[uucdigest] Sunday, June 15 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6466
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Re: [uuc] WTB E30 325e/i w/ automatic transmission ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 19:49:20 -0700 (PDT) From: david kroth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Dealer Allocation?? I went in to my friendly, local BMW dealer today and said, more or less: "I'd like to buy a 330i with Performance Package, please." He said: "Well, they're sold out for 2003. You can have a 2004, but you'll have to wait for our allocation on that model. Availability is probably sometime in October or later." Great. Me: "What about European Delivery?" Him: "Same deal. You can pick it up in Europe, but it comes out of our allocation, so you'll still have to wait for it to become available." Two questions: 1) Can't a dealer special order a car outside his allocation? I'm gonna want to pick my colors and options anyway. 2) I though European Delivery was outside the scope of dealer allocation. Am I wrong here? ===== David Kroth [EMAIL PROTECTED] __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 19:58:46 -0700 From: "Kjos'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <E34> Touring Information? Also, watch out for the sunroof. If not working properly they can be expensive to repair. Look for fraud(sp?) cords (they break). Also, the '95s had M5 style side pieces below the doors. Looks better than the pre '95 models (too me at least). I saw a local '95 525iTa for sale for $13K a while ago. John Kjos (Portland, OR) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [uuc] <E34> Touring Information? > Load leveling was standard early on then made optional in 1994 or 1995. > Wide kidneys is 1994-1995. The transmission is GM built and has some > issues, as do most BMW automatics. Clean fluid is the best PM. The trans > also shifts way too early and makes the car feel sluggish. A heavy throttle > foot perks things up a bit, but in gentle throttle mode, it is sluggish. > Changing rear shocks is a big pain as a large portion of the interior must > be disassembled. The body structure is noticeably less stiff than the > sedan. Otherwise normal E34 and M50 stuff. > > Gary Derian > > > > Gruppe: > > > > I am contemplating the purchase of an E34 525i > > Touring. Could someone please point me in the > > direction of model year difference, gotchas, etc? Any > > electrical faults that got fixed later, side skirting, > > wider kidneys, interior options, load levelling which > > years, etc., etc. > > > > Any comments on pricing would be welcome. I am > > looking for something cosmetically nice in the sub-10k > > range, with 8k being preferred. Mechanicals are not > > as much of an issue, but should be consistent with age > > and not abused. Mileage should be around 125k or so, > > but less is better of course. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Neil Deshpande > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 23:51:09 -0400 From: Phil Marx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: used BMW option opinions Steve Poland wrote: >Then he mentioned 1.9% money on 2000 or newer CPO's. So we looked at a >2000 323iT 5spd, sport package, CD player, leather, no sunroof or >computer. 36,000 miles, new condition, $26,450. >Maybe doesn't feel quite as nimble, but still very tight, better braking >than my E28 535is with 750front brakes. As I recall, the early E46 got a lot of complaints about numb, excessively light steering which was addressed in a later running change with the retrofit made available at no charge to owners of early cars. You might check on those details and find out if the car you drove had the "update". I believe the change was in effect with April 2001 production. - -Phil ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 23:02:30 -0500 From: "phil irby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Used BMW option opinions <Reply> What's a '99 550i/6? Phil Wondering if there's a model I haven't heard of before? > > Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 19:50:16 -0700 > From: "Kjos'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [uuc] Used BMW option opinions <Reply> > > Steve, > > If you are thinking of the 323iT why not spend a little more (see them > around for about $28K) and get a '01 325iT with 184HP instead of 172HP (if I > recall correctly). A neighbor just upgraded a '99 323i for a '03 325iT and > says the difference in performance is readily apparent. I would think the > resale value would be better also. > > John Kjos (Portland, OR) > '99 550i/6 > '01 525iTa > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 21:16:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] WTB E30 325e/i w/ automatic transmission Brad: Have you tried sketching and explaining the function of the clutch? I always go through the mechanicals of the car with my students and anyone who does not want to listen and learn . . . yes, you guessed it . . . they can find someone else! What of the SO you ask? I tried and failed and have a dent in the passenger door of the 88 iS to show for a rare loss of temper. Then, I decided to send her to a friend. He failed to teach her too. Eventually, she and a girlfriend went to the test together and passed it somehow. Next time I will not even try. Send the SO to someone else, I say! I've seen some friends pull this off very smoothly by stating up front that SO teaching is just a bad idea and that just about anyone else would be better. Neil Deshpande *** Brad Couvillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I freaking TRIED that with Jennifer. Her brain just refused to understand how to work a clutch or anything. She got a little better, but she definitely needs a lot more work. