[uucdigest] Thursday, June 26 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6508
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Send 'em to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |__________________________________________________________________ In this BMW UUC Digest: Re: [uuc] <misc> plug wire prices [uuc] <misc> plug wire prices Re: RE: [uuc] Trophies (was RE: Thanks) [uuc] Re: <misc> plug wire prices [uuc] Wobbly throttles Re: [uuc] Wobbly throttles Re: [uuc] Wobbly throttles [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] plug wire prices Re: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] plug wire prices [uuc] Mini Cooper S driving impressions Re: [uuc] RE: Thanks Re: [uuc] Need glass p/n for Euro headlights ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:23:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] <misc> plug wire prices You forgot the e36 m3: $0. I love my car. Jason - --- John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I got ahold of the price list for Bosch plug wires. > Just for fun I > poked through it to see who has the most expensive > wires. Mostly > unsurprising, but not entirely. > > M5 90-93: $654 > M5,6 87-89: $407 > m30 6series: $386 > m20 3series: $360 > e30 M3: $302 > m20 525: $295 > m30 5,7series: $246 > > Mercedes 6L V12: $738 > Mercedes 5L V8: $458 > Porsche 911 6: $553 > Porsche 928 V8: $363 > Saab v6: $436 > > Isuzu Rodeo & Amigo 2.2L 4: $346 > Mazda RX-7: $13 > > -- > "It is an honor to be Cookie Monster." > -Sesame Street spokeswoman Audrey Shapiro > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:38:39 -0400 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <misc> plug wire prices > I got ahold of the price list for Bosch plug wires. Just for fun I > poked through it to see who has the most expensive wires. Mostly > unsurprising, but not entirely. > M5 90-93: $654 > M5,6 87-89: $407 > m30 6series: $386 > m20 3series: $360 > e30 M3: $302 > m20 525: $295 > m30 5,7series: $246 So much for the theory that everything on the E30 M3 costs three times more than regular E30s. Throw that rule out the window. The E30 M3 wires would be over $1,000. :-) > Mercedes 6L V12: $738 > Mercedes 5L V8: $458 > Porsche 911 6: $553 > Porsche 928 V8: $363 > Saab v6: $436 > Isuzu Rodeo & Amigo 2.2L 4: $346 > Mazda RX-7: $13 Can that be right? $13? Later, Rich - nothing useful to add. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:52:52 -0700 (PDT) From: d seeley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: RE: [uuc] Trophies (was RE: Thanks) I got my first trophy last year in a NASA enduro; it's an... ummm... exuberantly illustrated plaque. When I got it home, I couldn't even bear to put it in the garage. So I sent it to my parents with a sappy note presenting them with my first racing trophy in gratitude for all their support. Moms can display _anything_ their child sends them, right? Donna - -------Original Message------- From: Donn Vickrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Actually, I did get a few nice ones. I once got a set of coffee mugs. And also won two beer steins. The SCCA hats aren't too bad either, although I have enough now. But, those plastic goddesses, those have got to go... Now, this is totally off topic. But, last year I also competed in Tae Kwondo. Those were the most god awful, hideous, and gigantic trophies I've ever seen... :) They are now well hidden in the closet. I have no idea what to do with them. Donn Vickrey Scottsdale, AZ 98 IS/T2 M3 race car 02 996TT daily driver 03 Navigator tow vehicle and tot hauler - -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 11:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] RE: Thanks Donn wrote: >After getting smashed and bashed for Spec RX7 plastic trophies, it'll >be a nice >change of pace. I've got a whole shelf of trophies (hideous looking >and hidden in a closet), and I must have been hit hard at least 20 >times in 5 years to get those silly things. Heh... trophies, at last year's SCCA meeting we were discussing trophies and ideas for them so they could be added to the budget. Someone suggested t-shirts which got turned down real quick! The roadracers especially mentioned their trophies sometimes end up costing 10K for the weekend so they could win and like to have something nice that they can display either at home or work not some stinkin' t-shirt. I have a gazzillion ones from 5 years of regional autoxing which really don't mean much but some of them are really nice, I keep them at work. :-) Carlos 91 M3 (probably 30+ trophies and I have no idea where they are anymore...) 