[uucdigest] Tuesday, June 10 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6442
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Re: [uuc] Re: Anyone up for a driver school? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:55:18 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Fuel System Cleaner in Cylinder As Per European Car's Project M3... Basic Concept Outline: Unplug Coil Packs before removing ? why? Pour some carb or fuel system cleaner in and let it evaporate overnight -This will break up the carbon deposits on the piston heads and blow it out the exhaust pipe Recommend using Chevron Techron fuel system cleaner Draining the oil (before starting the car, after cleaner has time to work), to ensure that any cleaner that may have made it in the oil pan will be removed. This procedure is obviously done as a first step to an oil change. Another trick mentioned: Run a bottle of Techron straight through a vacuum line in the intake manifold while the car is idling. Shut off for a couple hours, then drive for an easy few miles. It should smoke like hell, but clean everything out. Phil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:40:44 -0400 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Anyone up for a driver school? > I've actually heard quite a few times that the E36 coupes don't have > sufficient rollover protection. Also seen lots of pix of E36 coupes with > the roof flat from the trunk.... I have seen pics of many cars that were flattened, not just E36 M3s. Your bound to see nearly every BMW completely flattened when they are driving commonly at driving schools along with many other marquees. The more commonly driven cars will be seen in more accidents. Last few driving schools I have been at had an abundance of E36s although more and more E46s are showing up. > Of course, Gary & I were talking about sedans.....the 2-door E36's are true > coupes & not sedans. How do you figure? I was told a real coupe was one without "B" pillars. My E36 M3 2 door sedan has a "B" pillar. I used to think sedans were those that had rear seats but I was corrected that sedans have "B" pillars by definition. Regards, Rich ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:45:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Neil N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] To store or not to store Phil, This past winter, I stored my 1994 325is in a Cover-It garage/tent. I added some Sta-Bil about mid-winter, and did nothing re: disconnecting the battery, oiling the cylinders, etc. I would let the car run for 30 minutes every few weeks. Now, I'm not recommending that you don't do the things I didn't do, but bottom line is that my car is fine. I run it only on the track/skidpad, and the car hasn't suffered any degradation in operating condition this season. Oh, and the winter we had this past year in NH was, I would guess, a bit colder and more severe than what the coming northern FL winter will be. :-) To wit, I was chopping several-inch-thick ice away from the gate in front of the garage in late March/early April. Good luck, Neil P.S. - Any chance you could get an Australian M3R as a rental while you're down there? That's pretty compact. P.S.S. - I wouldn't be too eager to visit Singapore right now either. I saw the Wall Street Journal full page ad stating that they're off the World Health Org's SARS list, or whatever, but still, I'm all set with that... phil irby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Group, I got word today I got a temp job I applied for that is an exchange program my company has with Australia. I'll be going to Brisbane for 6 months starting in October and returning 1st wk of April. I would appreciate any advice on what to do with my 92 E36 325i while I'm away. I've considered just storing it but don't have access to a "real" garage. I have possible access to a carport that is closed on 3 sides but open on the front. It belongs to a neighbor so I'd have to leave tires mounted and give a friend a key so he could move it if there's any problem. I've heard it's not good to leave tires mounted in one spot for extended periods due to flat spots, etc. Also have heard it's a good idea to remove plugs and squirt oil in each cylinder to prevent rust, then just loosely re-install the plugs. I've had quite a few offers from coworkers to keep my battery charged by driving it, but wonder if I can trust them to care for my baby the way I would. I've also had some tell me just to rent a storage unit and put it in there, but wonder about the security of that too. Other facts: 98xxx miles on the clock right now so will be over 100K by departure date. I live in north Florida so it can get down to sub-freezing for at least a few weeks each winter. Also would appreciate any advice fellow listers would have on places to go, things to see, etc. I've been told I get a compact rental for the time I'm there. One guy who went last year said he had a Holden Commodore made by GM. Sheesh......gonnna have to learn how to drive all over too.....on the "other side". Phil 92 E36/M50 Soon to be in the land down under __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:47:31 -0400 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Survey - used lease car v. used "rental' car Umm, this is a trick question right? This really is a no brainer. Leased car - Yeah, maybe the owner didn't take care of it, maybe they did. But, it is far more likely they did I believe with scheduled and included maintenance. Even so, they know they may pay the piper if they abuse it too much when they turn it in and they have to live with the car for the length of the contract. My 95 M3 was a leased car and couldn't have been babied more (4 years old with 13k miles, completely perfect except for a few stone chips and perfect maintenance...still original tires at the time only half worn). But a rental car...well, let's see, one rental car with 20k miles may have had approximately 100 different drivers (assuming 200 miles per rental just as a guess). I would say it only takes one or two abusive drivers to really take its toll on that car. Basically, the odds are against the rental car regardless of potentially how well the rental agency maintains the car. Regards, Rich - has leased cars and rented cars...the rented cars were treated more poorly (and 100x better than most renters). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:56:27 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Anyone up for a driver school? 