[uucdigest] Tuesday, July 1 2003 Volume 03 : Number 6525
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[uuc] Re: change of plans - maybe a new M3 - big windy Re: [uuc] SUVs. Re: [uuc] SUVs. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:14:44 -0700 From: "Scott & Charlotte Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: Brett's Slave (was Employment opportunity at KMS) Brett, I was ready to offer my services, until you got to that "relocate to Cleveland Ohio" part. I'm starting to plot a career change, but it will have to be here in the Bay Area's East Bay region. Otherwise, I'd jump at the opportunity to be your slave. Gald to hear that your business is growing enough for you to have an employee. Scott Miller, Slave Wannabe GGC BMW CCA P.S. This is not WOB. Not even off-topic, AFAIC. >Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:44:17 -0400 >From: "KMS - Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [uuc] <WOB> Employment opportunity at KMS > >KMS has a position available for a general, poorly paid, slave. > >If you have any interest in BMWs, plus are computer literate, and are >willing to relocate to Cleveland Ohio, please contact me for further >information. > >Note that this is an entry level position, you will not be earning $100K in >your first year. If you do, I'll fire you, because I don't make that much. > >Duties would include everything from sweeping the floor to inventory >management. No experience is necessary, enthusiasm is. > >Thanks > >Brett Anderson >KMS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:45:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Couvillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] <WOB> Employment opportunity at KMS You mean you would come and be MY bitch if I just paid for your relocation costs? :-) Shifty - --- KMS - Brett Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hell no! > > You should pay for *my* relocation *to* Louisiana. > I always wanted to live > on the bayou's and kill people for fun....... > > Brett Anderson > KMS __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:48:58 -0700 From: "Chris Marino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] WANTED: NOLOGY WIRES FOR M6 Anyone have a set of Nology wires they'd like to part with for an M6? Chris 88 M6: http://www.inlacal.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:59:53 -0700 From: "Brant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] RE: [uucdigest] V3 #6524 Quote I too am a mechanical engineer, and more mass does not necessarily mean a safer cabin. What matters is how the energy is absorbed and directed around the occupants. Just because you have more mass (SUV) does not mean that the crash energy is dissipated well. In single vehicle accidents all it means is that there is more mass that needs to be slowed down and hence absorbed. Smaller vehicles will also change directions easier. You might get punted in a civic, but that's how the energy is absorbed. Unquote I'm just a ChE; however, I was living in England when one of their members of Parliament collided with an 18-wheeler ("lorry" over there) while driving an original MINI. In the newspaper photos, the front and rear bumpers of the MINI looked to be no more than a couple of feet apart. OK, perhaps a bit more, but not much. The front bumper was in the rear seat leg room. The routing of energy around occupants is important, to be sure. But when a low-mass vehicle collides with a high mass vehicle, the rate of change of speed of the crushing components of the low-mass vehicle are much higher than those of the high-mass vehicle. In the minister's case, the MINI essentially assumed the speed of the lorry. That is, it stopped and reversed directions. It got a lot shorter in the process. The deceleration suffered by the lorry driver was minimal. Brant ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 01:11:01 -0400 From: "Michael Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] E36 325 LSD? A friend has a 94 325i with traction control, plus I have seen a few ads where they stated it. But I am sure his had it, as we went skiing in the car in Vermont and I played with it on the snow covered roads. Actually had more fun doing that than skiing. My ACL agreed after a slight rip in it. Mike - ----- Original Message ----- From: "KMS - Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 7:24 PM Subject: RE: [uuc] E36 325 LSD? > As far as I know, no E36 325s had traction control. That made it into the 3 > series with the 328 in 1996. > > If an E36 had traction control (with the exception of the M3) it did NOT > have an LSD. If an E36 did NOT have traction control, it MIGHT have had an > LSD. > > Only way to know for sure is to pick up the rear end and do a spin test. > > Brett Anderson > KMS > > > > -----Original Message----- > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vernon