[uucdigest] Thursday, March 27 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6254
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[uuc] Meeting Mother & Transfering baggage RE: [uuc] e-30 shock installation ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:37:44 -0600 From: "lars" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: [E36] street/track pads I have used only one set of race pads--R4E ($169, endurance race pads) on the front while retaining stock Pagids on the rear (someone else recommeded this). The R4Es lasted two and one-half driver's eds. The rear pads are not doing much better. My car is a 2000 323Ci and I don't want to spend $2,000 on a big brake kit. I will be doing a few more driver's eds on this daily driver before getting a dedicated track/race car. So, what R4s do you recommend? Is there something else that is cheaper or would last longer? Having not run any other track pads, I have no point of reference for basing a conclusion about the R4Es. Lars - ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 4:24 PM Subject: [uuc] Re: [E36] street/track pads > Mark, unless you brake extremely hard on the street or haven't made it out > of the C group at driving schools, I would suggest that you need 2 sets of > pads. There is no pad that is good for both environments. The R4s for the > track are a great choice. But to work at all well, they need to be more > than just warm. The pad temperatures you're likely to see in street > driving won't even come close. > > Just my 02 cents, > > Scott Miller > GGC BMW CCA > > >Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 14:6:22 -0600 > >From: "M Kittock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: [uuc] [E36] street/track pads > > > >I currently have the 'red' performance Pagid pads the Bav. Auto used to > >carry. A local club member uses them on his E36 M3 and recommended them. > >I only ran one DE on them and while they worked OK, they had a bit more > >fade than the Porterfield R4 pads I used on my 944 turbo (when I had it). > >I've thought of putting the R4's on but while they worked just fine for > >street driving on the 944 turbo they did squeak a bit... I've thought > >about the Pagid Sport blue pad also, but like the R4 is spendy. > > > >So, what about some of the other pad choices I've seen thrown around? > Like > >the EBC Red, Hawk HP Plus, Carbotech P or P+; these all seem to rated for > >street and track duty and priced reasonably for track capable pads. Do > >these wear well? I know Hawk warns of greater rotor wear - what about the > >others? I know Pagid Race pads can leave deposits on the rotor - what > about > >these? Any other choices I'm missing? > > > >I hope to run 4 DEs this year (only did one last year). So I'm not > looking > >for a pure race pad, but one I can drive on year round. But I'm not > >opposed to swapping pads before and after events, just a but lazy about > >it... > > > >I appreciate whatever experience with these you can share. I know this > >topic has been discussed at length, I probably even save some of those > >discussions - but that would be on my pc that got hit by lightning :( > >Please reply directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >TIA > > > >Mark Kittock > >'96 328i Sport Pkg; 17"OZ,H&R Sport, X-brace,Turner Motorsport bars > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:22:36 -0800 From: Steve Albrecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: Motorcycle Question As usual, Don has some great information and suggestions. Three years ago, I bought a R1150RT after 15 years of abstinence on two wheels. It is my 15th motorcycle, thirteen Hondas (dirt and road types), and one Royal Enfield (my first one, a 1957 650cc single). I must say that the BMW is MUCH more in tune with me than any of my Hondas ever were. It's too bad I didn't discover BMWs much sooner. While Dennis Wynne has a good point about BMW being lower in the horsepower department than UJM (Universal Japanese Motorcycles), they sure handle well. In real world riding, as opposed to track days, a BMW will hold its own quite well with most sport bikes, especially those ridden by squids. On my rides through the Santa Cruz mountains, I have no problems matching with riders on well known liter sized sport bikes, and in fact upset many of them because they can't shake me off. Hmmmm...perhaps this is why I wear out front tires in 5000 miles :-; Cruisers are okay, and I don't put down anything with two wheels, motorized or pedal powered, I love them all. However, most of the guys that approach me with questions about my BMW are Harley riders, and they are looking to buy something more comfortable and better handling. That tells me that cruisers aren't all they are hyped out to be. The BMW dealer network really depends upon where you live. Check your Yellow pages to see what is available. Here in the Bay Area, I have four dealers available to me. As for a long trip, I don't worry because BMWs are extremely reliable, as are most of the UJMs. I'm not familiar with the service interval on the common UJM, but my bike is scheduled every 6000 miles, and since I ride about 9000 a year, I'm not put off by this interval at all. The only real 'service' is a valve adjustment, and that is brain dead easy to do. I change oil every 3000 miles. According to some of the folks on the IBMWR list, a valve adjustment on the hot Hondas is far more expensive than my BMW. I don't have actual numbers in front of me. My friends 998 Ducatti needs a valve adjust every 1500 miles, whew! My last Honda (CB900) needed valve adjustment every 7000 miles, only 1000 miles longer than the Beemer. The real determination should be based upon the style of riding you want to do. A Honda Lead Wing or a BMW K1200LT (Light Truck) are the best choices for cross country tours, but for commuting to work, I don't think so. A liter class UJM, Ducatti, Aprilia, or one of the BMW 'S' models will be fine for back road weekend blasts, but three hours or more on one of them is not pretty. One of the Sport/Touring models may be a good compromise, and they are available from BMW, and various Japanese makers. If Saturday night cruising on the boulevard is your style, buy a cruiser. In any case, take the time to determine style you want before you jump into this. If you buy a new BMW, BMW NA will reimburse your cost for a Motorcycle Safety Foundation class. As Don mentioned, this class is highly recommended!!! BMW also has a CPO program for used bikes, including roadside assistance. Currently, they have a drawing for a free motorcycle trip around Europe, just take a test ride to post your entry. BMW is very happy to let you test ride a bike. Good luck getting a test ride on a UJM! My