[uucdigest] Tuesday, June 10 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6441
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RE: [uuc] To store or not to store RE: [uuc] To store or not to store RE: [uuc] Survey - used lease car v. used "rental' car ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 21:37:24 -0700 From: "Phil Bell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Rendevous Film -- I just saw it! Incredible!! The camera is mounted to the front of a Ferrari 275GTB and goes flat out through the streets of Paris at dawn. It is done in one continuous shot, as the magazine in the camera only held 10 minutes of film. The version I found has been digitally re-mastered to a DVD. AWESOME!! Go to www.spiritlevelfilm.com and get one NOW! My cost with shipping was $31.00. Totally worth the price. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 01:12:41 -0400 From: Michael Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Rendevous Film -- I just saw it! In the remastered version, is anything done to improve the sound? in the original, you can tell at times they messed up with the sound recording and it was out of phase of the actual footage. example, up shifting thru a corner when it would not have been possible to have shifted twice in such a short space etc. It has been awhile since watching, but I remember a few spots were they really screwed that part up. But still quite good just for the footage. Mike - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Bell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Neil Deshpande" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Carlos Lopez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 12:37 AM Subject: [uuc] Rendevous Film -- I just saw it! > Incredible!! The camera is mounted to the front of a Ferrari 275GTB and goes > flat out through the streets of Paris at dawn. It is done in one continuous > shot, as the magazine in the camera only held 10 minutes of film. > > The version I found has been digitally re-mastered to a DVD. AWESOME!! > > Go to www.spiritlevelfilm.com and get one NOW! My cost with shipping was > $31.00. Totally worth the price. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 22:24:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Hsu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Survey - used lease car v. used "rental' car If a leased car or rental car were my only choices for my next car, I would look for a leased car. My reasoning would be because the way I would treat the cars. I have driven a couple rental cars where they seem to only last those few days I rented. I notice that the rental place seem to really care about any dings and scratches, rather than mechanical, when you check in. With a leased car, I would probably drive it like I do with my current car. Although I'm not easy on my own car, but not abusive (or I would like to think). I guess one would be not too hard on the leased car because of the deposit they have on it. Mike __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 00:04:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Curtis A. Ingraham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Overnight Valve Cleaning as per EC I removed the head from a 2002 whose rings had been soaking in penetrating oil for a few weeks; there was a half inch of oil on top of a couple of the pistons. So, it might drain, and it might not, and you wouldn't want to add hydraulic lock to your problems. You can clear most of the fluid by disabling the ignition and cranking the engine over with the plugs out. Curt Ingraham 72 2002tii Oakland, CA David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think you will find it has drained nicely---into the oil pan. 'Cause Phil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'll check the article tonight, I can't see how you would drain the fluid > from the cylinder except via siphon and I don't recall that being in the > procedure. 'Cause Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there a piece missing from this procedure? Like draining the fluid? I > wouldn't want any fluid in my cylinder when starting the car. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 23:31:36 -0400 From: Steven Schlossman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] To store or not to store At 11:15 PM -0400 6/9/03, Gary Derian wrote: >6 months isn't that long. Have your neighbor take the car out once a month >for 10 or 15 miles. Like maybe to Roebling Road? ;) - -- ...steven 1996 328ti 2003 MCS Ofest caravan http://www.happytogether.com/unofficialofest ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:29:24 -0400 From: "Jeff K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Anyone up for a driver school? Well, my "restraint inside" would be how hard I push it. My M3 is my daily driver and I'm not going to get so close to the limit that I spin it, much less roll it. I understand the regulations, I just wish that there was some alternative other than dropping 3 large at Skip Barber. >Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 20:35:48 -0400 >From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Anyone up for a driver school? > >Everything since 1974 for the US market has a roof crush strength >requirement, but not all cars are created equal. Certainly a full race >type >cage is better than not, and I didn't mean to claim that no cage is >necessary in a tin top car. > >I would consider an E36 to be "newer". > >The degree of roof strength goes along with the degree of restraint inside. >The stronger the roof, the firmer the belts you can use. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:11:54 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Anyone up for a driver school? A day of go-kart school is a few hundred dollars. Then a complete racing setup is a few thousand. Leave the road car for road use. Gary Derian > Well, my "restraint inside" would be how hard I push it. My M3 is my daily > driver and I'm not going to get so close to the limit that I spin it, much > less roll it. I understand the regulations, I just wish that there was some > alternative other than dropping 3 large at Skip Barber. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:56:58 -0400 From: "Jerome & Chinthika Welte" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Survey - used lease car v. used "rental' car I drive a rental car nearly every week while I travel on business and wouldn't even consider buying one. I can assure you these vehicles aren't driven kindly, especially during the break-in period. The maintenance schedules are followed very closely, though. The lot jockeys at the rental locations are probably the most abusive. Later, Jerome no-name rental car (Mon-Thurs ride) '98 M3/4 (Friday ride) '89 944 Turbo (weekend ride) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:04:37 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Re: Anyone up for a driver school? I've actually heard quite a few times that the E36 coupes don't have sufficient rollover protection. Also seen lots of pix of E36 coupes with the roof flat from the trunk.... Of course, Gary & I were talking about sedans.....the 2-door E36's are true coupes & not sedans. Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: James Moran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 4:44 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: Anyone up for a driver school? > > > Define "newer". I've seen photos of an E36 smushed down to > the door tops from > an incident at Summit Point. > > Jim Moran > '88 M6 > > From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Newer sedans have very good rollover protection built in. > > Gary Derian > > > > > > > > FWIW, I'd be a little shy of pushing a car real hard that > didn't have > > > something over head. A lot of guys will say you're crazy > for doing these > > in > > > sedans w/out rollover protection. > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:15:56 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] To store or not to store Phil, I went through this same thing when I went to Thailand for 6 months last year. My recommendation to you is to give the car & keys to a trusted friend. Ask them to drive it periodically and leave them a credit card or checks or something to pay for any surprises that may come up. Additionally, before I left, I did a complete fluid change & basic tune-up. I would think your car will be in much better shape if it's driven some correctly--remember the trusted friend part. Tim Ng had mine & put less than 500 miles on it while I was gone. Plus I knew I could rely on the fact that the car was warmed up properly before being thrashed. Best of luck in Australia. Learning to drive on the other side isn't bad....the worst thing for me was that the control stalks were reversed. Well that & I was in Thailand which is an insane place to drive. As long as you're going to be there, I would try to get to Asia to....Hong Kong, Singapore & Thailand are all fun places--although an 8 hour flight from Australia. The catch is, once you're in that part of the world, it's cheap to get around. Best of luck, Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: phil irby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 9:33 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [uuc] To store or not to store > > > Group, > > I got word today I got a temp job I applied for that is an exchange > program my company has with Australia. I'll be going to > Brisbane for 6 > months starting in October and returning 1st wk of April. I would > appreciate any advice on what to do with my 92 E36 325i while > I'm away. > I've considered just storing it but don't have access to a "real" > garage. I have possible access to a carport that is closed on 3 sides > but open on the front. It belongs to a neighbor so I'd have to leave > tires mounted and give a friend a key so he could move it if > there's any > problem. I've heard it's not good to leave tires mounted in one spot > for extended periods due to flat spots, etc. Also have heard it's a > good idea to remove plugs and squirt oil in each cylinder to prevent > rust, then just loosely re-install the plugs. I've had quite a few > offers from coworkers to keep my battery charged by driving it, but > wonder if I can trust them to care for my baby the way I would. I've > also had some tell me just to rent a storage unit and put it in there, > but wonder about the security of that too. Other facts: > 98xxx miles on > the clock right now so will be over 100K by departure date. I live in > north Florida so it can get down to sub-freezing for at least a few > weeks each winter. > > Also would appreciate any advice fellow listers would have on > places to > go, things to see, etc. I've been told I get a compact rental for the > time I'm there. One guy who went last year said he had a Holden > Commodore made by GM. Sheesh......gonnna have to learn how > to drive all > over too.....on the "other side". > > Phil > 92 E36/M50 > Soon to be in the land down under > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:22:15 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] To store or not to store I'd think he'd want new tires after that....... I love that track, but it is brutal on tires..... This would be a good thing for any BMW though.... Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Schlossman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 11:32 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [uuc] To store or not to store > > > At 11:15 PM -0400 6/9/03, Gary Derian wrote: > >6 months isn't that long. Have your neighbor take the car > out once a month > >for 10 or 15 miles. > > Like maybe to Roebling Road? ;) > -- > ...steven > 1996 328ti > 2003 MCS > > Ofest caravan http://www.happytogether.com/unofficialofest > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:53:48 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Survey - used lease car v. used "rental' car I would choose neither. I have rentals all the time. Due to the duration of projects we do, I might have a car for up to 30 days (actually, we had the same little Carolla in Thailand for 6 months). NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, EVER buy a used rental car. These cars are horribly abused. And 20k miles on a rental, who told you that? I've had a lot of cars at near 40k--& we use one of the prominent chains. Rental cars are commonly driven over curbs, parked where you would never park your own car, not properly warmed up, etc.....Gosh help the rental company who gives us a rental car with a handbrake or 4wd capability. People (not anyone I'd know) do things in rental cars that they'd never do in their own cars. Rental cars have even been known to autocross (not by anyone I'd know). People also do things in rental cars that, while they would do in their own cars, most people wouldn't want. I can drift a buick century half a city block with the left foot....I do this in my cars, but other folks would be appalled. People eat & drink & generally trash the interiors as well. People haul tools & parts with them. I accidentally put the trash in the trunk once & forgot to dump it, in summer. After about 3 days, the car couldn't be driven with the windows up. Now on to leases. As far as I'm concerned, a lease is a long-term rental. I don't think people take any better care of the cars. I watch neighbors in my apt complex every morning get in, start a car & over-rev it right out of the parking lot. I'm pretty sure one of the points of scheduled maintenance is to get people to actually come to the dealer so leased cars will get SOME attention. I had a colleague when I was a co-op whose finace was leasing a Millenia. 3/36 lease. After 2 years & 78k, she called him complaining that the car had stopped...all the warning lights came on. When we went out to look, we checked the oil--dry as a bone. He asked when she had it changed last. She got mad & exclaimed, "no, this car has a 100,000 mile tune-up interval." Ouch! They filled it with oil & it ran & they traded it in. I know LOTS of guys who track & autocross leased sports cars. I think your best bet is to buy a car from the owner. I think people who actually have an ownership stake in a car are more likely to care for it. While my Saab is redlined every day & thrown through corners & driven in a really spirited manner, it is very well taken care of. Oil changed more often then required, with synthetic-blend. All regular maintenance done & taken to the dealer at the first sign of a problem. Some people may prefer a grandma'd car, but the fact that it's a quality european car, it should be fine. Although, with the amount that the average joe understands about cars, your best bet is to have an inspection--even if the car is a CPO with 15k. Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Liu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 10:08 PM > To: BMW > Subject: [uuc] Survey - used lease car v. used "rental' car > > > Since I posted the article from the NY Times on the > increasing popularity of > sales of former-lease cars, particularly through certified pre-owned > programs from the manufacturer, a fellow list member and I have had a > friendly, off-list debate over the merits of buying such a car (e.g., > factory Certified-Pre-Owned, off-lease) versus buying one > from a car rental > company, like Hertz or Avis. > > Both cars would have followed the manufacturer's recommend maintenance > schedule, though we discussed whether manufacturers have lengthened > time/mileage between scheduled services to (a) reduce costs > for those that > offer free scheduled maintenance and make the costs of > ownership look better > in periodicals, or (b) because cars are better designed and > built these > days. I think it's probably a large portion of the latter with a good > leavening of the latter. > > ASSUME that the off-lease car would have something like 50k > miles on it, > being 3 years old, while the off-rental vehicle would have > something like > 20k miles on it, all put onto it in one year, and each car is priced > realistically; e.g., the price for each is a a good buy. > > Here's the query -- which car is likely to have been treated > better, and > which will likely, ultimately, to last longer? > > His argument - "It is very easy to spot a car that has been > flogged and most > are not. 20,000 miles of infrequent oil changes won't do much damage. > 50,000 such miles very likely will. Come on Dennis, we both > know that > manufacturers service interval recommendations are crafted to > allow them to > advertise low maintenance costs. Even a Kia will survive 50,000 miles > without showing too much wear, except for shocks and trim." > > My argument - on average, rental cars are much more abused by > hundreds of > drivers than one that's been leased to one person for three years. > > Opinions? Which would you prefer? (again, assume that the > prices for each > are "good deals") > > vty, > > --Dennis > ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6441 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . 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