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 23:22:49 -0500 From: Dennis Wynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Dealer Allocation?? Drop Dean Wingard an e-mail and see what he can do for you. He sold me my 330i at a great deal, and just sold my boss a 540i for a little over dealer cost. [EMAIL PROTECTED] By the way, from what I have heard the Euro delivery uses up one of the dealer's slots. I don't know if there are special slots for the PP cars or not - but Dean will know and shoot straight. For both my boss and I he found us a car just like we wanted literally on the boat en route to another dealer and had it diverted to his dealership (Augusta, GA) in no time at all. Dennis 330i At 07:49 PM 6/14/03 -0700, you wrote: >I went in to my friendly, local BMW dealer today >and said, more or less: "I'd like to buy a 330i >with Performance Package, please." > >He said: "Well, they're sold out for 2003. >You can have a 2004, but you'll have to wait for >our allocation on that model. Availability is >probably sometime in October or later." Great. > >Me: "What about European Delivery?" > >Him: "Same deal. You can pick it up in Europe, >but it comes out of our allocation, so you'll >still have to wait for it to become available." > >Two questions: > >1) Can't a dealer special order a car outside >his allocation? I'm gonna want to pick my colors >and options anyway. > >2) I though European Delivery was outside the scope >of dealer allocation. Am I wrong here? > > > >===== >David Kroth >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 21:27:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Couvillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] WTB E30 325e/i w/ automatic transmission Even though we had been together for over 2 years and she had heard me talk about engine this and transmission that, most of this stuff is still Greek to her. All I could do was give a brief rundown of what doing certain things to the pedals would do. She seemed to get more flustered than I did, even though I had owned my 535i for less than a month when I started her lesson!!! She was able to get the car moving without pushing the gas, so I guess all was not lost. The worst part for her was stopping the car and making it do what she wanted it to do (i.e. pressing the clutch when pressing the brake instead of JUST pressing the brake). We should get paid for something like this, but I guess that defeats the purpose of a FREE lesson! :-) Brad - --- Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Brad: > > Have you tried sketching and explaining the function > of the clutch? I always go through the mechanicals > of > the car with my students and anyone who does not > want > to listen and learn . . . yes, you guessed it . . . > they can find someone else! > > What of the SO you ask? I tried and failed and have > a > dent in the passenger door of the 88 iS to show for > a > rare loss of temper. Then, I decided to send her to > a > friend. He failed to teach her too. Eventually, > she > and a girlfriend went to the test together and > passed > it somehow. Next time I will not even try. Send > the > SO to someone else, I say! I've seen some friends > pull this off very smoothly by stating up front that > SO teaching is just a bad idea and that just about > anyone else would be better. > > Neil Deshpande __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 08:28:04 -0400 From: Bill Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Used BMW option opinions <Reply> I some times call my 00 M Geezemobile (E39 M5) a 550is/6 (5L sport model w/6spd). I didn't think there were any 99 US E39 M5's, since IIRC the first ones came to North America in October of 99 as MY2000 cars. Bill Matthews Hockessin DE 00 M Geeze (550is/6 - 12/99 build) some Volvos other cars > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of phil irby > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 12:03 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [uuc] Used BMW option opinions <Reply> > > > What's a '99 550i/6? > > Phil > Wondering if there's a model I haven't heard of before? > > > > > Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 19:50:16 -0700 > > From: "Kjos'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: [uuc] Used BMW option opinions <Reply> > > > > Steve, > > > > If you are thinking of the 323iT why not spend a little more (see them > > around for about $28K) and get a '01 325iT with 184HP instead of 172HP > (if I > > recall correctly). A neighbor just upgraded a '99 323i for a '03 325iT > and > > says the difference in performance is readily apparent. I would think > the > > resale value would be better also. > > > > John Kjos (Portland, OR) > > '99 550i/6 > > '01 525iTa > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 06:51:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <E34> Touring Information? Jeff: Any info on cosmetics other than grille? What about the color-coded plastic side-skirts that appeared on the later E34 cars? Did they appear on the Tourings? Neil Deshpande *** "Pharr, Jeff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'll add several Touring-specific issues to the list: ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 10:14:44 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <E34> Touring Information? Yes, my 1995 Touring has the same side skirts as my 1991 M5. As did all E34s I believe. Gary Derian > Jeff: > > Any info on cosmetics other than grille? What about > the color-coded plastic side-skirts that appeared on > the later E34 cars? Did they appear on the Tourings? > > Neil Deshpande ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 11:26:02 -0400 From: Chris Skene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] WTB E30 325e/i w/ automatic transmission > >I am not a father, though I've probably babysat more >kids than you, but in my experience it is safer to >introduce the manual transmission at the outset. I >have friends who have tried the phased approach and >their daughters have ended up sticking with the >autobox. The only _real_ argument for manual is that >you may need to drive one one day if someone is drunk, >etc., but, frankly, in that case you should probably >spring for a cab. Back in about 1980, I bought a '74 2002 instead of a '76 Rabbit and thought I would join the BMW Club of Canada. I heard they had driving schools. I thought it would be good for my then-girlfriend and me to go to Mosport. She could learn to shift and I could go fast. Neither happened. She didn't enjoy the experience. She told me the only time she had driven a manual box was when she went skydiving in Vancouver with her former boyfriend and he broke his ankle. She had to drive him to the hospital in his Volvo.... She still is afraid of manuals, and skydiving for that matter. I ended up instructing, but not for her. We are still friends, though. - -- Chris Skene For narration and voice-over services, check <http://skene.org/chris> ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6466 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . 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