BMW dealer suggested that my wife & I take a test ride to Big Sur for lunch, about a three hour trip, one way. He was perfectly serious. We were out for only an hour and a half on each of the two bikes we tested, and felt that was sufficient. Good luck with your quest. Steve Albrecht '98 540iA '00 540i/6 '02 R1150RT - the real BMW ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 20:43:45 -0500 From: Steven Schlossman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] CarboTech pads (along the lines of: street/track pads) At 8:18 AM -0500 3/27/03, Money, Jack (J.J.) wrote: [snip] >I've never heard anything good about the EBC and I will not stock them. I >have heard good things about the Carbotech's but have never tried them. My >information has led me to believe they will perform like an R4 but wear a >bit faster. [snip] Not that anyone asked but. . . I know CarboTech does not get a lot of play on the lists and this is why I want to give my .02. To qualify my comments. I am not an aggressive braker but do like to brake deep when everything is clicking. I am a slow A student who needs to drive the car to work on Monday. (I do better in B group.) I attend several schools a year, mostly VIR and now Mid-Ohio, Watkins Glen, BeaveRun once a year. Oh, and Summit. The car is a 328ti with PantherPlus front and Panthers on the rear. Front vented rotors, solid rear, no additional venting. IMHO, CarboTech's Panther Plus always give me a good firm feel. Consistent, no fading. 100% of confidence. You can drive on the street without worrying about warming them up first. You don't need to worry the first time you get into the brakes on the track. They do dust a bit much but, then again, it's not a concours. My rotors seem fine after 20 weekends. Well, they do need to be replaced soon. I have not tried any other brands other than MetalMasters. MetalMasters and solid front rotors on my 318ti. By the 3rd session I was fading. - -- ...steven MINI Links http://www.happytogether.com/minilinks/ 318ti Registry http://www.happytogether.com/318ti/registry/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:01:08 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] e-30 shock installation Dear Group, What is a fair price to pay for installing 4 new shocks on an e-30? I've been quoted anywhere between $300 (4 hours) and $750 (no time mentioned). Your input is greatly appreciated. - -Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:13:58 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] CarboTech pads (along the lines of: street/track pads) Being on the subject of Carbotech brakes, and to add a data point, the wife had Carbotech Panther XPs on her AI Camaro, and loved them. The spec pad changed this year, which is the only reason she changed. Jason - --- Steven Schlossman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 8:18 AM -0500 3/27/03, Money, Jack (J.J.) wrote: > [snip] > >I've never heard anything good about the EBC and I > will not stock them. I > >have heard good things about the Carbotech's but > have never tried them. My > >information has led me to believe they will perform > like an R4 but wear a > >bit faster. > [snip] > > Not that anyone asked but. . . > I know CarboTech does not get a lot of play on the > lists and this is > why I want to give my .02. > > To qualify my comments. I am not an aggressive > braker but do like to > brake deep when everything is clicking. I am a slow > A student who > needs to drive the car to work on Monday. (I do > better in B group.) I > attend several schools a year, mostly VIR and now > Mid-Ohio, Watkins > Glen, BeaveRun once a year. Oh, and Summit. The car > is a 328ti with > PantherPlus front and Panthers on the rear. Front > vented rotors, > solid rear, no additional venting. > > IMHO, CarboTech's Panther Plus always give me a good > firm feel. > Consistent, no fading. 100% of confidence. You can > drive on the > street without worrying about warming them up first. > You don't need > to worry the first time you get into the brakes on > the track. They do > dust a bit much but, then again, it's not a > concours. My rotors seem > fine after 20 weekends. Well, they do need to be > replaced soon. > > I have not tried any other brands other than > MetalMasters. > MetalMasters and solid front rotors on my 318ti. By > the 3rd session I > was fading. > -- > ...steven > > MINI Links > http://www.happytogether.com/minilinks/ > 318ti Registry http://www.happytogether.com/318ti/registry/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:04:51 -0500 From: Steven Schlossman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] K&N rant pointer? At 9:37 PM +0000 3/27/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Can anybody provide a URL for JC's classic anti-K&N rant, >with measurements of air flow and particulate passage of >both clean and dust-loaded paper vs. oiled-gauze filters? Was it this? http://www.bonnevillemotorwerks.com/dynocharts/intake/KN/kntest.pdf There is additional reading at http://www.bmwe34.net/E34main/Upgrade/Air_filter.htm with comments from K&N and Rob. - -- ...steven MINI Links http://www.happytogether.com/minilinks/ 318ti Registry http://www.happytogether.com/318ti/registry/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:16:56 -0500 From: Norman Lieberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Meeting Mother & Transfering baggage Most will transfer baggage. IIRC southwest air does not have a working relationship with the others so if you are involved with them you are on you're own. BTDT. A royal pain. Norman Lieberman '97 528/5 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:23:43 -0500 From: "KMS - Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] e-30 shock installation 4 hours is what I'd charge. That's 1.5 for each front and 1 for both rears. - ----------------------------------------------------- BMW Special Tool Rentals Pay per incident tech support - ----------------------------------------------------- Brett Anderson KMS (440) 338 1650 www.koalamotorsport.com OSS committee member > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > What is a fair price to pay for installing 4 new shocks on an > e-30? I've been > quoted anywhere between $300 (4 hours) and $750 (no time > mentioned). Your > input is greatly appreciated. ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6254 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . BMW technical information, special tool sales/rental | http://www.koalamotorsport.com | |==================================================== | | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | UUC Motorwerks . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com |__________________________________________