L. Anderson > > A friend of mine is considering a 325 (i or is) with a sport package for > > some daily driving and autocrossing. Will probably start autocrosssing it > > in DS, then maybe move to STS, STX or DSP. I'm an E36M3 guy, so my > > knowledge of the various E36 325's isn't great. He is looking at > > a late-93 > > to 95 325. A few questions: > > 2. LSD - we were told that some 325's came with a LSD, but they had to be > > without traction control. I wasn't aware any E36 325's had a diff. Any > > ideas? > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 00:14:32 -0500 From: The Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] <WOB> Employment opportunity at KMS Sure Brett, We'll get the Bayou Chapter to sponsor your move south. We need a good BMW shop locally. My wife even speaks Australian! She'll introduce you to the local Oz underground group. Jacob Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 23:45:39 -0400 From: "KMS - Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] <WOB> Employment opportunity at KMS Hell no! You should pay for *my* relocation *to* Louisiana. I always wanted to live on the bayou's and kill people for fun....... Brett Anderson KMS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:50:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Brad Couvillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Heads Up: 10% off Sale at BMP this week Gruppe, Just thought I'd give everyone a heads up in case some of you don't get the BMP updates sent via e-mail. They're offering a 10% off sale on selected items. The important one to me is Redline fluids. The sale is only this week. Shifty __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:27:00 -0700 From: "Kevin Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: change of plans - Non BMWs Larry posted > about looking for a SUV to haul stuff Then Tom wrote: > in the last ten years I've remodeled 5-6 houses and > several dozen apartments and have come to realize > that the best thing to use as a utility vehicle is someone > else's. I agree with Tom about not wanting to haul stuff in your own vehicle. I've got a bunch of moving blankets that I use when I "haul" the muddy mountain bikes in the back of the Range Rover, but if I was tearing the old sheet rock out of a house I would borrow or rent a pickup (I wouldn't want to thrash the British "lightstone leather" interior). If you have room to park more than one car you will probably be a lot happier with a "car" and a "truck" than just a "SUV". A friend just bought a dumpy fixer upper home (in Northern California where $600K only buys you a "dumpy fixer upper") and found a nice Ford pickup (with a lumber rack and plastic bedliner) for around $2K. For less than the cost of most newer SUVs you can buy a nice BMW and a decent truck or SUV. Kevin Kelly I first did the BMW/Truck combo in college when I decided to pass on a nice used E30 323i (that was around $6K) and buy an older E21 323i for $3K and a Toyota 4x4 for $2K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 05:23:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] SUVs. Ben: I would agree with you. I lost a school friend in a road accident on the 18th and she would most likely have been fine in an SUV. If I was buying a car purely for safety for my wife and kid(s) an SUV would be my choice for where I live. As it is, there are several other factors that influence my decision. Driving a 911 like Jack Ryan's ("Patriot Games"?) wife would be pretty cool! Neil Deshpande *** if you don't understand the dynamics of the vehicle (not many people do) and don't drive as if your SUV grants you an exemption from the laws of physics (which many people do), I would argue that a large SUV - - Sequoia/Expedition/Navigator/Yukon/Tundra/Land Cruiser - is going to be far safer in an accident than a low to the ground (and thus likely to get smashed by a high-riding SUV) wagon which loses out in many arguments merely by being 1000 or more lbs lighter. not a nice reality, but probably not far from the truth. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 08:39:24 -0400 From: "Robinson, Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [uuc] Change of plans...Maybe a new M3... > Kevin > > P.S. Echoing what everyone else has said, wagon good, SUV > bad. Hell, my > old Saab 900 Turbo 2-door hatch could carry things my > friend's 2wd Explorer > Sport couldn't. Was better in the snow too. & will carry it for hours on end well past the triple digit mark. Kinda explains the cult following. Unfortunately, the newer Saabs seem to have lost the flat cargo floor from tailgate to front seat thingy.... Lee old 9000 turbo thingy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 05:39:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [uuc] Re: change of plans - maybe a new M3 - big windy Tom: I agree and disagree. I buy cars primarily for how they look