88 iS > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:54:47 -0700 (PDT) From: John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: <misc> plug wire prices On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Dorffer, Rich wrote: > > Isuzu Rodeo & Amigo 2.2L 4: $346 > > Mazda RX-7: $13 > > Can that be right? $13? I'm sure it has to do with the rotary engine and length of wire or something like that. There are lots of plug wire sets that cost very little. I mentioned those 2 simply because of their seemingly incongruous pricing. - -- "It is an honor to be Cookie Monster." -Sesame Street spokeswoman Audrey Shapiro ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:05:24 +0100 From: "Andrew Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Wobbly throttles Neil N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: "I seem to recall reading in my Bentley about removing the gas pedal" You drive a Bentley, Neil? :) A loose throttle pedal is apparently quite serious, though I've never suffered it myself. The accelerator worked a bit loose on my much-missed 318is during the warranty period, and the dealer insisted that he send a flatbed over to pick the car up rather than have me drive it over myself (in the end I drove it after reassuing the dealer that it was only wobbly at the bottom, and not actually flapping about). Apparently a floored throttle, should the pedal break free at the bottom and stick in the carpet, can overcome the return spring and stay floored even when one's foot isn't. Oddly enough that car also had its steering wheel and gearshift replaced during its life with me - that's three out of five primary driver contact points. Andy T '03 318i 2.0 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 18:37:19 -0400 From: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Wobbly throttles Either it was an automatic, or you drove it standing up. - - Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Wobbly throttles > Oddly enough that car also had its steering wheel and gearshift replaced > during its life with me - that's three out of five primary driver contact > points. > > Andy T > '03 318i 2.0 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:51:48 -0500 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Wobbly throttles Or like all of us really fast guys, he never bothered using the brakes... /ducks Eric M. Foster Performify.com Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks wrote: > Either it was an automatic, or you drove it standing up. > > - Rob > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:20:09 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] plug wire prices I can understand the expense of these wires if there were a coil attached for each cylinder. But these prices seem really whacked. Why are they so costly? Are they made from woven gold? Steve In a message dated 6/25/03 3:15:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << From: John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <misc> plug wire prices I got ahold of the price list for Bosch plug wires. Just for fun I poked through it to see who has the most expensive wires. Mostly unsurprising, but not entirely. M5 90-93: $654 M5,6 87-89: $407 m30 6series: $386 m20 3series: $360 e30 M3: $302 m20 525: $295 m30 5,7series: $246 Mercedes 6L V12: $738 Mercedes 5L V8: $458 Porsche 911 6: $553 Porsche 928 V8: $363 Saab v6: $436 Isuzu Rodeo & Amigo 2.2L 4: $346 Mazda RX-7: $13 >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 22:19:34 -0400 (EDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] Re: [uucdigest] plug wire prices >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >I can understand the expense of these wires if there were a coil attached for >each cylinder. But these prices seem really whacked. Why are they so costly? >Are they made from woven gold? >Steve > I'm tellin' ya... hand twisted by little German gnomes. - -- Joe - -- Joseph M. Krzeszewski Network Operations [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack of All Trades, Master of None... Yet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:20:19 -0700 From: Bora Akyol (BMW) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Mini Cooper S driving impressions After owning two Porsche 928s, one E36 M3 set-up for autocross and my current JP E30 M3, last week I purchased a Mini Cooper S. I have to say that next to my race car, this is the most fun car I have ever owned or driven (and believe me I have driven a lot). Here is a point by point analysis: Handling: If I were setting up a car for autocross/open track duty, this is how I would have set it up. Excellent turn in, quick (2.4 turns lock to lock steering) and wonderful throttle steering and grip, lots of grip even with the Pirelli V rated run-flats. I can't wait to get a second set of wheels and get some decent rubber on the car. No brake dive, no acceleration squat and **flat** cornering. Just plain fantastic, much better than any M car I have