recliner levers did he now? Mine always seemed to be three or four steps ahead of me. He must have been a handful as a teenager. Cheers John Pease 1600, 2002, 2002Tii, 356sc-- cars I had to drive in high school ARGH!!! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 13:35:47 -0800 (PST) From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] first car suggestions -- NO bmw content Before the new driver is EVER driving around alone, you should be very confident in their ability to notice what's outside the car. While they are learning, you're riding shotgun as an extra set of eyes, pointing out what they should be noticing. My father would ask me questions like, "What color is the dog 2 blocks ahead?" He was always making sure my attention was in the right place, on all the activity around me. We spent weeks in a parking lot with the car so shifting was already just a minor issue. Having taught friends/SOs to drive manual, I noticed that they forget to do simple things while concentrating on the shifting, just like a newbie driver. "You're still driving the car, remember," is something I have to say when they start to slow down significantly or brake too late because they're thinking about shifting. Learn with it, and gear selection becomes second nature much faster. Of course, this is all IMO and do with your children what you think is best. If you live in a densely populated city or a very hilly area, I'd agree with what you wrote below. tammer <--doesn't have to worry about this for at least 20 more years, by which time transmissions will have probably changed a lot. - --- "J. Ochi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think I'd rather have a new driver focus more on what's > going on outside > the car, rather than on how the car works. At least > until they have some > sort of road sense. A new driver is already faced with a > lot of > information overload - the last thing they usually need > are more > half-mastered skills to concentrate on. > > Once they have developed the situational awareness and > instincts needed to > be a fairly safe on the road, then they can move on to > incorporating new > skills. > > Jim Ochi > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6197 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . 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