to me. General shape, underhood appearance, fit and finish are most important. Funnily enough I've still ended up with an E34, which is a decent car by several other measures as well. I've never felt the need to justify this to anyone. I always openly say I bought it because it looks nice. I buy most things this way and the only reason I have good quality products is because good design and good function are usually pretty closely related, much like 'good' mathematical constructs (Pascal's Triangle, for example) have a beauty to them. Neil Deshpande *** "T WALROD" <> (Can anybody really justify spending more than $1000 on a car? Don't we all just spend more for emotional reasons that we then rationalize as a sop to our manly intellects?) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 07:42:51 -0500 From: "Ben White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] SUVs. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Deshpande" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <snip> ... (which many people do), I would argue that a large SUV > - Sequoia/Expedition/Navigator/Yukon/Tundra/Land > Cruiser - is going to be far safer in an accident than > a low to the ground (and thus likely to get > smashed by a high-riding SUV) wagon which loses out in > many arguments merely by being 1000 or more lbs > lighter. not a nice reality, but probably not far > from the truth. _______________ Neil, Unless the test proceedures have recently been changed, the National Highway Trafic Safety Administration (NHTSA) performs their frontal crash tests with a fixed barrier which does not take into account the differences in vehicle weight. As a result, a small car might score fairly high in the test though not perform well in a frontal crash with a larger vehicle. I agree that occupants of SUVs (or larger vehicles in general) would stand a better chance in a crash than those in a small car. One of these days, let's hope the NHTSA will take this factor into account. As it currently stands, the test results are misleading. Ben White/Ocean Springs, MS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 09:02:59 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [uuc] SUVs. As has been pointed out here, large doesn't mean much at all if you hit a bridge abutment. To survive that, you need excellent crash energy management and crumple zones. Most body on frame vehicles are poor for that. The crumple zone usually ends up being the passenger compartment. Next year's Ford F150 has some nice features to crumple properly. I've seen many crushed pickup trucks and SUVs where the frame completely buckled and left no occupant protection. Due to their high weight in the frame and generally weak roofs, many SUVs have poor rollover protection also. The roof crushes right down, but this doesn't always happen, depending on how it lands. One feature of a high CG vehicle is the ability to roll one over with only two quick steering inputs. Say one gradually drifts off the road and hits the rumble strips, then suddenly jerks the steering too much, then jerks back. With poor driving like that, they roll over without hitting anything. In a car, one must hit something, or at least go off the road sideways to furrow the leading wheels into the ground in order to roll over. On the other hand, when hitting a smaller car, the large weight of an SUV plays to your advantage, even if the structure is poor. Gary Derian > Ben: > > I would agree with you. I lost a school friend in a > road accident on the 18th and she would most likely > have been fine in an SUV. > > If I was buying a car purely for safety for my wife > and kid(s) an SUV would be my choice for where I live. > As it is, there are several other factors that > influence my decision. Driving a 911 like Jack Ryan's > ("Patriot Games"?) wife would be pretty cool! > > Neil Deshpande > > *** > > if you don't understand the dynamics of the vehicle > (not many people do) and don't drive as if your SUV > grants you an exemption from the laws of physics > (which many people do), I would argue that a large SUV > - Sequoia/Expedition/Navigator/Yukon/Tundra/Land > Cruiser - is going to be far safer in an accident than > a low to the ground (and thus likely to get > smashed by a high-riding SUV) wagon which loses out in > many arguments merely by being 1000 or more lbs > lighter. not a nice reality, but probably not far > from the truth. > ------------------------------ End of [uucdigest] V3 #6525 *************************** | | In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. |________________________________________ | Please visit these UUC-approved BMW parts vendors/service providers: | (listed alphabetically) | | Autoscope-Motorsports - http://www.autoscope-motorsports.com | |==================================================== | | Koala MotorSport . 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