driven in stock form. I know some people haeve upgraded the rear sway bar and I think I may be tempted to do this too just for fun. But as it came from the factory, it is good to excellent. When the shocks wear out, I will probably swap to adjustable Konis. By the way, there is no torque steer and the grip is very good despite not having a limited slip. I think a JS mini cooper or a JP mini cooper will give the E30 M3 a run for the money and probably be faster than an E36 325/JP. Power: There is enough power but the low end (below 2500 rpm is sort of weak). Thank god, the 6 speed Getrag is easy to shift and the clutch pedal is delightful. The car is also nicely set-up for heel-and toe. Brakes: The brakes seem adequate although I think BMW could have specified a more aggressive compound especially for the fronts. For track, I would definitely get some brake ducting. My car does not have the fog lights so it is perfect for putting ducting in there. Exterior: What can I say, it looks great Interior: I never look at anything but the tach, I think fit and finish is good but not up to BMW standards. I have a rear hatch rattle that should get fixed when I take it in for the oil change. Believe it or not,my almost 6 ft frame fits behind the driver seat adjusted for me. This thing is a marvel of careful engineering. Access to components: Engine bay is tight, some of the hoses etc are easy to access, but the water pump, supercharger and some of the other parts are tough to get at. The ECU can be easily removed for sw upgrades. Aftermarket support: So far so good, still waiting to see when Hawk will release brake pads and when Bilstein will release a nice shock package. Less organized than BMW and no Dinan equivalent place that will back up their products with a factory like warranty. On the plus side, i will be getting the JCW package soon. Lots of cottage industry type shops. Overall, I think the market will improve in two to three years. BMW Snob appeal: Well, BMW owners look at it kind of funny, and I get emails from people saying that MINI is not a BMW. I say drive one then talk. I think next to the E30 M3 (which I own), this is the funnest, best handling car BMW has produced to this date. And on the VIN sticker, it says BMW, so I guess it is a BMW after all. So if you haven't driven one, go drive one, you will most likely end up buying one. By the way, did I say it gets around 28 mpg the way I drive :-) Bora #236 JP E30 M3 BMWCCA/NABR Mini Cooper S, future Mini Spec racer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:25:05 -0700 From: Bora Akyol (BMW) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] RE: Thanks Just come race with us in CA. It is not that long of a tow from Phoenix area. Bora #236 E30 M3 JP. On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 10:33 AM, Donn Vickrey wrote: > P.S. Speaking of winning... It looks like the T2 and IS fields are > pretty > thin on the left coast. So, I'm not likely to have any real stiff > competition. As long as I've got someone to race with (any one turning > similar lap time), in my class or otherwise, I'll have a great time. > After > getting smashed and bashed for Spec RX7 plastic trophies, it'll be a > nice > change of pace. I've got a whole shelf of trophies (hideous looking > and > hidden in a closet), and I must have been hit hard at least 20 times > in 5 > years to get those silly things. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:04:12 -0500 From: "Andy Messer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] Need glass p/n for Euro headlights >I got my replacements from Josh at Eurosport (where I purchased the >original lights). I can dig out the receipt to be sure, but I seem to >recall they were in the $100/each range. Wow, that seems a bit steep. I pretty sure I bought a complete high beam (E-code ellipsoid) for ~$50 from the dealer with CCA discount. I recall pricing the low beams in the same range. I remember deciding the other lights were not pocked enough to justify spending $200 for new lights. Anyone else with Euro ellipsoids notice the vertical white stripes on the inside of the glass? Wonder if that is for alignment during assembly?? According to the ETK, these are the euro ellipsoid part numbers (can't find my receipt to confirm the high beam p/n). 63 12 1 386 407 - high beam insert left 63 12 1 386 408 - high beam insert right 63 12 1 385 633 - lamp lens left - Hella 63 12 1 385 634 - lamp lens right - Hella 63 12 1 386 635 - lamp lens left - Bosch 63 12 1 386 636 - lamp lens right - Bosch It's been about 6 - 8 months, so my memory could be getting foggy, but that's how I remember it. ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6508 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . 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