[uucdigest] Monday, June 30 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6522
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[uuc] Adhesive for door panels ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:40:10 -0400 From: "Binder, Larry - Spine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Change of plans...Maybe a new M3... Thanks Ben, With somewhat of an Engineering background I have to agree with the physics of larger vehicle's (with more mass) being _generally_ safer in an accident than a smaller (less mass) vehicle. Anyone that cannot come to this conclusion on their own probably never will understand it or be convinced. If a Tank hits a Smart car, who wins? With that said, I must admit that I like do like the look of some SUV's. Also, I have had so many times that I purchased something at the store and got it out to my car only to realize that it won't fit. I am not saying that the only reason I want one is because I cannot live without one but it will make many things in my life much easier. Like I said before, I need: Safety, Reliability, Cargo space, ground clearance, Awd and a 3rd row seat wouldn't be bad either. If I could find all of this in a wagon or sedan then that would be great. I don't think I will though. Thanks everyone for your input! Larry - -----Original Message----- From: ben keyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 2:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] Change of plans...Maybe a new M3... Lee wrote: > SUVs are (or used to be anyway) classified as trucks are still. including "trucks" like the Subaru Forester & Chrysler Pacifica & PT Cruiser, which are trucks in gov't definition only. Minivans are also "trucks" for CAFE & safety purposes. > meaning that they aren't subjected to the same government safety > standards as cars. the crash rules are different, but I don't think they're so lax on trucks as to be the root of the problem in poor crash performance in some tests. > I remember reading a couple of years back that it costs Ford more to > make a Taurus (due to the engineering & testing to achieve their great > 5-star safety rating) than either an Explorer or Expedition. there's less overall engineered content (or at least used to be) in an SUV (especially one which shares a huge portion of it's engineering with an F-series or which is an updated older design) as compared to a Taurus, but the safety side of things isn't that huge a factor in the development cost. it's almost impossible to make apples-to-apples comparisons for the development cost of _any_ vehicle as compared to another, even within the same company withint the same timeframe due to the massive number of variables involved. if you start with an SUV & coupe & wagon & hatch & sedan based on the same platform - your Civic example for instance - there may be feature/content based differences which swing the development costs somewhat but the safety standards are not a significant contributor to the differences. > The worst part is the physics involved in an accident. SUVs are > usually built on the chassis of a company's existing vehicle. This > results in SUVs being made out of chassis that were never designed to > carry or manage such weight in a collision. FWIW, I think this is > probably more constrained to the mini-SUVs which are 4000 lb cars > built on a chassis originally designed for a 2600lb Focus or Civic. > SUVs based on light pickups are also suspect. I think you're a bit offbase here. there are no longer any SUV's on the market which are just pick-ups with bodies on them, that's an early-90's situation. in the past decade, lots more money & resources have been put towards development of unique SUV platforms by all of the big 3, with the smaller (lower margin, lower volume) pickups lagging their SUV brothers to market by years. so we have completely purpose-built platforms for Explorers, Trailblazers & the like. the "real" Japanese SUV's - 4Runner/Pathfinder/Rodeo - are body-on-frame truck-based (originally) designs. I don't think you can argue that the car-based mini-SUV's are as much overweight as you think either. a quick search shows that the Escape (based on the old Contour/Mystique/Mondeo platform, not the Focus) is ~3,350, the CR-V (tall Civic) also ~3,350, the RAV4 (Corolla-based) a lightweight at ~2,900 but with the SUV-only Liberty a porky 4,100. it does look like you could push over a CR-V with a strong wind, but that's just because they look so spindly rather than any actual likelihood to tip over. > In your position I would think you can consider some alternatives.... > E class wagon, I think you can even get the 4matic AWD. Does it get > much safer than a Benz? if you don't understand the dynamics of the vehicle (not many people do) and don't drive as if your SUV grants you an exemption from the laws of physics (which many people do), I would argue that a large SUV - Sequoia/Expedition/Navigator/Yukon/Tundra/Land Cruiser - is going to be far safer in an accident than a low to the ground (and thus likely to get smashed by a high-riding SUV) wagon which loses out in many arguments merely by being 1000 or more lbs lighter. not a nice reality, but probably not far from the truth. > Now, if you WANT an SUV, that's a whole different story...... this is the crux of the situation. buy what _you_ (or your wife) want and do it for the criteria which are important to you. if these are perceived or actual fact-based criteria is up to you to decide, just make the most informed decision based on the available information. there's lots of it, just try not to get too caught up in the spin that everyone wants to place on it. if you fear the world & the people in it (with good or bad reasons) then you want the biggest thing you can get & you want to operate it in the most conservative way you can. if you're a bit more trusting (some would say naive) about the world you might be driving around in a sub-3,000 lb vehicle with no airbags & RWD :-) just because I find an X5/ML to be a waste of money, space & resources as compared to the equivalent (and just as roomy in many measures & much better performing) 5'er/E-class wagon doesn't mean I'm going to begrude others they're choice to drive them. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:53:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Jonathan Brush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] <E39 540it> KMS transmission swap Nice photos, Brett, and the car looks great. One question, is the Mtn. Dew stock or part of the upgrade? ;^) http://tinyurl.com/fnq3 Jon __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:02:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Sheppard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Large SUV comment - --0-18493120-1056999739=:48382 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I tried to stay out of this...to the statement below I will just say that I would rather have the smaller vehicle and avoid the incident in the first place with better handling or stand a much better chance of recovering after initial contact. Obviously this can be pushed to extremes, no I would not pick a Yugo on a highway full of H2s. In my opinion (some physics used to form it) a reasonably sized passenger sedan with a reasonably competent driver can avoid/react/recover much more safely than the same driver in a large SUV. My 2 cents. Drew if you don't understand the dynamics of the vehicle (not many people do) and don't drive as if your SUV grants you an exemption from the laws of physics (which many people do), I would argue that a large SUV - Sequoia/Expedition/Navigator/Yukon/Tundra/Land Cruiser - is going to be far safer in an accident than a low to the ground (and thus likely to get smashed by a high-riding SUV) wagon which loses out in many arguments merely by being 1000 or more lbs lighter. not a nice reality, but probably not far from the truth. - --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! 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In my opinion (some physics used to form it) a reasonably sized passenger sedan with a reasonably competent driver can avoid/react/recover much more safely than the same driver in a large SUV.</P> <P>My 2 cents.</P> <P>Drew</P> <P> </P> <P>if you don't understand the dynamics of the vehicle (not many people <BR>do) and<BR>don't drive as if your SUV grants you an exemption from the laws of <BR>physics<BR>(which many people do), I would argue that a large SUV -<BR>Sequoia/Expedition/Navigator/Yukon/Tundra/Land Cruiser - is going to be <BR>far<BR>safer in an accident than a low to the ground (and thus likely to get <BR>smashed by<BR>a high-riding SUV) wagon which loses out in many arguments merely by <BR>being 1000<BR>or more lbs lighter. not a nice reality, but probably not far from the <BR>truth.<BR></P><p><hr SIZE=1> Do you Yahoo!?<br> <a href="http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://rd.yahoo.com/evt=1207/*http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/";>SBC Yahoo! 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Ben might try to get her to go with a used E38 instead... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:20:08 -0700 (PDT) From: david kroth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: 97 M3 Clutch Replacement Paul Craven wrote: > Hi all, > I am planning on doing a clutch job on my 97 M3 this > weekend. ... > I would ask the > collective wisdom for any gotchas or special tools I > should have. Gotcha: The starter. Some starters are threaded and are secured with bolts from the transmission side of the car. Some have clear holes and a nut on the engine side. If you have the nut/bolt its a real pain in the ass. Also, there is an alignment pin in the starter that goes into the transmission. When I did my clutch this pin was well and truly frozen into the transmission. It was a MAJOR pain to break it loose. I ended up driving it out with a 30" drift via the transmission tunnel. Special tool: Go to Sears and get the longest extension they have. It's either 20"or 24". That plus another 8" or 10" extension will be what you need to access the top bolts on the transmission. And a good set of Torx sockets. ===== David Kroth [EMAIL PROTECTED] __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:22:38 -0400 From: "Binder, Larry - Spine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Change of plans...Maybe a new M3... I forgot price. 15-18k. - -----Original Message----- From: ben keyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 3:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [uuc] Change of plans...Maybe a new M3... Larry wrote: > Like I said before, I need : > Safety, Reliability, Cargo space, ground clearance, Awd and a 3rd row > seat wouldn't be bad either. If I could find all of this in a wagon > or sedan then that would be great. I don't think I will though. Turbo Forester. 0-60 in 5.3 seconds, lots of room, will handle really well with a set of real tires, tons more power available if you want it, not too expensive (~$25k) and comes with a manual (if this is important to you/wife). doesn't have the 3rd row tho. my wife would have one, but they don't offer the sunroof package with the manual trans, which is a deal breaker for her. Ben might try to get her to go with a used E38 instead... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:15:18 -0500 From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Adhesive for door panels Hello UUC folk, The passengers side door interior panel insert is delaminating. Does anybody out there have any experience with a adhesive that works well and stays stuck? TIA. 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