[uucdigest] Saturday, June 14 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6464
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RE: [uuc] used BMW option opinions [uuc] 1993 325i for sale <E36> <FS> [uuc] WTB E30 325e/i w/ automatic transmission [uuc] 87 325i swap to 325e [uuc] <E34> Touring Information? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 13:46:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Couvillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] 87 325i swap to 325e When I mentioned a later model iC being a 5-figure car if in good condition, this was based on the market about a year or two ago. . . before everything took a HUGE plunge. On a similar note, I know of plenty nice '87 or '88 535iS cars that sold for $8k - $10k easy. This is e28 M5 territory! Now? The iC and the 535iS are both taking hits. Everyone's getting laid off and/or losing their retirement funds in the securities markets. They have to sell their toys to provide enough cash to get by until the job and stock markets heat back up. That, or they have to sell their nice daily drivers and step down to something cheaper and easier/quicker to maintain. Maybe now those $10k - $12k '91 - '93 325iCs that I saw on Autotrader and eBay are selling for about 75% of that. . . or less. It's definitely happening with the 535's. I've seen too many really, really nice e28 535i/iS cars selling for $3k - $6k that SHOULD be getting at least $7k. Brad "Shifty" Couvillon '85 Euro 535i <-- yup, $3400, woulda been worth $7k two years ago '87 528e <-- worth about $250 in its current state www.fatdaddybmw.com - --- John Bunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mike, if I may respectfully quibble with your > statement. In my experience, > five figures is not out of line for a clean, fully > sorted, low mileage late > 91-93 325ic (with body-colored bumpers), at least > here in Texas. I looked > long and hard for my '92 black 5-spd w/71K miles > last year. And while I > didn't pay five figures, it was close - and after > looking at many cars in > the 3-8k price range, I would have paid five figures > for the right car, > because it's too easy to get there, regardless of > your starting point, by > the time you take care of deferred maintenance. > > I started out thinking along the same lines you are, > but I can't tell you > how many cars I looked at whose owners were selling > because the car needed > a known $3k+ worth of work immediately (usually top > and upholstery), and > they just didn't want to put cash into the car. It > seems that many cabrio > owners were not enthusiasts per se, and didn't worry > much about upkeep > and/or protecting their cars from the sun. Some > "nice" cars had poorly > installed aftermarket tops and junkyard vinyl seats. > Lots of these cars > look great from 10 feet away, but living with them > would be another story. > After looking at the numbers, my $10k car was a far > better deal than most > of the $6-7k cars I found. > > In my experience - 100k+ miles 87-90 cars needing > attention can be bought > at the prices you are talking about. But having > just gone through the E30 > cabrio search, I can tell you that it's a little > more complicated than > first meets the eye. Are there bargains lurking > out there? Of course - > but I will tell you I wouldn't sell my car for less > than $12k - worth it? > Who knows? Am I an idiot? Your call! ;-) > > John > '90 M3 > '92 325ic __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: 14 Jun 2003 17:30:15 -0400 From: Matt Twigg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <E28> it's for sale To all, I just don't think I have the patience, space, or time to strip, though that will likely net me a lot more money. Send me some offers. On the car or on parts. If there are a lot of local E28 parts needy people, I may pull parts and let others cart it away. Note that the car is in Marshfield, MA 02050 and is fully drivable. Actually it has never failed to start in the three years we have owned it.100 miles a day to commute. It has a rusted out exhaust and some undercarriage rust, thus the sale. 1986 E28 528e 230k Bronzit Beige No oil usage. 4Hp22 trans in excellent cond. (yes really) Black leather interior (fantastic condition, redyed it w/ Surflex) 3rd owner. Email *any* questions. http://users.adelphia.net/~mizuki/cars/ *** BTW we are looking for an E34 Touring to replace it.*** Regards, - -Matt 1986 528e 1991 325iX ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 15:03:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Couvillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <E28> it's for sale Matt, Sorry to hear you decided to get rid of it. It's for the best, though. I'll forward your post to some e28 groups I'm on. By the way, that's a VERY nice iX!!! Brad "Shifty" Couvillon '85 Euro 535i '87 528e <-- parting as well www.fatdaddybmw.com - --- Matt Twigg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To all, > > I just don't think I have the patience, space, or > time to strip, though > that will likely net me a lot more money. > > Send me some offers. On the car or on parts. > If there are a lot of local E28 parts needy people, > I may pull parts and > let others cart it away. > > Note that the car is in Marshfield, MA 02050 and is > fully drivable. > Actually it has never failed to start in the three > years we have owned > it.100 miles a day to commute. > > It has a rusted out exhaust and some undercarriage > rust, thus the sale. > > 1986 E28 528e > 230k > Bronzit Beige > No oil usage. > 4Hp22 trans in excellent cond. (yes really) > Black leather interior (fantastic condition, redyed > it w/ Surflex) > 3rd owner. > Email *any* questions. > > http://users.adelphia.net/~mizuki/cars/ > > *** BTW we are looking for an E34 Touring to replace > it.*** > > > Regards, > > -Matt > 1986 528e > 1991 325iX > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 17:12:36 -0400 From: "BMWBITS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Needed: Car radio expert .. Or at least some expert advice .... I am refurbing a 1986 325e as a cheap run-about 'ole reliable' . In the original radio-hole I found a JVC CD receiver , Model No. KD-SX650 , Serial number 145528S7 (that's an "S" in S7 ) .Problem is , the removeable face has been permanently 'removed' ..so it aint no moa ' . I seriously doubt that JVC wants anything to do with it so ... Question I have ....Is there a 'car-radio-holics' website or some other place out there where I might find another face ? Or someone who can check it out for being in working condition etc ?. Alternative ..I am looking for a cheap tune-maker .....doesnt have to be ultra-hi-fi etc just work and able to twirl a CD now and then ... This is to be a CHEAP car ...I already have speakers , amps and lots of wire ... Bill & Shirley Proud, Tennessee..winters, Seattle..summers Long commute in between . ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 19:09:49 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] used BMW option opinions We got Kelly's 98 323is for $13, although with 90k. The 323 is a good car, the only problem is that the power is simply adequate. For the money, I'd rather consider a 328is or E36 M3. You should be able to aquire a 97 or 98 M3, even a crew cab, for $20-25. The only problem I would see with getting an E36 M3 is that your wife might not ever get to drive it..... Lee > -----Original Message----- > From: Polands [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 3:28 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; bmwuucdigest > Subject: [uuc] used BMW option opinions > > > Ok, we went by the dealer this morning, sort of thinking > about replacing > the wife's '92 Integra. > She loves to drive as much as I do, has to have a stick, appreciates > sport package, not completely concerned about having the > biggest motor. > > So to ease into the discussion we told him we're thinking frugal... we > were shown a '98 323i Silver 2dr 5spd sport package, CD changer, > sunroof, leather, computer, (and a back seat dog mat). 50,000 miles. > Extremely clean great condition. $18,900. > > Then he mentioned 1.9% money on 2000 or newer CPO's. So we > looked at a > 2000 323iT 5spd, sport package, CD player, leather, no sunroof or > computer. 36,000 miles, new condition, $26,450. > Maybe doesn't feel quite as nimble, but still very tight, > better braking > than my E28 535is with 750front brakes. > > For a weekend and trip car (she walks to work), the e36 would be > completely adequate, the only downsides I see are that I won't want to > ever sit in the backseat due to headroom, and the obvious resale > differential. Salesman says there is no difference in the > motor except > perhaps vanos on the '00. > > The low interest makes the payments very close. Given that my feeling > is that the better retained value and the ability to ditch > the '83 Volvo > 245 Garden Utility Hauler make the newer car well worth the difference > in principal. > > Either one will fill the need. We would probably keep the '00 for at > least 6 years, probably a couple of years less with the '98, > and keeping > an eye on depreciation. > > What do you all think about the cost difference, maintenance etc. > between these two cars. > > Steve Poland > Portland, OR > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 16:03:24 -0700 From: "Marvin Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] 1993 325i for sale <E36> <FS> For sale: 1993 BMW 325i 4 door, 5 speed manual transmission, excellent condition Bronze (cashmere beige metallic) with black cloth upholstery One-owner car, extremely well maintained, with all records and receipts. Synthetic oil every 2000 - 4000 miles, all factory recommended maintenance plus additional preventive maintenance. 92k miles. VIN: WBACB3314P FE14404 Standard equipment: 5 speed transmission, air conditioning (HC134a type), AM, FM, cassette stereo, power steering, power windows, sunroof, seats, & door locks, cruise control. Factory options: Sports package (includes sport suspension and sport seats) Limited slip differential On-board computer Metallic paint Cloth upholstery (more comfortable than leather and not slippery) Other upgrades: Koni double adjustable shock absorbers 16-inch wheels (BMW style 30) with nearly new tires BMW M3 muffler Clifford alarm $9150 Also available: Service manuals, extra wheels and tires Located in San Francisco, CA, East Bay Area Reason for sale: I ordered a new 330i. Marvin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 16:54:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] WTB E30 325e/i w/ automatic transmission Scott: I am not a father, though I've probably babysat more kids than you, but in my experience it is safer to introduce the manual transmission at the outset. I have friends who have tried the phased approach and their daughters have ended up sticking with the autobox. The only _real_ argument for manual is that you may need to drive one one day if someone is drunk, etc., but, frankly, in that case you should probably spring for a cab. BTW, I've taught a number of people how to drive ("Teaching if the fine art of imparting knowledge w/o actually posessing it." G B Shaw) and have _always_ done it in a manual transmission car. If they brought an autobox, I dropped the student with the same speed (no pun intended) that I would a chem student who came to me with ingredients to make drugs with. The advantages of being a teacher for free. I learnt this attitude from my Mom, who did the same most of her life to get her way with principals when she taught her classes! Neil Deshpande - lucking my teacher (Dad) _could_ actually drive! *** "Scott & Charlotte Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've decided that the perfect car for my daughter to learn how to drive is an E30 with an automatic transmission. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 17:01:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] 87 325i swap to 325e Grupp: Car is available. Check <http://216.97.77.38/sale/bmw.htm>. Ask me any questions after you've perused the site. It gives a good idea of what kind of car it is and should tell you pretty much all you need to know. Neil Deshpande *** Michael Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> basically the inside story is the first person Inside with cash, gets car, lol. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 17:20:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <E34> Touring Information? Gruppe: I am contemplating the purchase of an E34 525i Touring. Could someone please point me in the direction of model year difference, gotchas, etc? Any electrical faults that got fixed later, side skirting, wider kidneys, interior options, load levelling which years, etc., etc. Any comments on pricing would be welcome. I am looking for something cosmetically nice in the sub-10k range, with 8k being preferred. Mechanicals are not as much of an issue, but should be consistent with age and not abused. Mileage should be around 125k or so, but less is better of course. Thanks in advance. Neil Deshpande ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6464 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . 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