4 door sedans are generally better since the doors are smaller, but not all cars are built equally :-). Having that B pillars is a very good thing. The old hardtop cars from the 1960's were really bad for roof strength. Gary Derian > > I've actually heard quite a few times that the E36 coupes don't have > > sufficient rollover protection. Also seen lots of pix of E36 coupes with > > the roof flat from the trunk.... > > I have seen pics of many cars that were flattened, not just E36 M3s. Your bound to see nearly every BMW completely flattened when they are driving commonly at driving schools along with many other marquees. The more commonly driven cars will be seen in more accidents. Last few driving schools I have been at had an abundance of E36s although more and more E46s are showing up. > > > Of course, Gary & I were talking about sedans.....the 2-door E36's are true > > coupes & not sedans. > > How do you figure? I was told a real coupe was one without "B" pillars. My E36 M3 2 door sedan has a "B" pillar. I used to think sedans were those that had rear seats but I was corrected that sedans have "B" pillars by definition. > > Regards, > > Rich > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:00:00 -0500 From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Rendevous Film -- I just saw it! on 6/10/03 8:51 AM, "Phil Bell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Incredible!! The camera is mounted to the front of a Ferrari 275GTB and goes > flat out through the streets of Paris at dawn. It is done in one continuous > shot, as the magazine in the camera only held 10 minutes of film. > > The version I found has been digitally re-mastered to a DVD. AWESOME!! > > Go to www.spiritlevelfilm.com and get one NOW! My cost with shipping was > $31.00. Totally worth the price. But if you really want to watch awesome displays of speed and skill on public streets, tune in to Speed Channel's current coverage of the 2003 Isle of Man TT. The on-bike cameras seem like a speeded-up video game - but aren't. For those unfamiliar with it, the TT features the 37.5 mile Mountain Course, rising from sea level to over 2000 feet, with the 180+ mph speed trap being in town, between curbs and stone-walled houses. The current lap record is in excess of 127 mph. Neil 96 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:00:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "Neil N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Survey - used lease car v. used "rental' car As with many of the other respondents, I rent cars frequently for my work, and knowing how I drive them, I would never in a million years purchase one. Who among us has not done bootleg turns with the e-brake in the hotel parking lot? Or had occasion to rent a Mustang and do a brakestand behind a Wal-Mart and leave a 1/4" of rubber on the pavement? (Side note: Current Mustangs have traction control - don't forget to turn that off.) Or simply yanked the e-brake at 40 mph driving down the road, just for fun? Or returned a car with the "CHECK ENGINE" light lit? Or driven around in first gear bouncing off the rev limiter just to demonstrate the concept to a colleague (and for fun)? Anyhow, that said, I'd never buy a rental car. :) Neil - --- Dennis Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since I posted the article from the NY Times on the > increasing popularity of > sales of former-lease cars, particularly through > certified pre-owned > programs from the manufacturer, a fellow list member > and I have had a > friendly, off-list debate over the merits of buying > such a car (e.g., > factory Certified-Pre-Owned, off-lease) versus > buying one from a car rental > company, like Hertz or Avis. > > Both cars would have followed the manufacturer's > recommend maintenance > schedule, though we discussed whether manufacturers > have lengthened > time/mileage between scheduled services to (a) > reduce costs for those that > offer free scheduled maintenance and make the costs > of ownership look better > in periodicals, or (b) because cars are better > designed and built these > days. I think it's probably a large portion of the > latter with a good > leavening of the latter. > > ASSUME that the off-lease car would have something > like 50k miles on it, > being 3 years old, while the off-rental vehicle > would have something like > 20k miles on it, all put onto it in one year, and > each car is priced > realistically; e.g., the price for each is a a good > buy. > > Here's the query -- which car is likely to have been > treated better, and > which will likely, ultimately, to last longer? > > His argument - "It is very easy to spot a car that > has been flogged and most > are not. 20,000 miles of infrequent oil changes > won't do much damage. > 50,000 such miles very likely will. Come on Dennis, > we both know that > manufacturers service interval recommendations are > crafted to allow them to > advertise low maintenance costs. Even a Kia will > survive 50,000 miles > without showing too much wear, except for shocks and > trim." > > My argument - on average, rental cars are much more > abused by hundreds of > drivers than one that's been leased to one person > for three years. > > Opinions? Which would you prefer? (again, assume > that the prices for each > are "good deals") > > vty, > > --Dennis > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:06:12 -0500 From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Rendevous Film -- I just saw it! on 6/10/03 8:51 AM, "Phil Bell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The version I found has been digitally re-mastered to a DVD. AWESOME!! I note that the source you cite <www.spiritlevelfilms.com> is in the UK, which suggests that the DVD would be encoded for Region 2 (Europe and others) rather than Region 1 (USA/Canada). Was that the case? Neil 96 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:13:06 -0400 From: "James Moran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Anyone up for a driver school? BMW hasn't built a true coupe since the E9. Nevertheless, how different do you think the E36 2- and 4-door bodies are? Did they use thinner steel in the 2-door? There is no difference in roll-over protection between E36 2- and 4-door cars. Jim Moran '88 M6 (sedan?) From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I've actually heard quite a few times that the E36 coupes don't have > sufficient rollover protection. Also seen lots of pix of E36 coupes with > the roof flat from the trunk.... > > Of course, Gary & I were talking about sedans.....the 2-door E36's are true > coupes & not sedans. > > Lee ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6442 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . BMW technical information, special tool sales/rental | http://www.koalamotorsport.com | |==================================================== | | Taylor BMW - http://www.taylorbmw.com - Doc Bimmer! | |==================================================== | Turner Motorsport Inc . 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